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    Quote Originally Posted by agrich View Post
    You think it's more likely that Marvel actually killed Steve Rogers?

    I don't know why you wouldn't simply read it at face value. He's not actually dead, Ms. Marvel says so, and frankly reading Captain America 25, I would have needed to see a much more convincing death than we actually did to even think he was dead in the first place. Gutshot? C'mon.

    It is kinda stupid to say that Cap can go toe to toe with Thanos but gets whacked by a sniper. What is it with marvel and snipers lately? I think he is definitely the guy on the table shown in the Doctor Strange preview.

    But until he recovers, I hope Clint takes up the mantle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrich View Post
    You think it's more likely that Marvel actually killed Steve Rogers?
    Heck no.

    I just thought there was something odd about that particular conversation, given the insistence with which Marvel is hyping this. The whole Fallen Son thing only works if he's "dead."
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    I swear, if the Cosmic Cube is used to undo this, the Red Skull's death and Bucky's resurrection in a year or two...I'm going to be pissed (but not surprised).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
    If this was a complete "fake out" death there'd be no point to the media attention. Spider Man "died" a few months ago and there wasn't a peep from the media because he was back the next month.

    I -highly- doubt Marvel's going to "undo" this on the very same day it comes out. Particularly given the semi-obituary on their homepage they just put up.
    Look, I'm a huge Marvel fan, but I'm not going to sit here and try to contend that their integrity is beyond reproach or anything. So they let the media run with a story (it first appeared in the New York Daily News, probably right next to that rag's story about Britney Spears using Miracle Grow on her head or something) and then fan the flames by putting up a fake obituary. I guess if people want to believe he's dead and buy 20 copies of the comic thinking they'll put their kids through college on it one day, so be it. I'm not one of them. I think he's about as dead as Batman was when Bane broke his back, which is to say, not.

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    Carol's conversation in The Initiative has me a little perplexed, too... I mean, I guess the argument could be made that her run in with Spider-Woman happened while they were trying to save Cap's life (evidence against being, I think Cap was declared dead at night and the Ms Marvel / SpiderWoman conversation was in daylight, and Carol says he's on the Raft, while he seems to be in a regular hospital in Cap 25), but it just doesn't seem like it does anything other than undo the Cap story...

    But even before reading the Initiative book, even with my own prejudices about them actually killing Cap (instead of this being some kind of coverup to sneak him out of the spotlight), one needs to admit there is a weird sort of time-leap in Cap 25 between Steve being brought to the hospital and being declared dead...

    Also, WE NEVER SEE THE DOCTORS CALL IT. We see him delerious and muttering, in and out of consciousness, in the ambulance en-route, then we hear on the news that he's dead, then we see a costumed body on the slab, covered with a sheet. Especially in comics, this is hardly ironclad proof.

    Oh yeah, there's also the idea that Sharon pulled the trigger, which theoretically they (Iron Man & Shield) could have been on to her mind control and used the opportunity - explaining also why she couldn't have been let in on it... sort of (if you read it) how Mara Jade's killing Luuke Skywalker finalized her mission to kill Luke Skywalker... if Sharon knew Steve survived, she'd have to try and kill him again and again.

    But that's me.

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    Riveting issue. Bucky and Falcon were great, and Epting outdid himself. Poor Sharon. :(
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    He'll be back. Big question is... when?

    Although being taken out by a sniper. That just sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrich View Post
    Look, I'm a huge Marvel fan, but I'm not going to sit here and try to contend that their integrity is beyond reproach or anything. So they let the media run with a story (it first appeared in the New York Daily News, probably right next to that rag's story about Britney Spears using Miracle Grow on her head or something) and then fan the flames by putting up a fake obituary. I guess if people want to believe he's dead and buy 20 copies of the comic thinking they'll put their kids through college on it one day, so be it. I'm not one of them. I think he's about as dead as Batman was when Bane broke his back, which is to say, not.

    I think he's a little deader than that. You can feel free to disagree, but I doubt Marvel's going to piss off a huge number of people even more than they already have by turning this into a giant hoax less-than-overnight.

    I have no doubt that ultimately it's temporary, but I'm betting Steve Rogers will be out of the picture completely (save in remembrance) in the present-day Marvel Universe for a lot longer than most people are speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nintendite View Post
    He'll be back. Big question is... when?

    Although being taken out by a sniper. That just sucks.
    He wasn't really. It was Sharon who emptied her gun into him.
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    Highlight to read

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    According to Ms. Marvel hes not dead, yet. He's very badly wounded. They have him hidden away at the Raft and they are trying to keep him alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacShade View Post
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    According to Ms. Marvel hes not dead, yet. He's very badly wounded. They have him hidden away at the Raft and they are trying to keep him alive.
    Explains those pages we've seen of...

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    Shield officers escorting Dr. Strange to see someone laying on a table on life support from New Avengers.
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    This issue was absolutely brilliant in every aspect! A GREAT issue to put out when the national press is advertising for you. Nice job!

    Nick Fury working an espcape plan with Sharon as well as with Bucky, that was nicely handled. It was in character stuff. The retrospectives from Sam, Sharon, and Bucky was heartfelt and emotionally charged. The pace and tension were just rviting when it all went down, and another great in character moment was how Cap was heroic to the end, taking the first shot from Crossbones instead of the guard, and then telling Sharon to get people to safety instead of worrying about his own wounds.

    Sharon screaming for help was the most powerful scene in the comic. I really enjoyed the team up of Cap's old partners for the first time. (I hope Crossbones gets busted out soon, but his time in custody should be intersting next issue. The final reveal that it was a brainwashed Sharon who did the deed was quite powerful, too. Dr. Faustus is good at what he does, and since he's posing as her SHIELD therapist, I wonder if she'll continue getting counseling from him now.

    Now that Faustus's part has been played some, it's time for Arnim Zola, master of the cloning and memory transfer. Ed Brubaker's got to be laughing hysterically. Two past times he's fooled people into believing a death (The Red Skull and Foggy Nelson) and now he's got the national press fooled...lol

    I'm looking very forward to the return of Steve Rogers. This is going to be one hell of a story. I also have to mention the incredible artwork of Steve Epting. He's simply the best artist in comics.

    Great job!

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    Earlier today, somebody here at CBR predicted that Cap would be back by Easter. I think that's a bit soon, he will probably be back shortly before the Fourth of July.
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    Default Mainstream Media Reacts to Death of Captain America

    The press coverage of "Captain America" #25 is palpable and will remind some readers of the reaction to a similarly supersized event from the early 90s.

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...em.cgi?id=9902

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy khouri View Post
    The press coverage of "Captain America" #25 is palpable and will remind some readers of the reaction to a similarly supersized event from the early 90s.

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...em.cgi?id=9902
    Reminds me more of how they spoiled the Spider-Man Unmasking. :p
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