Ernst is not Cassandra Nova

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

During the end of Morrison's Run Nova told Martha she could call her "Ernst" and this lead everyone to believe that Nova had been Ernst the entire time, but that doesn't make sense.

If the X-Men knew she was Ernst wouldn't they have freaked out when Ernst joined Xorn/Magneto's Brotherhood? Nova+Magneto wouldn't have been good at all

And then after Morrison when the Mansion was destroyed Beast and Cyclops freaked out that Nova wasn't in the basement anymore.....but if she had been Ernst she never would've even been in the basement at all

So i think either:

#1 Nova at the end of "here comes tomorrow" was Nova inside of Ernst the way she tried to get into Hisako, or;

#2 Martha was semi-altzheimerish and just thought Nova was ernst b/c they're both old ladies


(you have to remember that Nova's body was destroyed by the nanites she injected into herself. The mansion was destroyed while ernst was part of Magneto's team (so nova being in the basement AND in the Brotherhood would've been impossible)


I think Ernst was just meant to be a little mutant girl who's power was physically to look old

[Sentinel K]

Morrison said in an interview that Ernst was Nova.

I believe him.

Cos he wrote it.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

From reading the issues.....it doesn't make sense....wether that's what he intended or not...there are things that don't fit

And interviews can be faked ;)

[Beast]

We don't know that for sure yet. Ernst looks just like the child-like version of Cassandra Nova being mentally re-educated by simulacra of Xavier and Jean on the mental plane after she was defeated. We know now that Cassie/Stuff has been being kept in that box in the basement, but there are still ways to explain Ernst. Such as her being a portion of Stuff that was seperated from the main body to rehabilitate Cassandra Nova. Or she was a psychic projection of Martha, who was assisting Xavier and Jean in Cassandra Nova's rehab. Or much like how Emma had a portion of Cassie in her head, so does Ernst. There are certainly still questions, and even Marvel isn't sure to the answer. The last handbook that featured Ernst suggested that there was some connection.

[Affinity]

I wish this could be explained. Ernst showed up in the 198 Files aaaaaaand in New X-Men, Emma allowing her to be exempt from that massive New X-Men team-choosing battle.

Maybe someone like Carey can try and explain her. Or maybe just let her drift around? It's a little too convoluted for me.

[Beast]

Agreed, Affinity. She needs to be explained or at least dealt with. Like you, I figured Whedon was going to explain the connection when we saw Emma purposefully exempt her from the New X-Men battle. Who else was in the exempt group? I know Nehzno was. But wasn't there two others? Maybe Martha and...?

[Pach!]

Agreed, Affinity. She needs to be explained or at least dealt with. Like you, I figured Whedon was going to explain the connection when we saw Emma purposefully exempt her from the New X-Men battle. Who else was in the exempt group? I know Nehzno was. But wasn't there two others? Maybe Martha and...?

Laurie wasn't in the fight either.

[Affinity]

Wallflower, Blindfold, Ernst, and Nezhno.

You're right, though, you'd think the specific mention of her implied something.

I remember totally loving the way Jiminez drew her!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?

And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"


like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense

[Jake V]

As of right now, it appears Ernst isn't Cassandra Nova.

When Morrison was writing the book, she definitely was. While no, he never came right out and said they were the same character, all the clues were right there for the readers who bothered to pay attention.

[Affinity]

Hee! So cute.

[Beast]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?

And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"

like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense

Who said they did. Ernst could be a seperate chunk of Stuff. A portion that was seperated so that Cassie could interact with people. We saw the large Cassie/Stuff monster and Cassie/Ernst as seperate beings in Cassandra/Stuff's mind. Or as I said above, maybe she's something else. A psychic projection via Martha or tendrils of Cassandra Nova in someone else's body. Much like with her tendrils in Emma or in Armor right now.

Why? From what we saw in Planet X, Here Comes Tommorow, and Bright New Mourning, the only people who seem to be aware that Ernst was Cassie is Xavier, Jean, and Martha. One who left the school, one who was dead, and one who was Ernst's friend. If Xavier, Jean, and Martha were trying to rehabilitate Cassie, they might not have told anyone who she really was. Xorn certainly didn't know who she was, as was noted by his dialogue.

It makes as much sense as anything in comic books.

[Jake V]

But if Nova is Ernst....who deconstructed her from the Ernst form back into Stuff (since her body IS dead) and then stuffed her in an X-men proof box?

Whedon screwed up. He never payed attention to the stories Morrison wrote that he claimed to be such a fan of.

And if Nova really is Ernst wouldn't they be, I dunno a lil more cautious/suspicious of her? Or at least verbally acknowledge "Ernst is cassandra nova"

They didn't know. The only ones who knew were Professor X and Jean Grey, because they're the ones who reprogrammed Stuff when Cassandra was inside her.

like I said before...it doesn't make too much sense

It makes perfect sense if you pay attention to the story.

[Affinity]

True, when I was looking at those Planet X issues, Ernst talks like a little child. She refers to Xorn as "Mister Xorn" and doesn't comprehend Xorn being Magneto all along (at the time, lolololol.)

[Jake V]

True, when I was looking at those Planet X issues, Ernst talks like a little child. She refers to Xorn as "Mister Xorn" and doesn't comprehend Xorn being Magneto all along (at the time, lolololol.)

Well, yeah. They reduced Cassandra's mind to "the status of a pocket calculator" and programmed her to learn.

She wouldn't have the vast psychic powers that Cassandra did.