End of Ultimate Universe?

[colossus34]

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http://comics.ign.com/articles/777/777482p1.html

[Omega Alpha]

Non-sense. UFF is still great, and better than USM, which IGN fell in love during The Clone Saga for no reason, and those are the guys who are saying Brubaker's work on DD and Planet Hulk suck. Fire Kirkman from Ult. X, since he is the responsable for making it bad, and have Ultimates on time that the line will be great again.

[Richard Bastard]

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bah. screw them. my kids love the ultimate titles and so do I... so all the new concepts work? no (I'm thinking Green Goblin as a hulk, for example), but its a lot of fun NOT knowing where things are going. I say the stories are still a HECK of a lot better than most of what's going on in the 616 universe. Although X-Men is kicking some ass... not as much as during Grant Morrison's run, mind you... and, speaking of which, is anyone just as upset as me they just... DITCHED all of his concepts, either by retconning or House Of M style shenanigans? I thought they were all brilliant takes on the old X-History... I mean, c'man, nano-sentinals? nice! Weapon X meaning Weapon "TEN", not x as in x-gene? awesome!

[XPac]

I'll split the difference.

Ultimate Spider-Man is still a lot of fun.

And I like the Ultimates a lot (when they actually bother publishing it).

But Ultimate Fantastic Four JUST recently has lost some of my interest (I did enjoy Millars stuff). And I haven't been into Ultimate X-Men in a while.

I do think the Ultimate universe needs an injection of something. It's not dead, but the core 616 universe is coming off far more compelling these days and it could use a shot of adrenaline to continue to justify some of it's existance.

[Sparda]

Ultimate FF has been crappy lately along with Ult X-Men. The guy is wrong about the complaining bit about the Galactic or some villians being too different. I like the universes being different, and I don't mind the long continuities the 4 titles got. Also disagree on cancelling the Ultimate universe as well. The 2 failing books just need a good writing/artist team to bring it back from the ashes as well as Ultimates needing to be released on time.

I do agree that Ultimate Spider-man has been the reason why the universe is even around period (it's areally fun book. If I had a huge stack of my pulls for the month, I'd most likely read Ultimate spider-man first).

The universe has been failing lately but it can be fixed though. I just think that just cancelling the universe is going to far. And if it did get cancelled than Marvel should be smart enough to keep Ultimate Spider-man (love that series).

[Lukabratzi V2.0]

Steve Rogers lives on in the ultimate universe.

Need I give another reason to keep it?

[scottv]

I think that it would be stupid to end the Ultimate line because although they weren't all number one they are still good books. If anything I think they should add a couple more series. I think that a lot of the stories are getting old because they are running out of characters. I think that there should be an ongoing Cap America series. I think that the Iron Man series should continue as well. Maybe an Ultimate Daredevil, Ultimate Inhumans, or Ultimate Wolverine.

[lament]

I do think the Ultimate universe needs an injection of something. It's not dead, but the core 616 universe is coming off far more compelling these days and it could use a shot of adrenaline to continue to justify some of it's existance.

I agree. I love the Ultimate Universe and the fresh possibilities it provides. But at the same time, I think maybe they need to take more risks in some of the books. Take Ultimate X-Men for example. To me, it seems like the team has been becoming more and more like the 616 version. They had some interesting things going in Dazzler and the Gambit-powered Rogue. So what happens? Dazzler leaves, and Rogue deevolves back into a character who's interested in a boy (this time Bobby instead of Gambit) but can't touch him. Ho-hum.

Don't get me wrong. There are some interesting things going on. I'd just like to see more of a divergence from the 616 Universe.

The Ultimates is pretty great, though.

[Brian R]

Honestly, I used to hate the whole concept of the Ultimate Universe, but it grew on me and now I actually like it. However, I think everyone needs to realize that it won't last forever, that would defeat the whole point.

[rwsmith]

I'll split the difference.

Ultimate Spider-Man is still a lot of fun.

And I like the Ultimates a lot (when they actually bother publishing it).

But Ultimate Fantastic Four JUST recently has lost some of my interest (I did enjoy Millars stuff). And I haven't been into Ultimate X-Men in a while.

I do think the Ultimate universe needs an injection of something. It's not dead, but the core 616 universe is coming off far more compelling these days and it could use a shot of adrenaline to continue to justify some of it's existance.

I say ditch them all except for Ultimate Spider-man.

As for the Ultimates, why not change the name of the Mighty Avengers to the Ultimates? They're basically a government-sponsored Avengers team, right? Have Tony create a new Cap somehow, perhaps even granting an existing character like Patriot or Falcon "super soldier" type abilities. Or perhaps just bringing the U.S. Agent onto the team whenever Omega Flight is done. Regardless, once you've got a right-wing, government-backed Captain America figure, this team could easily take on the Ultimates name and use it in the real Marvel Universe.

[XPac]

I agree. I love the Ultimate Universe and the fresh possibilities it provides. But at the same time, I think maybe they need to take more risks in some of the books. Take Ultimate X-Men for example. To me, it seems like the team has been becoming more and more like the 616 version. They had some interesting things going in Dazzler and the Gambit-powered Rogue. So what happens? Dazzler leaves, and Rogue deevolves back into a character who's interested in a boy (this time Bobby instead of Gambit) but can't touch him. Ho-hum.

Don't get me wrong. There are some interesting things going on. I'd just like to see more of a divergence from the 616 Universe.

The Ultimates is pretty great, though.

Yeah... Ultimates is an example of how to do an Ultimate title right.

It's really nothing like the 616 Avengers... it's completely unique. With a few tweaks, you almost can't tell the difference between Ultimate X-Me and regular X-Men at times. They're not taking as much advantage of the fact that it'sa completely different universe as they should be.

I almost think the problem is to a degree they're limiting themselves by trying to be like the movie X-Men (or at least the first two).

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

End of the Ultimate Universe?



What is long overdo?

[sephirothskiller]

I've been back and forth with a few books, but I think the ultimate line is fine. What needs to be explored is a new direction for the books though. It seems like every time the books start to do something which deviates from 616 they stop short.

The Peter/Kitty thing was an awesome idea, and so was the concept of having her be a separate super hero from her mutant self. Unfortunately Deadpool and Clone Saga kyboshed all that. Ult X-Men on the other hand came up with Cable, which was probably the lamest device ever.

Ultimates is significantly apart from the Avengers, but there's a reason that they aren't called "Ultimate Avengers." They aren't. They won't help attract new readers, the characters are apart to the point where its not really like seeing the characters in modern times. They're different characters period. Ultimate Ironman is the best example of this.

[maczero]

I hate to say it, but I think the opinions in that article are "spot on". I was pretty much bored with 616 Marvel when the Ultimate Universe was introduced. I loved almost all the Ultimate titles initially, but mediocre storylines, reintroducing almost every 616 character, and straying from the more real world POV has started to turn me off. Also compared to the recent happenings in the 616 universe, events in the Ultimate Universe have been rather mundane.

[Magneto Rocks]

nd those are the guys who are saying Brubaker's work on DD and Planet Hulk suck.

Do you even READ IGN? They called Brubaker's Daredevil one of the best books on the market! REPEATEDLY! In fact, if I recall correctly they called it THE best marvel book on the market besides civil war a while back and said Brubaker's run had surpassed Bendis and maybe even Miller's! It's just the last few issues they're not huge fans of.

And they liked PH at first but though it dragged out waaay too long which is a fair point.

Personallu I'd be fine with scrapping the Ultimate Universe. It's served it's purpose; it fought the good fight but with no Millar/Hitch Ultimates the last truly great Ultimate book is gone.