FLASH REBIRTH: The return of Barry Allen *SPOILERS*

[DonEMC]

I thought this thread was about Barry Allen and the Flash situation. How come most of the threads on the last couple of pages are about Kyle and Hal and Heat. Shouldn't you guys set up a separate thread for this. I'll throw my 2 cents in though... H.E.A.T got what they wanted. You can bitch about them all you want, but they won the game

Thank you very much, Barryallenfan. HEAT did get the win. Score one for HEAT, none for the HEAT haters.
Back to the topic at hand, I'd be more than happy with Wally, if, like I said before, every Flash story didn't somehow flash back to Uncle Barry or talk about how Barry was the GREATEST FLASH OF ALL TIME.
That's the problem with ALL of the writers of the Wally West Flash ... they simply wouldn't let Barry rest in peace.
So, all the haters need to blame the Flash writers of the past 20 years for keeping Barry Allen alive. Because, after all, this is comic books and not real life, and they could have very well have forgotten about Barry Allen and left him in his grave, rather than keeping him, through his memory, alive and well (which, in turn, has made Wally second best, even in Wally's mind and the minds of the writers).

[DonEMC]

Ross is another crybaby in serious need of maturation. I usually like his work, but if he had his way, the DCU would be exactly like the Superfriends.



HEAT (Hal's Extremely Asinine Team) was on DC's radar, sadly, but you're right that years of poor writing is what eventually led to Kyle's replacement.



Amen.



I agree that the Hal Jordan crybabies had a hand in his return, but it wasn't just the dullards from HEAT, it was all of them who've been whining collectively for years.



Many years ago, Ron Marz did an interview with Wizard magazine where he commented on HEAT members calling for his firing. He said Hal's villainous turn wasn't his idea and had he not accepted the assignment, DC editorial would've found someone else for the gig, so he was only doing his job as a writer. He said he understood why fans were mad, but that they took it too far.

Man, it sounds like you've got some real issues with HEAT that need to be resolved. Maybe you're taking comic books a little too seriously for your own good.
And the whining by the HEAT "dullards" (they don't seem like dullards to me, since they won and people like you are losers) brought back GOOD stories to Green Lantern. Kyle's stories had gotten so lame and boring. He had no direction.
Much like the last run by Mark Waid on the Flash, which Tom Peyer is trying his best to work through (Flash 241 and 242 weren't totally awful and I think Peyer's story will wrap up good in the next issue).
And, you know what, Alex Ross sells comics and him being a crybaby may have been the cause of DC doing the really good Justice series that was recently collected into a few hardcover volumes. I thought it was a good series and it was like I was reading a Super Friends adventure -- but with Alex Ross art.
C'mon, why be so miserable in your life, as it appears you are? I'm all for good stories, whether it be with Kyle or Hal, Barry or Wally -- or even Bart (I've been rereading the Bart stories to see if they were as bad as I initially thought and they weren't terrible, but now that I look back on it, it appears that there was no direction to start with and it was getting worse, so DC brought in Guggenheim to wrap things up).
Now, like Barryallenfan said in the previous post: Why are we talking about Hal Jordan and Kyle Rainer? This is a Flash thread!

[Raker616]

This is why it's hard to take the anti-HEAT people seriously they accuse HEAT of being crybabies and complainers yet they turn around and do the exact same thing.

[justcrash]

Maybe you're taking comic books a little too seriously for your own good.

Quoted for irony. :)

[dancj]

I'll throw my 2 cents in though... H.E.A.T got what they wanted. You can bitch about them all you want, but they won the game

I guess - in the same way that if you throw a ball up in the air and then demand that it comes back down again you've commanded the laws of gravity.

[barryallenfan]

I guess - in the same way that if you throw a ball up in the air and then demand that it comes back down again you've commanded the laws of gravity.

good one..lol

[Hush Little Batman]

Maybe you're taking comic books a little too seriously for your own good.

On the contrary, I enjoy comics for what they are - a wonderful medium where stories too grand, expensive or original for other mediums can be expressed. I do not whine or complain if my favorite character is killed, replaced or grows beyond its original creation. I do not create groups dedicated to getting back my fictional childhood hero and I don't cast my personal faults onto others via message boards.

And the whining by the HEAT "dullards" (they don't seem like dullards to me, since they won and people like you are losers) brought back GOOD stories to Green Lantern. Kyle's stories had gotten so lame and boring. He had no direction.

That is the fault of the writing; not the character.

And, you know what, Alex Ross sells comics and him being a crybaby may have been the cause of DC doing the really good Justice series that was recently collected into a few hardcover volumes. I thought it was a good series and it was like I was reading a Super Friends adventure -- but with Alex Ross art.

I will agree that Ross sells comics and, as I stated before, I usually enjoy his work, but whether or not the series was good is subjective to the individual.

C'mon, why be so miserable in your life, as it appears you are?

Along with calling me a loser above, this remark has no place in civilized discussion. This is your second, and final, warning. Insult me, or anyone else, again, and I will report you to the mods.

I believe you stated that you're 36 years old. Begin acting like it and conduct yourself in a mature manner. If the only way you know how to debate is ad hominem, then take a break from the thread. Your insults are nothing but words on a message board and says nothing about the person you're slinging it at, and everything about you.

Now, like Barryallenfan said in the previous post: Why are we talking about Hal Jordan and Kyle Rainer? This is a Flash thread!

I thought this thread was about Barry Allen and the Flash situation. How come most of the threads on the last couple of pages are about Kyle and Hal and Heat. Shouldn't you guys set up a separate thread for this.

barryallenfan, it was you who indirectly brought them into the thread when you posted a link to that column by Steven Grant where he talked about Kyle and Hal. See...

Here's a pretty interesting article Frm CBR
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=17158

Obviously, the people who read it remarked on what he wrote and that's how the thread ended up where it is now.

This is why it's hard to take the anti-HEAT people seriously they accuse HEAT of being crybabies and complainers yet they turn around and do the exact same thing.

Except that the members of HEAT aren't fictional characters in a book. They're real people who couldn't handle life, so they decided to harassed other real people until they got what they wanted, which included calling for a professional writer and editor to be fired. Any sensible human being would find fault with their actions over the years.

[Darrell D.]

This is why it's hard to take the anti-HEAT people seriously they accuse HEAT of being crybabies and complainers yet they turn around and do the exact same thing.

Have you ever been in a department store and walk by the toy department and see some kid on the floor, screaming and crying because the kid wanted something so bad and the mother told the kid, 'No?' Other shoppers stop and watch this spectacle, while the mother looks very embarrassed, trying to get the kid off the floor and out of the store.
That's what HEAT reminded me of.

[DonEMC]

On the contrary, I enjoy comics for what they are - a wonderful medium where stories too grand, expensive or original for other mediums can be expressed. I do not whine or complain if my favorite character is killed, replaced or grows beyond its original creation. I do not create groups dedicated to getting back my fictional childhood hero and I don't cast my personal faults onto others via message boards.



That is the fault of the writing; not the character.



I will agree that Ross sells comics and, as I stated before, I usually enjoy his work, but whether or not the series was good is subjective to the individual.



Along with calling me a loser above, this remark has no place in civilized discussion. This is your second, and final, warning. Insult me, or anyone else, again, and I will report you to the mods.

I believe you stated that you're 36 years old. Begin acting like it and conduct yourself in a mature manner. If the only way you know how to debate is ad hominem, then take a break from the thread. Your insults are nothing but words on a message board and says nothing about the person you're slinging it at, and everything about you.





barryallenfan, it was you who indirectly brought them into the thread when you posted a link to that column by Steven Grant where he talked about Kyle and Hal. See...



Obviously, the people who read it remarked on what he wrote and that's how the thread ended up where it is now.



Except that the members of HEAT aren't fictional characters in a book. They're real people who couldn't handle life, so they decided to harassed other real people until they got what they wanted, which included calling for a professional writer and editor to be fired. Any sensible human being would find fault with their actions over the years.

Okay, to clear things up, I never meant to call YOU, personally, a loser. I meant to say "the losers" instead of losers.
HEAT = The Winners, anti-HEAT = The Losers, like a game of basketball, where there are winners and losers and, in this case, I thought that comment was merrited since HEAT did succeed in getting Hal reinstated at Green Lantern, thus making them winners and the anti-HEAT people the losers.
See, it's not all that bad.
Also, I was merely commenting on how angry you seem to be toward all the Barry Allen fans. I'm hoping you will lighten up a little bit and enjoy the thread, instead of trying to put all of us Barry Allen fans down with your snide comments.
I never referred to anyone as "dullards" or "crybabies" or "whiners" or anything of that sort.
If you check my posts, I've never referred to anyone or anything as a particular name, other than the ones you are all called on here, so I've committed no wrong.
You take things way too seriously and start threatening me with the mods and that's just not cool.
Sounds like that's a tactic you have been railing against ... "Whaaaaa! I'm going to tell the mods because you hurted my feelings!" in comparison to HEAT crying about Hal being killed? Seems like the pot calling the kettle black, there, Hush Little Batman...
Again, I never meant to call YOU, personally, a loser. I was only referring to the situation in a game sense. Being a sports fan (see, I've got a life outside of reading comics), I use phrases and terms like that all the time. If you don't win something, you lose. Thus, the term "losers." Not anything pointed directly at you. But, it was the HEAT people who won and your side that lost.

[Vlad]

Although the final of this story is cast in stone, I hope Wally maintains his mantel as the Flash for quite some time.

The current arc is wonderful, and I find myself anxiously anticipating arrival of the next issue.

If Barry does come back I will receive him with an open wallet, and certainly give him a fair shake, and at least 12 dollars. It would be interesting to see how he is written in today's non silver age standard. I hope if this is the case Wally survives,a and either takes up a new namesake, or retires with his family.

[barryallenfan]

On the contrary, I enjoy comics for what they are - a wonderful medium where stories too grand, expensive or original for other mediums can be expressed. I do not whine or complain if my favorite character is killed, replaced or grows beyond its original creation. I do not create groups dedicated to getting back my fictional childhood hero and I don't cast my personal faults onto others via message boards.



That is the fault of the writing; not the character.



I will agree that Ross sells comics and, as I stated before, I usually enjoy his work, but whether or not the series was good is subjective to the individual.



Along with calling me a loser above, this remark has no place in civilized discussion. This is your second, and final, warning. Insult me, or anyone else, again, and I will report you to the mods.

I believe you stated that you're 36 years old. Begin acting like it and conduct yourself in a mature manner. If the only way you know how to debate is ad hominem, then take a break from the thread. Your insults are nothing but words on a message board and says nothing about the person you're slinging it at, and everything about you.





barryallenfan, it was you who indirectly brought them into the thread when you posted a link to that column by Steven Grant where he talked about Kyle and Hal. See...



Obviously, the people who read it remarked on what he wrote and that's how the thread ended up where it is now.



Except that the members of HEAT aren't fictional characters in a book. They're real people who couldn't handle life, so they decided to harassed other real people until they got what they wanted, which included calling for a professional writer and editor to be fired. Any sensible human being would find fault with their actions over the years.

you're right, I did indirectly bring them in. I thought it was an interesting article. Little did I know it would go on for pages...sorry guys..I really didn't intend that

[carabas]

HEAT did succeed in getting Hal reinstated at Green Lantern, thus making them winners and the anti-HEAT people the losers.
See, it's not all that bad.

I think to be able to rightfully claim this, you have to provide some proof that HEAT's making an ass of itself and the reinstatement of Hal Jordan are linked. Far lesser characters have made the jump from death to redemption in a whole lot less time than Hal Jordan did, without the help of a nerdrage pep squadron.

[Hush Little Batman]

DonEMC,

Just behave yourself or your posts will be reported. Got it? Good.

End of discussion.

you're right, I did indirectly bring them in. I thought it was an interesting article. Little did I know it would go on for pages...sorry guys..I really didn't intend that

There's nothing to apologize for. You posted a link to a column that was relevant to what we discussing at the time (Titular characters being replaced). It added to the thread and gave us more to talk about. No harm done.

[CBR News]

Announced today at Comic-Con International, the superstar writer and fan favorite artist Ethan Van Sciver are teaming up for the five-issue miniseries, "The Flash: Rebirth." Their goal is simple: Do for Flash what they did for Green Lantern - make him a pillar of DCU.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17385

[xgeek52]

i'm the first one out the gate...

i don't fraking believe it...

they shouldn't have done lantern and they shouldn't have done this...

'nuf said...