X-Men: Messiah Complex - General Discussion (with Spoilers)

**Omega Alpha** · 09-25-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by frog

Wolverine may be immortal but he still can be defeated. I don't get this insistence that some characters are invincible.

You really have not got my point.

**frog** · 09-25-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Omega Alpha

You really have not got my point.

Well then, what is your point?

**Omega Alpha** · 09-25-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by frog

Well then, what is your point?

That the mere suggestion that Wolverine will betray the X-men, even as a shock-value thing, is laughable and Marvel would be more willing to make the entire X-men, or at least 99% of the members, look bad and side with Sinister than have Wolverine backstab them or do something that makes him look like a bastard.

**frog** · 09-25-2007, 08:14 PM

Wolverine has been mind-controlled into fighting the X-Men before. Why do you think it can't happen now?

**Monty_Cristo** · 09-25-2007, 08:15 PM

i hate the Purifiers. why can't they bring back Graydon Creed and his Friends of Humanity?

**Omega Alpha** · 09-25-2007, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by frog

Wolverine has been mind-controlled into fighting the X-Men before. Why do you think it can't happen now?

If he's mind-controlled, then he's not betraying anyone. Not to mention there are writers good enough working on this to either not pull the mind-control trick. I mean, together they have written how much, 100 issues of X-books (?) and the only one that pulled a mind-control was Carey, and still not in one of the usual big players for shock value (and technically, wasn't mind-control either).

**Canemacar** · 09-26-2007, 04:59 AM

Omega's right: without some kind of deus ex machina way of absolving guilt(mind control, it was a clone all along, etc) theres is a 0% chance Wolverine will be on the wrong side. They aren't even letting Gambit, a known traitor and far less valuable character, actually do anything that truely counts as betrayal or even villainous.

**Brian M.** · 09-26-2007, 06:11 AM

I think the big betrayal is Cable. He's the one who Cyclops finds out has kidnapped the baby. Then it's on, time for Cyclops to spank Cable for being a bad bad son.

**Karl H** · 09-26-2007, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Brian Moranor

I think the big betrayal is Cable. He's the one who Cyclops finds out has kidnapped the baby. Then it's on, time for Cyclops to spank Cable for being a bad bad son.

So do you think he faked his own death and had his own agenda all along?

Is he working with Sinister?

Is he ANOTHER traitor on Rogue's team? It did seem kinda convenient how he just turned up like that against the Children of the Vault.

**Brian M.** · 09-26-2007, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by melonhead

So do you think he faked his own death and had his own agenda all along?

Is he working with Sinister?

Is he ANOTHER traitor on Rogue's team? It did seem kinda convenient how he just turned up like that against the Children of the Vault.

No, but I think that code word Gambit and Sunfire said to him has something to do with. We've not gotten a clear explantation as to what that meant. I think the computer told Cable what it meant, b/c remember he asked his computer what it meant right before he died. I think he's a traitor in a sense as he's working against he X-Men, but not necessarily a villian.

**Karl H** · 09-26-2007, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Brian Moranor

No, but I think that code word Gambit and Sunfire said to him has something to do with. We've not gotten a clear explantation as to what that meant. I think the computer told Cable what it meant, b/c remember he asked his computer what it meant right before he died. I think he's a traitor in a sense as he's working against he X-Men, but not necessarily a villian.

Yeah. That was where I was kinda going too.

**Erik Lehnsherr** · 09-26-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by melonhead

So do you think he faked his own death and had his own agenda all along?

Is he working with Sinister?

Is he ANOTHER traitor on Rogue's team? It did seem kinda convenient how he just turned up like that against the Children of the Vault.

Well Sinister is Cable's "grandfather" in every way that matters..since if not for him, he couldn't exist but they've never been close. Sinister has always ordered him around while Cable has never really stood up to him like he has Apocalypse and everyone else. Why would Cable betray the X-Men? Where's the sense in that? Unless..Sinister forced him to leave.

**CBR News** · 09-26-2007, 02:14 PM

Ed Brubaker, Mike Carey, Peter David, Craig Kyle and Chris Yost join editors Axel Alonso and Nick Lowe to speak to CBR News in-depth about “Messiah CompleX,” and reveal some ominous details.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...m.cgi?id=11967