All-Star The Dark Knight (Batman) movie

[metalhead_dave743]

None of that goofy Keysi fighting crap.

Actually that fight was very much Keysi. The motions were very methodical and practical like in Begins... only difference is we can see them better.

[Damiean Dark]

Not a big fan of Keysi in general I still think its too static, grab thugs hand, twist, and face punch then repeat a bit more variaty i hope from the final product.

[metalhead_dave743]

Not a big fan of Keysi in general I still think its too static, grab thugs hand, twist, and face punch then repeat a bit more variaty i hope from the final product.

How about beat thug with the butt of the gun, or rush them and shove a forearm into thugs chest and take thug down. Or how about a headbut to a thug behind you or an elbow into a thug's extended arm that was grabbed. That work for variety? Because the first two happened in that very scene and the second two happened in Begins.

Th practically of Keysi and the complete ownage of the thugs rocks, I hate the over the top fight scenes from the Matrix or all of those kung fu movies. They are like dances... at least with Keysi, Batman is beating the crap out of thugs.

[metalhead_dave743]

DAMN, they were taken down. Don't worry, I'll find another site where they've been uploaded.

EDIT- Got em back... for now.

[Tanjint]

as much as I think TDK is gonna kick ass, to me Batman Begins just isn't that fun/entertaining of a movie for a Batman fan.

What makes it interesting I guess is that is a good film on its own merits. It's really well done and intelligently handled but it takes like an hour before Batman even shows up and the only sort of proper villain we get is Scarecrow. Ra's in this film was no different, to me, than any foreign villain in a Bond movie or Air Force One or something.

It was almost TOO real, too grounded in our world. I like superhero stories to take me away and to see super-mofos kicking ass and doing the kind of stuff they do in the comics. I guess that's why I'm so sad about wanted.

anyway, to Begins' credit, now that the intelligent realistic setup is set up they can use it to set the stage for stuff like TDK now that they have the rest of the world pulled in on its own terms.

I think TDK will have everything that I wanted out Begins.

and Begins had to be the way it is for TDK to be the way it is, but as a Batman fan it wasn't that fun. I haven't even ever been able to watch it again a whole time through because it's so long and slow. But, a great film to pull the masses into the Batman mythos with.

-T

[smartalek]

Actually that fight was very much Keysi. The motions were very methodical and practical like in Begins... only difference is we can see them better.

Keysi fighting method employs the use of keeping your hands on your head and swinging your elbows around. Very much in a way to keep their Keysi fighting methods brand.

[smartalek]

I can't see so anyone can trademark efficient fighting. Real martial arts have been doing it for centuries, the human body can only do a finite amount of things.
Keysi can't lay claim to everything that is efficient when it comes to fighting. It's nothing new.
That's what I hate about martial arts, the damn politics and commercialization.
Nothing new to see here folks.
Sorry for the hijack.

[metalhead_dave743]

Keysi fighting method employs the use of keeping your hands on your head and swinging your elbows around. Very much in a way to keep their Keysi fighting methods brand.

Well maybe you know it better than I do but I'm just going with what Nolan and Bale said is that they are using Keysi, and the moves look similar to Begins except you can see them very clearly.

as much as I think TDK is gonna kick ass, to me Batman Begins just isn't that fun/entertaining of a movie for a Batman fan.

What makes it interesting I guess is that is a good film on its own merits. It's really well done and intelligently handled but it takes like an hour before Batman even shows up and the only sort of proper villain we get is Scarecrow. Ra's in this film was no different, to me, than any foreign villain in a Bond movie or Air Force One or something.

It was almost TOO real, too grounded in our world. I like superhero stories to take me away and to see super-mofos kicking ass and doing the kind of stuff they do in the comics. I guess that's why I'm so sad about wanted.

anyway, to Begins' credit, now that the intelligent realistic setup is set up they can use it to set the stage for stuff like TDK now that they have the rest of the world pulled in on its own terms.

I think TDK will have everything that I wanted out Begins.

and Begins had to be the way it is for TDK to be the way it is, but as a Batman fan it wasn't that fun. I haven't even ever been able to watch it again a whole time through because it's so long and slow. But, a great film to pull the masses into the Batman mythos with.

-T

I actually didn't dig it the first time I saw it. But there were parts I missed to the story so I figured I'd give it a second chance and I enjoyed it. I was sold on the movie when it made to DVD and the fighting seemed edited so you could see it clearly. The quick cuts were there, but the lighting was a hell of a lot better than it was in theaters(and a hell of a lot better than the lighting in the final act of Batman 89).

Wow, I went off on a tangent there. But I've come to very much enjoy Begins as a whole after my second viewing.

There is this vibe I'm getting now when comparing TDK to Begins. Because of the lighting, the atmostphere of the city, the diaglouge, Begins seems VERY comicbookish, despite Nolan's realism portrayl. I see Miller's "Year One" world with Denny O'Neil thrown in there to spice things up when I watch Begins. But I don't see that with TDK, it doesn't look like a comic book movie... it just looks like a really good action/crime movie with Batman thrown in there.

Does anybody get what I'm saying?

One more thing... anybody feeling that this movie isn't going to end happy?

[The Joker]

One more thing... anybody feeling that this movie isn't going to end happy?

You mean like a downbeat ending for the middle arc of a trilogy akin to Star Wars' "The Empire Strikes Back". Where TDK will end on anything that would be considered a happy closing to the film itself?

Yeah I've had that vibe as well.

But really, that's A OK with me. Afterall, if the night is darkest before the dawn, then having TDK end on a more perhaps somber tone seems very appropriate.

[SnowTrooper]

I thought Batman Begins was a fun and entertaining movie. It might not have been extremely action-packed but the whole mythology of the Batman Universe is what captivated me. Gotham, Bruce Wayne, Alfred, Ras Al Ghul, etc... are just as good as Batman to me.

[Damiean Dark]

How about beat thug with the butt of the gun, or rush them and shove a forearm into thugs chest and take thug down. Or how about a headbut to a thug behind you or an elbow into a thug's extended arm that was grabbed. That work for variety? Because the first two happened in that very scene and the second two happened in Begins.

Th practically of Keysi and the complete ownage of the thugs rocks, I hate the over the top fight scenes from the Matrix or all of those kung fu movies. They are like dances... at least with Keysi, Batman is beating the crap out of thugs.

Agreed on the Matrix style it works for those movies but never in a bat film but i still see Keysi as far to predictable and static it completely relies on being in a close quarter cramped inviroment with your opponent how about a mix of the kicking of tae Kwon Do for distance attacks, the close quarter Keysi for close quarters, the grappling of wrestling and cage fighting for ground combat, the mix of Hapkido ect. it would be good to see a variaty of combat moves for a supposedly master fighter like batman.

[smartalek]

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There is this vibe I'm getting now when comparing TDK to Begins. Because of the lighting, the atmostphere of the city, the diaglouge, Begins seems VERY comicbookish, despite Nolan's realism portrayl. I see Miller's "Year One" world with Denny O'Neil thrown in there to spice things up when I watch Begins. But I don't see that with TDK, it doesn't look like a comic book movie... it just looks like a really good action/crime movie with Batman thrown in there.

I get where you are getting at. Perhaps it was the yellowish tint Begins had, plus, the area known as "the narrows" was just a large film set, and it tended to look like a film set. In TDK, they have done away with the yellowish tint, and they show the city landscape a lot more, even by the trailers, so it feels more "real world".

The fight scene was much better, but it still had too much of a cadence to it to feel, "real". Keysi just doesn't seem very smooth, the techniques look choppy and unnatural.

[metalhead_dave743]

Agreed on the Matrix style it works for those movies but never in a bat film but i still see Keysi as far to predictable and static it completely relies on being in a close quarter cramped inviroment with your opponent how about a mix of the kicking of tae Kwon Do for distance attacks, the close quarter Keysi for close quarters, the grappling of wrestling and cage fighting for ground combat, the mix of Hapkido ect. it would be good to see a variaty of combat moves for a supposedly master fighter like batman.

Well we all know in these movies he knows many different fighting styles "Tiger, Jujitsu, Panther." Keysi's supposed the be refinement of all that, or at least that's how it's billed from the "Begins" making of DVD.

He COULD do all of what you are saying but he doesn't have to because his M.O. is to sneak up on the criminals and lay waste to them. It's more of an assault than a fight. That's what I loved about Begins, where he just picks off the criminals and dispatches them brutally.

Perhaps if he has a physical opponent that he'll have a hard time with, he'll whip out some other moves.

The fight scene was much better, but it still had too much of a cadence to it to feel, "real". Keysi just doesn't seem very smooth, the techniques look choppy and unnatural.

Eh, I thought the first part of that scene was pretty damn smooth, Batman rushes the first thug and puts him through glass and then wails on the second thugs. I guess I can see it a bit choppy in the second part of that fight where Batman uses the gun butt, but I'm more than satisfied with where Nolan is going. Personally, I think that's THE most well rounded fight scene in a Batman movie, between the moves, the lighting, and the camera.

To me, Forever used to hold that title until I saw this.

Here's an interview with Bale btw... it's hilarious how he switches between his English and American accent in mid speech.

[CBR News]

Christopher Nolan's second Batman outing is a dark, haunting, vision that reveals to a mass audience what fans of the characters have known for years - the Joker is nothing to laugh at.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17013

[mdg1]

I'm glad you liked the film, but comparing other superhero movies to the Superfriends is a bit of a straw man, yes?

(I may be misusing the term... I get mixed up sometimes. I have a condition ;) )