JLAvengers League: Froggy vs. Schornforce

[Sean Whitmore]

Welcome to another match of the 2007 JLAvengers League! The League is a large-scale series of battles—a tournament—where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match takes place in a different locale from the Marvel or DC Universe. The teams begin 100 yards away from each other. Each character is depicted as they were in the JLA/Avengers mini series (with few exceptions), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so)

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

NOTE - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Froggy: The Flash (Wally West), Hyperion, Coldcast, Lord Zedd, Gladiator, Stargirl, Starbolt

Schornforce : Martian Manhunter, Dr. Doom, Impulse, Agent Smith, Absorbing Man, Circe, Songbird

[Sean Whitmore]

Froggy's strategy:

Alright, so for my strat, I have three amin targets: Impulse, Absorbinig man and Martian Manhunter. Impulse is taken care of by Flash, who could pull a "steal your speed" trick like future bart did in teen titans "the future is now" or if whe ahas to chase bart (who is JUST as fast as him) He can pull the sonic boom punch (cocked back his fist while running and let the gust of wind hit bart in the back) KO'ing him and leaving him out of the match. Martian Manhunter will be attacked by glads and hyperion, two supes class foes (since him Telepathically shutting them down is an option that i can't let him get i'd gladly sacrifice one of them) with both using their atomic vision/heat vision esque powers on the martian, and witht heir emotions fueled towards victory (their NOT getting that artifact!) it'll hurt J'onn pretty bad, possibly leaving him open to a whomping by Gladiator. Doom is dealt with by COldcast causing an EMP throughout Doom's sjuit, which will allow stargirl to use the star rod to toss doom across the museum to the other side, just in time to be fried by some of starbolts.....starbolts hitting him repeatedly until his suit fries (he doesn't die for those thinking I just made starbolt a murderer). Lord Zedd holds off agent smith until Hyperion gets there, and Hyperion overpowers him with his Eternal based strength, crushing his head in. Flash and Gladiator work to take down Circe and absorbing man at the same time, with Flash rubbing the ground at superspeed causing friction and for absorbing man to lose his balance along with Circe, leaving Absorbing man open to a gladiator granted asswhooping, leaving him out cold, while Flash runs around circe at a fast enough speed to have her lose oxygen to the point of unconsciousness, leaving only songbird against my whole team, who's frozen because coldcast slowed her movements, before she gets bowed in the chest by stargirl. HOpe that's a good one

[Sean Whitmore]

Schornforce's strategy:

Froggy has some powerful, powerful folks on his team (hi, Froggy!) and they’re plenty durable, too. This will take some wiles on my team's part.

Phase One:

Right when we teleport in, Circe starts to do whatever it is she does to entrance men. It’s not 100% guaranteed she’ll attract all the men on Froggy’s team, but Martian Manhunter telepathically does his best to assist her. He’ll basically implant extremely heavy suggestions that Circe is someone the guys on Froggy’s team should be ‘interested’ in.

In case anyone tried any immediate attacks, Doom and Songbird will cover/protect the rest of the team with the usual blasts/solid sonic constructs/forcefields.

Impulse immediately does his energy-temporal-clone thing and Agent Smith is on hand to turn those clones into Agent Smiths. This shouldn’t harm Bart or throw him into shock as he’s not killing the clones—he’s transforming them. Also, IIRC, Bart’s clones have nothing to do with his speed force connection, so he should still be able to produce them.

Absorbing Man absorbs the properties of the helicarrier and proceeds to attempt to take over Courtney’s mind. If he cannot do so, he takes the fight to her directly and anything she fires at him, he absorbs and uses against her.

Phase Two:

Circe and J’onn continue to pour on the attraction (upping the ante, if need be). Doom also joins in, by casting spells to seal the opposition’s attraction. The only reason he may not do this is if he must cover his teammates and Songbird isn’t up to doing that solo.

Absorbing Man continues to go after Courtney. He’ll try and absorb the cosmic rod and/or the converter belt and use those powers to try and beat her. If he needs help and if the rest of the team isn’t under any immediate danger, Songbird helps him out.

The Impul-Smiths should be increasing drastically in number.

Phase Three:

Circe, J’onn, and Doom should now have the majority of the opposition under Circe’s control—except for Stargirl, who should be overwhelmed by Amazing Man (and possibly Songbird).

The Impul-Smiths now make their move. There should be a whole mob of them now. They surround any and all opponents and turn them into Smiths, making them no longer our adversaries. When the last one is turned, our team should be victorious.

When the fracas is over, one of the Smiths grabs the Infinity Gems for our team.

Contingencies:

1. If Stargirl takes Absorbing Man out fairly early, then Smith sends some of his clones after her. He’ll also do so to cover Circe, J’onn, and Doom if the opposition is resisting their efforts.

2. If Impulse cannot make his clones for some reason, Smith will go after the enchanted opposition by himself. Bart will be nearby to zip him out of the way if necessary, but hopefully, the enchantment has taken hold and Bart’s intervention will be unnecessary.

3. If Circe’s spell takes time, J’onn will start off with a telepathic attack—he’ll do his best to telepathically scramble everyone’s motor skills for the seconds needed for Circe to start things off.

[Mike Smash!]

In other words...

VS.

[Mike Smash!]

Someone explain to me how this Impulse "clone" thing works. I've never heard about Bart having a power like that.

[Schornforce]

Someone explain to me how this Impulse "clone" thing works. I've never heard about Bart having a power like that.

Bart was hit by a beam of some sort (I remembered it as being Doctor Morlo's beam, but a website I just looked at said it was a future version of Carol who created the beam)-- anyhow, after it hit, Impulse gained the power to create yellow energy clones he called his "scouts."

Bart can create them on whim or they can be induced by others in special instances. The clones have superspeed, can vibrate through things, are composed of yellow energy, and also can travel forwards and backwards in time.

Bart has a connection to these clones, however, as when one 'died' due to Darkseid's omega blasts during "Our Worlds at War," Bart went into shock and stopped being Impulse for awhile.

I don't remember seeing his clones used offensively, but they can annoy, transport objects, and are excellent spies.

I don't know if they are composed of speed force energy-- Wiki says they are, but I don't remember that being said. I do have a contingency plan listed in that case, however.

[Schornforce]

Froggy- I don't think Flash can do all the things you have listed in the Marvel Universe-- he and Bart are both reliant on their backpack dealies for any superspeed.

Also, how will causing friction to the floor cause someone to lose their balance? Won't it just warm the surface and/or hurt Flash? Plus isn't his outfit frictionless? (I just thought of something-- wasn't Wally's suit at this time MADE of speedforce? If that's the case shouldn't he have been nekkid in the MU?)

[Froggy]

Froggy- I don't think Flash can do all the things you have listed in the Marvel Universe-- he and Bart are both reliant on their backpack dealies for any superspeed.

Also, how will causing friction to the floor cause someone to lose their balance? Won't it just warm the surface and/or hurt Flash? Plus isn't his outfit frictionless? (I just thought of something-- wasn't Wally's suit at this time MADE of speedforce? If that's the case shouldn't he have been nekkid in the MU?)

alright, good questions first off

I forgot they were in the MU, I thought ti was the flash museum so that MIGhT put a hamper in my strategy

and the whole causing friction to the floor would be like he was moving it sort of making it softer. It didn't hurt Prof zoom when he pulled it on some criminals in "Return of Barry ALlen" nor has it hurt Jay wally or barry from doing it in terminal velocity. At this time?........I'm not so sure it was made of speedforce, since he had a reg costume in the series, so he's safe there. I still say he could be fast enough to pull off the sonic boom tactic on impulse though, seeingas he was able to breka the sound barrier in the MU as well

[Schornforce]

I guess the friction thing is 'comic book physics' then, because logically, superspeed or no, I don't see how a little friction could soften up the entire floor... But then I also don't see how someone with hyper-super-speed could wear little wings over their ears-- but I digress.

I don't remember what time period JLA/Avengers takes place, but at one time, yes, Wally's costume was made entirely out of speedforce.

Maybe he could pull off a sonic boom attack on Impulse-- if he weren't under Circe's spell. No one attacks Circe or Absorby until later on in your scenario. With Circe trying her enchantment and J'onn doing the wide range mind-trickery, I think we can pull out a win.

Also, Doom's sorcerous defenses and powers may protect him from your team's attacks somewhat. True, the EMP might affect him, if his magic doesn't protect him, that is. Plus Stargirl can't really attack Doom as she's engaged against Absorbing Man or under his control.

Great strat, though, Froggy. :)

Hopefully someone will vote soon.

[Froggy]

I guess the friction thing is 'comic book physics' then, because logically, superspeed or no, I don't see how a little friction could soften up the entire floor... But then I also don't see how someone with hyper-super-speed could wear little wings over their ears-- but I digress.

I don't remember what time period JLA/Avengers takes place, but at one time, yes, Wally's costume was made entirely out of speedforce.

Maybe he could pull off a sonic boom attack on Impulse-- if he weren't under Circe's spell. No one attacks Circe or Absorby until later on in your scenario. With Circe trying her enchantment and J'onn doing the wide range mind-trickery, I think we can pull out a win.

Also, Doom's sorcerous defenses and powers may protect him from your team's attacks somewhat. True, the EMP might affect him, if his magic doesn't protect him, that is. Plus Stargirl can't really attack Doom as she's engaged against Absorbing Man or under his control.

Great strat, though, Froggy. :)

Hopefully someone will vote soon.

basically nailed it on the head. I kind of left real world physics at the door when I read those stories. Good point with Circe, forgot she was all "MEN SHALL BE ENTHRALLED"


I'm sure the emp could affect doom but not in a wholly damaging manner, just a slowdown, hopefully

and someone will prob vote like......an hour from now,watch

[Schornforce]

How dare anyone use comic book physics in a battle between two comic book characters in a comic book setting on a comic book message board. :p

I'm kidding of course.

Yeah, Doom will be slowed, but his spellcasting prowess won't be affected. Plus, his suit will probably repair itself (if fully effected) in a bit of time). It should be noted, however, that Doom will likely pause to go, "What is this?!! Who DARES to ensnare Doom? Fools! Did you not think.... blahblahblah."

If nobody votes-- we BOTH win and then we get to team up and dominate the rest of the teams, right? :D

[Froggy]

How dare anyone use comic book physics in a battle between two comic book characters in a comic book setting on a comic book message board. :p

I'm kidding of course.

Yeah, Doom will be slowed, but his spellcasting prowess won't be affected. Plus, his suit will probably repair itself (if fully effected) in a bit of time). It should be noted, however, that Doom will likely pause to go, "What is this?!! Who DARES to ensnare Doom? Fools! Did you not think.... blahblahblah."

If nobody votes-- we BOTH win and then we get to team up and dominate the rest of the teams, right? :D

excellleeeeeeeeeeent

[Mike Smash!]

Okay, how many of these Speed Force drones have we seen Bart make at once before?

And what do you hope will be the result of this "entrallment" spell? That they'll simply stare at Circe with their jaws hanging open or that they'd fight each other to get her or that they'd try to defend her from attack?

[Froggy]

Okay, how many of these Speed Force drones have we seen Bart make at once before?

And what do you hope will be the result of this "entrallment" spell? That they'll simply stare at Circe with their jaws hanging open or that they'd fight each other to get her or that they'd try to defend her from attack?

most i've seen him make is like, 8-10

[Schornforce]

Okay, how many of these Speed Force drones have we seen Bart make at once before?

And what do you hope will be the result of this "entrallment" spell? That they'll simply stare at Circe with their jaws hanging open or that they'd fight each other to get her or that they'd try to defend her from attack?

I never counted, to be honest. I'll take Froggy's word for it-- 8 to 10 or so. However, Bedlam once forced Bart to make tons of clones to do his (Bedlam's) bidding in a Young Justice story, IIRC.

Even if it's 8-10 that would be a good increase of Smiths to get to work.

I expect at first to simply stun the opponents, keeping them from attacking, as all eyes would be on Circe (alone, I said this wasn't 100% foolproof). When J'onn and eventually Doom join in, however, Froggy's team should hopefully be immobilized and utterly captivated by Circe's presence.

That's my plan, anyhow.