Norman Osborne

[TheAmazingSpider-Geek]

If no one knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man in the One More Day retcon-o-verse, then how and why did Norman/Green Goblin select Gwen Stacy to kidnap and bait Spider-Man? If memory serves me right, in the original continuity Norman nabbed Gwen because she was Pete's girlfriend. So he just flew to a random apartment and found Gwen? So Gwen was just a really lucky random choice to kidnap? Then he left a pumpkin bomb behind hoping that by some random chance Spider-Man somehow found it and somehow knew he had kidnapped someone??

And how does the Clone Saga work? If Norman was behind it all wouldn't he have to know who Parker was and what Parker looked like in order for the Clones to look like, well, Peter Parker? (Not to mention wouldn't Ben Reilly know???) And in the story where Norman had Scorpion kidnap Aunt May and bury her if he ever ended up in jail and make Peter break him out to save her...was Aunt May just another really lucky choice of people to kidnap?

How does this "minor change" NOT affect major events as Joe Q claims? Has he lost his mind? Did he ever even read Spider-Man before?

Uggh. The stuff like this is why I think Spider-Man ended at issue 545.

[Karl Cook]

If no one knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man in the One More Day retcon-o-verse, then how and why did Norman/Green Goblin select Gwen Stacy to kidnap and bait Spider-Man? If memory serves me right, in the original continuity Norman nabbed Gwen because she was Pete's girlfriend. So he just flew to a random apartment and found Gwen? So Gwen was just a really lucky random choice to kidnap? Then he left a pumpkin bomb behind hoping that by some random chance Spider-Man somehow found it and somehow knew he had kidnapped someone??

And how does the Clone Saga work? If Norman was behind it all wouldn't he have to know who Parker was and what Parker looked like in order for the Clones to look like, well, Peter Parker? (Not to mention wouldn't Ben Reilly know???) And in the story where Norman had Scorpion kidnap Aunt May and bury her if he ever ended up in jail and make Peter break him out to save her...was Aunt May just another really lucky choice of people to kidnap?

How does this "minor change" NOT affect major events as Joe Q claims? Has he lost his mind? Did he ever even read Spider-Man before?

Uggh. The stuff like this is why I think Spider-Man ended at issue 545.

Yeah, Spider-Man's dead to me too...

[Blader5489]

If no one knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man in the One More Day retcon-o-verse, then how and why did Norman/Green Goblin select Gwen Stacy to kidnap and bait Spider-Man? If memory serves me right, in the original continuity Norman nabbed Gwen because she was Pete's girlfriend. So he just flew to a random apartment and found Gwen? So Gwen was just a really lucky random choice to kidnap? Then he left a pumpkin bomb behind hoping that by some random chance Spider-Man somehow found it and somehow knew he had kidnapped someone??

And how does the Clone Saga work? If Norman was behind it all wouldn't he have to know who Parker was and what Parker looked like in order for the Clones to look like, well, Peter Parker? (Not to mention wouldn't Ben Reilly know???) And in the story where Norman had Scorpion kidnap Aunt May and bury her if he ever ended up in jail and make Peter break him out to save her...was Aunt May just another really lucky choice of people to kidnap?

How does this "minor change" NOT affect major events as Joe Q claims? Has he lost his mind? Did he ever even read Spider-Man before?

Uggh. The stuff like this is why I think Spider-Man ended at issue 545.

Those stories still happened the way you read them. What changed were the memories, not the actual history. So Norman still killed Gwen the way you saw in ASM #121 and Sins Past; it's his memory of the event that changed.

[Joe Acro]

Has it been confirmed that he never knew? It could just be that he just doesn't know now.

[cap5]

thats why im selling my spider-man comics because this recon is a mess
and saying spidys advengers just started with 546

[TheAmazingSpider-Geek]

Those stories still happened the way you read them. What changed were the memories, not the actual history. So Norman still killed Gwen the way you saw in ASM #121 and Sins Past; it's his memory of the event that changed.

Normans memories of every event involving Peter Parker has changed or became fuzzy? Thats a whole lot of fuzzy memories. It's not like he met Parker once and now can't remember his name. So his memory of the events would be something like this:

He kidnapped and killed someones girlfriend, but he can't recall who it was or why, but it might have had something to do with Spider-Man.

He brain washed children of a girl that may or may not have been the girlfriend of his greatest enemy, he can't recall that detail, bore after she had a tryst with him. He told these children that a guy who he can't remember, killed their mother and trained them to kill said person even though he doesn't know who the person was.

He "dies" during a fight with someone he should know but doesn't who was dressed like Spider-Man.

He orchestrated a huge plot to clone a guy he can't remember and is Probably Spider-Man to destroy this unknown persons life.

He captures some guy he used to know and could possibly have been Spider-Man and taunts and tortures him for day trying to get him to become his "son".

He tells Mac Gargan to capture an old lady some how related to a guy he can't remember and use the kidnapping to blackmail this guy into somehow sending Spider-Man to break him out of jail.

and you could go on like this! Don't you think anybody who's memories were this bad would start wondering why every every event involving spider-man was so fuzzy and why they couldn't recall important details about them?

[Blader5489]

Has it been confirmed that he never knew? It could just be that he just doesn't know now.

I think Wacker said something along the lines of, "from this point forward" everyone has forgotten Peter's ID.

Normans memories of every event involving Peter Parker has changed or became fuzzy? Thats a whole lot of fuzzy memories.

Which isn't new for Norman. How many times has the guy had amnesia? ;)

[matthewaos]

Norman didn't have an amnesia after PPSM #75. He had a nervous breakdown after the final chapter, he was also had some hum... delusions when he was fighting Spider-Man in the final chapter.

[Jake V]

There's 2 options here.

First, the status quo pin-up says that no one KNOWS that Peter is Spider-Man, not that no one KNEW he was Spider-Man. Norman might have found out at some point, killed Gwen and then later down the line, had another one of his mental breakdowns and either forgot or convinced himself it wasn't true.

OR, that was a huge oversight in the description of who knows his secret identity, and Norman still knows like he always did.

[hmnut73]

Let me bottom line this for you people.

Joe Q: Yeah everything that happened before did happen, but just forget about it this is how it is now. And anything you don't understand or doesn't make sense "it's magic."

[Stormshadow]

Eh, they'll probably retcon the retcon when all is said and done. Don't get your panties all bunched up yet.

[Reggie]

Normans memories of every event involving Peter Parker has changed or became fuzzy? Thats a whole lot of fuzzy memories. It's not like he met Parker once and now can't remember his name. So his memory of the events would be something like this:

He kidnapped and killed someones girlfriend, but he can't recall who it was or why, but it might have had something to do with Spider-Man.

He brain washed children of a girl that may or may not have been the girlfriend of his greatest enemy, he can't recall that detail, bore after she had a tryst with him. He told these children that a guy who he can't remember, killed their mother and trained them to kill said person even though he doesn't know who the person was.

He "dies" during a fight with someone he should know but doesn't who was dressed like Spider-Man.

He orchestrated a huge plot to clone a guy he can't remember and is Probably Spider-Man to destroy this unknown persons life.

He captures some guy he used to know and could possibly have been Spider-Man and taunts and tortures him for day trying to get him to become his "son".

He tells Mac Gargan to capture an old lady some how related to a guy he can't remember and use the kidnapping to blackmail this guy into somehow sending Spider-Man to break him out of jail.

and you could go on like this! Don't you think anybody who's memories were this bad would start wondering why every every event involving spider-man was so fuzzy and why they couldn't recall important details about them?

This must be the best summary of how full of holes the current memory loss reboot is. It's sad that I had to laugh reading it, but it's just hilarious that this should indeed be his memory.

Anywee, at least Norman is being treated with respect during the CW Thunderbolts run from Warren Ellis (just read that after I read ASM BND) and that sort of salved the wound :P The trade is out now if you havent read it yet - it rocks!

[Iron Syndicate]

I'll just use the Death of Gwen Stacy as an example here -

Norman knows he kidnapped Spider-Man's girlfiriend and flung her off a bridge. He knew Gwen was dating Spider-Man. He knew Spider-Man cared about Gwen.

He just doesn't remember who Spider-Man is anymore.

[carabas]

Also, Quesada left Sins Past in continuity. The Goblin has a reason to go after Gwen Stacy even if he'd never even heard of spider-Man.

[Noronha]

It´s Osborn not Osborne.