I read the first issue but can't tell if its worth it.
I read the first issue but can't tell if its worth it.
In my personal opinion, no. I bought the first trade and I didn't like it. I really struggled to get through it to be honest. I know Morrison sometimes writes stuff that is very out there, and that can be good, but this didn't track for me and I sold it on in the end. I think Morrison has done some good stuff, and he is talented, but I didn't enjoy this at all.
I'm sure someone else will tell you why they thought it was wicked and kick ass etc.
If you look after the fans, they will look after you.
I have just finished the final trade and on balance I really enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong there's some 'out there' stuff there and it takes a few reads but overall it's a satisfying read. There's also a very good notes book called "the misinformation guide to the invisibles" or something like that.
The Invisibles is certainly worth it, but I'm not sure reading in chronological order is the best way to go. I'd recommend starting with volume 2 (Bloody Hell in America, Counting to None, and Kissing Mr. Quimper), then going back and working through volume 1. The problem with vol. 1 is that the second story arc is quite challenging, a rare moment in comics that the creators actually overestimate the intelligence of their readers. You need to bring a lot to that party, and it's somewhat disjointed to begin with. At the time, so many people fled the book that it was in danger of cancellation, so Morrison reigned himself in a bit, which would bear fruit in the latter issues of volume 1. Plus,the addition of Phil Jimenez' art complemented the story very well.
If you read volume 2 first, you'll have a better sense of the characters, perhaps even caring about them somewhat. Then when you return to volume one, it will read more like backhistory, which will flesh the series out more. Are some things spoiled? Of course, but not enough to ruin my enjoyment of the story, at least.
However, don't touch volume 3 until you've read volumes 1 & 2, or you'll be lost completely.
Its really personal choice.
If you enjoy counter-cultures with pysche elements, I'd definetely reccomend it.
And, I agree Morrison does overestimate the intelligence of the readers.
I loved it. I also didn't understand half of it until I bought that Disinformation Guide.
I can see why people would dislike it though.
I love the series and make sure to read it all from start to finish about every 6 months, it impacts me that much. I really don't think Morrison overestimates anything. I think we are so use to being talked down to and underestimated that it just seems like so much more. Plus I'd rather a creator think of me as a highly intelligent person then someone who has to have everything explained to. If the first issue doesn't click with you, I do agree on trying the Volume Two work, it went from a full British feel to more American action movie (essentially how Morrison worded the change) and it doesn't go into more heady stuff until Quimper and the Hand of Glory stuff but by then you will know whether or not this book is for you. Plus the first arc "Bloody Hell In America" is the cheapest of them all, though it does also sadly only include four issues. I do think I like volume one more though, it has the origins of Lord Fanny and King Mob plus one of my all time favorite one offs where it's all about a character who is killed in the very first issue as hired goon number two. Humanising someone who appears for 5 panels max when he is introduced and shot randomly (and someone we as readers want to see eliminated as he works for the "bad" guys) and we don't care since he's just random grunt. Is one of the more neat things in the series. They also examine if the main characters actually ARE the good guys. And so much more then I can go into here, I highly suggest it, all my friends who have started it have eagerly finished the whole series.
Noh-Varr Reviews: The Silence of Our Friends by Mark Long, Jim Demonakos, and Nate Powell.
Good read, but kind of hard at times.
There is a book called "Anarchy for the Masses" where 2 writers analyze issue by issue (and different panels). This is handy since some of the stuff mentioned is very British. Also, in the final storyline (but it may have been corrected in the TPB's), there are art errors which makes it virtually impossible to get the story right (this is a sin!). This book helps to set up what the heck is happening in the story.
It's a very intelligent book, no doubt-- I wouldn't say Morrison "overestimated" my intelligence, though-- I happen to think I'm a pretty sharp guy.
It's an interesting book, in the sense that the last volume was something of a failure (due in part to problems with the art), but it's still far and away my all-time favorite comic book series, flaws and all. It makes books like Sandman and Preacher look simple-minded (and I really enjoyed both of those books too). Frankly, Vertigo hasn't published anything else that even approaches The Invisibles in terms of quality-- well, Doom Patrol might approach The Invisibles...
So yeah, give it a shot.
I have/read the first 2 trades, they're challenging but ultimately too weird for me.
When I said that Morrison overestimated his readers, I meant only in the second story arc. You needed to bring in some outside knowledge on the Shelleys, Byron, deSade and his works, plus a lot of the elements seem disjointed until you realize it's the argument rather than the story that ties everything together. Even Morrison admits that it was a trainwreck, and that's where most people who dislike the book tend to cast it aside as pretentious crap, somewhat understandably. For the most part, however, I'd argue that most of the ideas presented afterwards throughout the series were presented fairly clearly, either in the story or in Invisibles Ink. The trades unfortunately do not reprint the letter pages, so you're stuck on some of that, but Anarchy for the Masses does help fill in a lot.
I also don't see why people dislike vol. 3 so much, except for the art discrepancies in the last arc, which were corrected for the trade. I find the "Karmageddon" arc with Sean Phillips to be one of the best arcs (and most important) in the entire series. Nothing really comes out of left field either, although it certainly helps to reread the entire series before you plunge into it. Plus, the last few pages of the series with Dane's proclamation that "our sentence is up" is probably the best and most fitting ending that any Vertigo series ever had.
But then again, I love the book.
- Art is whatever makes you feel human.
- "You are what you love, not what loves you." - Donald Kaufman
- "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." - William Munny
- "Acquiescence. It's not so hard, really. You. Just. Give. In." - Col. Ives
Invisibles is good for the first half of the first trade and all of the next five, but the 7th and final trade just confused the hell out of me. I'd find it hard to fully recommend it with that confusing ending.
(and as for the 2nd arc - it wasn't just Morrison's fault. Jill Thompson's art in that storyline is abysmal)
If you gave up on the first volume, I highly recommend that you try the second volume which is set in America. It is not as dense or difficult to work through as the first volume (though I loved much of the first volume), it has twice as much ass kicking, and it's full of mystery and clever surprises. And it's still got plenty of Morrison's mysticism/weirdness to go around (much of which Morrison apparently actually believes in, unless he's just pulling one over on us with his public persona).