Avengers' Relationships

[StoneGold]

Another Cap one in the implied to be definite pile, that Asian artist that no one knew was Asian until she mentioned it from the Marvel Knights run. They were getting breakfast together.

[mattbib]

Secret Wars?

Nah.

It wasn't even really implied.

Has been a bit since I read it though.

I've re-read it fairly recently and I thought it was pretty clear that they did hook up.

[Jmacq1]

It's ambiguous, but there's definitely a strong leaning towards "yeah, they hooked up, then put their costumes back on after they were done." One panel they're making out, and an unidentifiable span of time later they're lounging about and she's looking for a comb....

[Dermie]

It should be noted that the first post in this thread was the PRE-update list; most of the recent additions (Cap/Sharon, Clint/Wanda, Julia/Shroud, Crys/Sentry, etc) have already been added since then.

Pretty solid but a few comments

Hank Pym and Espirita/Firebird was pretty implied back in the WCA days as well.

Not really. We had a single panel of them kissing, and then the two of them breaking up about two issues later. There really wasn't anything implying they'd done more than kiss.

Cap had a lot of opportunity with the number of unrequited crushes people have had on him - including Wanda (actually heavily implied in the Cap/Falcon Disassembled issues)

Actually Cap/Wanda was explicitly denied in the Cap/Falcon issues. Cap said flat out that they did not have sex.

Justice - Firestar 'waiting till they're married' my arse. They were waiting at one point, but I'm fairly sure it was assumed they were sleeping together during their time as Avengers.

Nope, there was nothing during their time as Avengers that implied they were sleeping together. They still had separate rooms, and we barely even saw them kiss on-panel during that period.

Thor - what about Jane Foster?

She has been raised as a possbility, but so far no one has been able to point to anything in an issue to indicate that they've slept together.

Hercules & She-Hulk are on the maybe list, too.

Shulkie certainly was fantastizing about him for a while...but when he tried to pursue her for real, she found his sexist attitudes pissed her off. But there have been other times since then that they've been flirty on and off. I agree that they're a maybe...but there just isn't anything conclusive for those two.

Secret Wars?

Nah.

It wasn't even really implied.

One scene ends with Wasp and Magneto making out, and Magneto talking about "lets not deny our desires", and the next scene has Jan in front of the mirror fixing her hair. Not conclusive, but definately implied.

Another Cap one in the implied to be definite pile, that Asian artist that no one knew was Asian until she mentioned it from the Marvel Knights run. They were getting breakfast together.

Was that the "Rebecca" woman? I knew he was dating a woman named Rebecca in MK Cap, but I wasn't sure how serious that relationship was. Were they out for breakfast, or eating at his (or her) place? If they're eating in, then it definately implies they slept together, but if they're eating out they may have just had a breakfast date.

I think both Crystal and Sersi should count for Dane. He sort of dated Sersi. But it's been clear for years that he and Crystal have a relationship. They haven't done anything with it (as far as I know) for various reasons, but that doesn't make it any less applicable.

They definately had a relationship between them, but this list was started as a list of the Avengers sex lives specifically. It has never been clear if Dane and Crys slept together or not (although I lean towards not, under the circumstances...)

Yeah, this entire list seems to be skewed to a very "literal" level, not accounting for retconning more physically intimate relationships "between the panels" as seems to be common these days. I don't see why the automatic assumption should be that people weren't sleeping together in the golden/silver age any more than it should be automatically assumed that they were.

Yes, Century (the poster who first compiled this list) was being very literal, and wanting on-panel confirmation, although he was at least referencing relationships that at least seemed to be implied.
The reason Century was resisting the Crystal/Torch relationship is that apparently their relationship was portrayed very chastely even by Silver Age standards...but I agree that Johnny and Crys were almost certainly sleeping together. Even if it wasn't being indicated back then, the way writers refer to their relationship now certainly points to it.

[Dermie]

Assuming you include things like rape and casual sex, as you seem to have done, I don't know who wins.

Without including those two, Spider-Man and Iron Man tie for the most people one hero has dated. I counted it out once. They beat any other heroes, whether in DC or Marvel.

The fact that you've only given Spider-Man two is a huge disgrace to the character's history.

The list was designed to be sex-specific, not relationships in general. If we were counting all of Spidey's romances, the list would be much larger.

[Dermie]

The Updates that weren't included in the first post...

Hulk: Became Umar's sex toy in the last Defenders mini

Tony Stark: Emma Frost, according to Civil War #3. Also, seeking confirmation on Rae La Coste and Indries Moomji

Cap: Sharon Carter now a definate

Hawkeye: slept with Wanda in NA #26

Black Panther: Storm is now a definate

Ms Marvel: a reference was made to an embarrassing weekend in Las Vegas with Johnny Storm...but no other details have been revealed.
She almost slept with her new boyfriend William Wagner, but got interrupted by Arana

She-Hulk: Clay Quartermain

Captain Mar-Vell: Princess Anelle, unless she impregnated herself artificially like Elysius did

Starfox: Christina Garvey. Also, Seductra, an agent of Thanos sent to capture him, is a strong probability (just look at her name, for crying out loud)

Thing: Carlotta La Rosa

Spider-Man: slept with Gwen Stacy in the HoM world

Arachne: implied she's been sleeping with Shroud

Crystal: Sentry, in the past

Wolverine: a woman named Catharina was introduced as an old lover in one of the I Heart Marvel one-shots

Iron Fist: Misty Knight

Dr Strange: Clea. Nurse Williams, and Kimberly were both established in flashbacks in Dr. Strange #45

Moondragon: still nothing confirmed on-panel between her and Phyla, but the two of them are still a couple during Annihilation, so it seems likely that by now the two of them have become intimate.

[StoneGold]

Jarvis and Aunt May?

[Dermie]

Jarvis and Aunt May?

Yep. And possibly Jarvis and Glory Garsen as well, although we've seen so little of their relationship (even though it lasted more than a decade Real-Time) that it is hard to say. But given how long they were together, it seems likely.

[jmc247]

One scene ends with Wasp and Magneto making out, and Magneto talking about "lets not deny our desires", and the next scene has Jan in front of the mirror fixing her hair. Not conclusive, but definately implied.

It was more then that both Magneto and her hair were a wreak after that scene and in the next scene Wasp says to Magneto that you presume that one you romance a woman for a night then you own her... wrong.

Somehow I don't think all they were doing all night was kissing like in the fade to black scene.

[Dermie]

It was more then that both Magneto and her hair were a wreak after that scene and in the next scene Wasp says to Magneto that you presume that one you romance a woman for a night then you own her... wrong.

Somehow I don't think all they were doing all night was kissing like in the fade to black scene.

I agree, I believe that scene was implying they slept together. And the fact that it was written by Shooter only reinforces that impression--he tended to include a lot of sexual subtext in his work.

[AllisterH]

Yeah, the list doesn't include "just" relationships. Peter is something of a "sex only in a very committed relationship" type of guy and doesn't do the casual sex thing. I mean, there is no "smoking gun" scene a la Magento/Wasp with either Black Cat or Gwen Stacey.

Bonita I don't see as having "sex before marriage" type of girl. Remember, back in the WCA days, Tigra wasn't a fan of Bonita due to her "wrong" thoughts that Bonita flaunted her chastity.

She Hulk and Hercules, I can see getting together afterwards. She Hulk, afterwards has been written to be a woman who likes her sex and I can easily see her getting together with Hercules but other than Heroes for hire and Dan Slott's She Hulk series, they have never be shown together after their stint in the Avengers.

Then again, Slott did insert a sexual relationship between Eros and Jennifer so I wouldn't be surprised seeing one between her and Herc.

[Dermie]

She Hulk and Hercules, I can see getting together afterwards. She Hulk, afterwards has been written to be a woman who likes her sex

Actually, Jen has always been a pretty aggressive woman sexually, with her relationships with Wyatt, Zapper, etc.

and I can easily see her getting together with Hercules but other than Heroes for hire and Dan Slott's She Hulk series, they have never be shown together after their stint in the Avengers.

At one point I wondered if they had a wartime fling during the Kang War in Avengers. The two of them were assigned to Paris together during the war, and afterward we saw the two of them being flirty again. Who knows?

Then again, Slott did insert a sexual relationship between Eros and Jennifer so I wouldn't be surprised seeing one between her and Herc.

Dan didn't insert that--it was already established during Roger Stern's Avengers run. The scene in SHE-HULK #7 where Jen and Wasp talk about that affair included dialogue quoted from the original issue.

[Joe Acro]

Yeah, the list doesn't include "just" relationships. Peter is something of a "sex only in a very committed relationship" type of guy and doesn't do the casual sex thing. I mean, there is no "smoking gun" scene a la Magento/Wasp with either Black Cat or Gwen Stacey.

I think Black Cat has outright stated they had sex. And if you count House of M Gwen Stacy...

[Red State Cap]

Captain America: Peggy Carter, Betsy Ross/Golden Girl, Sharon Carter, Bernie Rosenthal, Connie Ferarri and even Blind Al from Deadpool have all been speculated, but none confirmed, as Cap has to represent both pure and wholesome virgin Americans and the H*ll-bound living-in-sin ones. And also those who sleep with robots, it now seems.
Cap certainly never did sleep with Diamondback back in the day, despite her seeming to be most fans' choice for who he should end up with, and despite Kirkman's issues reading like they had in the past, it really doesn't fit (with one old issue flat-out stating that they never had), although his run does end suggesting they were going off to do it. Bizarrely, the Diamondback LMD seems to be the only definite one here. (?)

I think several in the "maybe" category involve reading too much into it.
IMO, these are the only definites:
Peggy Carter (during WWII)
Sharon Carter
Bernie Rosenthal
Diamondback's LMD (but not Diamondback) as a result of Kirkman's poor research.

RSC

[Dermie]

I think several in the "maybe" category involve reading too much into it.
IMO, these are the only definites:
Peggy Carter (during WWII)
Sharon Carter
Bernie Rosenthal
Diamondback's LMD (but not Diamondback) as a result of Kirkman's poor research.

RSC

Like it or not, the real Diamondback is almost certainly a definate now--the final issue of Kirkman's arc had Cap and Diamondback leaving together to get a room...