Tracking the 52 Earths *SPOILERS*

[Paul Newell]

How about a universe where Superman is the GL of Krypton, Batman is the GL of Earth, Diana is in her Emma Peel version, Flash is Walter West, and... uh...

Well, I'm sure something would be done with Hal Jordan.

So, Earth-22. The Kingdom Come Earth. Did history happen on that Earth so that the events of Kingdom Come already happened, and superheroes just debuted there earlier than they did on New Earth, or is Kingdom Come still in their future? Similar questions could be asked on any earth based on an alternate future or past.

I've been thinking about that and I think we've come across one aspect of this multiverse that is different to the original.

In the original Pre-Crisis multiverse, time was exactly the same, no matter which Earth you visited. If it was 20th December 1975, 3.00pm on Earth-1, then, no matter which Earth you visited, it would be that exact same time and date.

But when Mr. Mind chased Booster, Rip and Danial throughout the 52 universe, they mention that he's not only "eating reality" which caused changes in that Earth's history, but that he was also "eating" time. I think that's caused a change and the 52 Earths don't necessarily operate at the the exact same time or date as New Earth does. So when you travel to Earth-22, then you appear in the "future", even though it's still New Earth's present.

I mean, say it's 20th December 2005, 3.00pm on New Earth, when you travel to Earth-22, You are still in the present, but Earth-22's present is 20th December 2025. You travel to Earth-21 and their present day is 20th December 1965. Maybe the present on Earth 2 and Earth 5 is 1940....Or the 19th Century characters present day is 1890....Does that make any sense?

[Mr.50]

Yup it makes sense and it is a damn good and interesting thought that DC can do tons of different stories with. I like it a lot and sure hope you are correct Paul.

Mr.50

[Jeff O.]

I've been thinking about that and I think we've come across one aspect of this multiverse that is different to the original.

In the original Pre-Crisis multiverse, time was exactly the same, no matter which Earth you visited. If it was 20th December 1975, 3.00pm on Earth-1, then, no matter which Earth you visited, it would be that exact same time and date.

But when Mr. Mind chased Booster, Rip and Danial throughout the 52 universe, they mention that he's not only "eating reality" which caused changes in that Earth's history, but that he was also "eating" time. I think that's caused a change and the 52 Earths don't necessarily operate at the the exact same time or date as New Earth does. So when you travel to Earth-22, then you appear in the "future", even though it's still New Earth's present.

I mean, say it's 20th December 2005, 3.00pm on New Earth, when you travel to Earth-22, You are still in the present, but Earth-22's present is 20th December 2025. You travel to Earth-21 and their present day is 20th December 1965. Maybe the present on Earth 2 and Earth 5 is 1940....Or the 19th Century characters present day is 1890....Does that make any sense?

Your comments, Paul, make me think back to a couple different ways that time was shown to run on pre-Crisis Earth-One. Yes, when Barry Allen first met Jay Garrick, it was 1961 on both Earth-One and Earth-Two. But then when AMERICA VS. THE JUSTICE SOCIETY in the eighties retold the history of the JSA, there was a comment that time may have moved differently or been different on Earth-One. In other words, while it was still 1961 on Earth-Two when the two Flashes met, it might not have literally been 1961 on Earth-One when Barry crossed over. Though not confirmed, it might have been a later date on Earth-One. This is of course because Earth-Two characters aged more or less in real time, and Earth-One characters not so much. In 1985, had it really been 24 years earlier in Barry's life when he first met Jay? It basically still was 24 years earlier in Jay's life when Jay first met Barry. That's why Roy Thomas posited that time may have moved differently on one earth than the other. I'm sorry I can't provide a direct quote from AMERICA VS. THE JUSTICE SOCIETY right now, but that series is currently packed away. This might have been a part of Earth-One's sliding scale, where Superboy's time period was moved from the thirties to the fifties and then sixties to keep the adult Superman young, meaning on some level that the Justice League could no longer have been formed when 1961 came around.

Another way of looking at it was that an Earth-One character like Barry Allen did still debut in the fifties and went on to operate for about thirty years, but that he did so only in some sort of comic-book time. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA (first series) No. 144 had Leaguers in the seventies referring back to the late fifties, even though the heroes didn't look to be almost twenty years older, and on one level Superman was still supposed to be just 29. Likewise, in SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN No. 70 (1963), Superman was honored in a story for having been in Metropolis for 25 years at that point. :)

[Paul Newell]

I'm sorry I can't provide a direct quote from AMERICA VS. THE JUSTICE SOCIETY right now, but that series is currently packed away.

I have 'em in a box right here beside. I'll take a look. :)

Another way of looking at it was that an Earth-One character like Barry Allen did still debut in the fifties and went on to operate for about thirty years, but that he did so only in some sort of comic-book time. JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA (first series) No. 144 had Leaguers in the seventies referring back to the late fifties, even though the heroes didn't look to be almost twenty years older, and on one level Superman was still supposed to be just 29.

Heh. That issue is in the same box and it was always something I found weird about the issue. :)

[Bo-Man]

I'd like to see a modified version of the added Pre- Crisis Earth-D that Marv Wolfman created that had the Justice Alliance of America that had a lot ethenicity to the characters be brought back.

[Dark Ben]

I'd like to see a modified version of the added Pre- Crisis Earth-D that Marv Wolfman created that had the Justice Alliance of America that had a lot ethenicity to the characters be brought back.

Basically that's what DC's trying to do in new earth just take a look
Atom= Asian, Question= Latino (isn't it ?), Blue Beetle=Latino,
Green Arrow Jr.= huh...Human melting pot ^^, J'onn J'onzz= more alien form Firestorm=Black

more seriously wolfman's perfect earth wish seems to have been heard if you refers to the ethnicity, my just complain would be that it's too much in the same time but that's a start

[Bo-Man]

Yeah I had thought about New Earth too with its more ethical look .I just thought how DC could do some type of reimagining with this earth as they are doing with the others.

[Mon-el]

This is posted from this site here according to that Countdown arena arc coming out from Dc.

http://www.dccomics.com/sites/arena/

also seen in this thread here.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=190409

A) Earth-21

Wonder Woman of Earth-21 exists in a time where the Cold War has just ended and a new era of heroism is dawning

B) Earth-34

First seen in Wonder Woman: Amazonia, this Wonder Woman was kidnapped from Paradise Island by Captain Steven Trevor and the Royal Marines before becoming a hero in 19th century London.

C) Earth-18

On Earth-18 Wonder Woman and the JLA are lawmen protecting the Old West. This group of heroes was first seen in Justice Riders.

A) Earth-32

On Earth-32 Bruce Wayne becomes Green Lantern instead of Hal Jordan. This Green Lantern was first seen in Batman: In Darkest Night.

B) Earth-5

First appearing in the pages of Countdown: Arena, this Hal Jordan is the Green Lantern of Shazam's world.

C) Earth-12

Earth-12 is a future world inhabited by a version of Batman beyond anything ever seen. The Green Lantern of this Earth is making his first appearance in Countdown: Arena.

A) Earth-40

This Batman was first seen in JSA: The Liberty Files and hails from a world where it's still 1942 and costumed characters have joined WWII.

B) Earth-19

Originally seen in Batman: Gotham By Gaslight, this Batman hails from the 1880's where his nemesis was Jack The Ripper.

C) Earth-43

From Batman & Dracula: Red Rain this Earth's Batman is no longer human, having been transformed into a vampire.

A) Earth-30

As seen in Superman: Red Son. On this Earth, the ship carrying the infant who would be Superman lands in the midst of the Cold War-era Soviet Union in the 1950s

B) Earth-31

Superman of Earth-31 hails from a darker version of the future as seen in the Superman/Batman series.


C) Earth-15

The heroes of Earth-15 have evolved to become nearly perfect beings. The Superman of this Earth is making his first appearance in the pages of Countdown: Arena

[mistervimes]

A) Earth-21

Wonder Woman of Earth-21 exists in a time where the Cold War has just ended and a new era of heroism is dawning

This appears to be the world of the New Frontier series.

[Mon-el]

This appears to be the world of the New Frontier series.

Yeah, Paul has that one already listed.

Paul also has listed Earth 34, Earth 18, Earth 5


The ones that Paul doesn't have listed are Earth 32, Earth 12. Earth 40, Earth 19, Earth 43, Earth 30, Earth 31, Earth 15,

[mistervimes]

Yeah, Paul has that one already listed.

Paul also has listed Earth 34, Earth 18, Earth 5


The ones that Paul doesn't have listed are Earth 32, Earth 12. Earth 40, Earth 19, Earth 43, Earth 30, Earth 31, Earth 15,

I have failed to be relevant :(

[Mon-el]

I have failed to be relevant :(

Don't worry about it, Mistervines. :)

I'm just kinda shocked that they named 8 Earth's at once through this Countdown Arena(Something I'm not too particurally excited about). I don't even think 52 #52 had that many.

I just checked they only told of 8 of those in that issue.

[Paul Dee]

I know it's early days and everything but why did they get a child to draw those pictures on the Arena pages?

[Paul Newell]

Yeah, Paul has that one already listed.

Paul also has listed Earth 34, Earth 18, Earth 5


The ones that Paul doesn't have listed are Earth 32, Earth 12. Earth 40, Earth 19, Earth 43, Earth 30, Earth 31, Earth 15,

Aded Now and we're past the half way mark! :)

[Paul Newell]

Anyone know who the Superman from Superman/Batman series is? What issues he appeared in? Is it the one where Superman and Batman ruled the world, thanks to the Legion of Super-Villains?

It looks suspiciously like the Superman from Dark Knight Returns...