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    Default Who would be the best leader for the New Avengers?

    right now it looks like Cage will lead the team.
    people want others to lead, however.
    Ill let yall take it from there.
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    Nick Fury would be a better leader for the New Avengers.

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    Based on what we know as of now... the best choice might be a sort of co-leadership situation with Strange and Logan.

    Strange could sort of direct things in a broader sense as he did with the Defenders, but he'd leave the actual field lcombat eader stuff to Logan (like he sometimes did with Nighthawk).

    There's no obvious standout leader in the bunch. For the most part none of them would be terrible choices, but none of them would be great ones either. Bendis could literally pull a name out of a hat if he wanted to.

    I will say though that in the Collective story arc, Cage showed a certain almost Captain America-ish quality when they went to that neighborhood as a team. Cage comes off as a man of the people. That might actually be a very helpfull quality as far as choosing someone to be the figurehead of this team.

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    Note: I want this thread to stick to actual New Avengers members, or at least reasonable guesses as to Ronin's identity. Anything else belongs in the "dream roster" thread.


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    Cage as leader of the NA is the hook that's making me want to start reading this book. He's a great character that's always been just outside of the spotlight over the past few years. Making him the top dog in Marvel's biggest book could finally push him from "yellow blouse and chain belt B-lister" to one of Marvel's biggest charcters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene Marsh View Post
    Cage as leader of the NA is the hook that's making me want to start reading this book. He's a great character that's always been just outside of the spotlight over the past few years. Making him the top dog in Marvel's biggest book could finally push him from "yellow blouse and chain belt B-lister" to one of Marvel's biggest charcters.
    This has had the exact opposite effect on me. I'm not a huge Bendis fan (although I actualy enjoyed secret war quite a bit and I am a HUGE fan of Alias), but seeing how Bendis has radicaly transformed the character into his own personal Mary-Sue put me off of new avengers for a while. I was planning on picking up the title post-CW due to all the hype, but now that I know it's basicly Bendis' Mary-Sue version of the Avengers... well, it's very off-putting.

    As for who would be better leading the team, I'd go for Cap/Ronin, Clint/Ronin, Pym/Ronin or the Wolverine-Strange duo above. Noone else seems to be of leadership caliber. ESPECIALY not cage. this is not to dis the character (anymore then I already have) but even when he was'nt Bendisafied he was'nt of Avengers leader quality. Heck SPIDERMAN could'nt lead the avengers in my mind, how can I imagine cage doing any better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalWorldDomination View Post
    This has had the exact opposite effect on me. I'm not a huge Bendis fan (although I actualy enjoyed secret war quite a bit and I am a HUGE fan of Alias), but seeing how Bendis has radicaly transformed the character into his own personal Mary-Sue put me off of new avengers for a while. I was planning on picking up the title post-CW due to all the hype, but now that I know it's basicly Bendis' Mary-Sue version of the Avengers... we'll it's very off-putting.

    As for who would be better leading the team, I'd go for Cap/Ronin, Clint/Ronin, Pym/Ronin or the Wolverine-Strange duo above. Noone else seems to be of leadership caliber. ESPECIALY not cage. this is not to dis the character (anymore then I already have) but even when he was'nt Bendisafied he was'nt of Avengers leader quality. Heck SPIDERMAN could'nt lead the avengers in my mind, how can I imagine cage doing any better?
    Yeah, but he's been "Bendisified" for how many years now? Let's put it this way, more time than it took for Captain Marvel to be made team leader.
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    I like this direction... It's the logical progression that's been made by Bendis since Alias and his Daredevil run.

    As already noted, Luke has previously run H4H, was the leader of the resistance of HofM and came of as Ambassadorial and a man of the people during the Collective arc.

    Luke has his own distinct vision of what the Avengers should be. The whole point of the New Avengers is that they "ain't yo Daddy's Avengers" well, they aren't Iron Man or Cap's Avengers either...

    Give it time... I think this will work.

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    luke cage maybe, he's a badass! they need someone fearless and tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Based on what we know as of now... the best choice might be a sort of co-leadership situation with Strange and Logan.

    Strange could sort of direct things in a broader sense as he did with the Defenders, but he'd leave the actual field lcombat eader stuff to Logan (like he sometimes did with Nighthawk).
    Perfect idea. I endorse it 100%.

    Having said that, Cage as leader doesn't bother me. I look forward to seeing him grow into the role. And, to be perfectly honest, I kind of wanted him to take the mantle of Captain America if Steve does end up biting it at the end of Civil War. Seems like that won't happen, though. If anyone takes over as Cap it will be the Winter Soldier.

    I just hope that Cage will utilize Logan's vast combat experience and military/black ops training and defer to him in certain situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Based on what we know as of now... the best choice might be a sort of co-leadership situation with Strange and Logan.

    Strange could sort of direct things in a broader sense as he did with the Defenders, but he'd leave the actual field lcombat eader stuff to Logan (like he sometimes did with Nighthawk).
    That's what i think is the best idea too. Wolverine is not the broader view or thinking-about-the-future type, but if there's someone to take over this role, and this Avengers are the black-ops type, he is more qualified than anyone else on this team. Unless Ronin is someone like Fury or Cap. himself, of course. And Logan is not going berserk every issue, like it happens under some writers.
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    Assuming Cling Barton or Cap are going to be Ronon I think he would make the best decision. Otherwise Doctor Strange makes the most sense.

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    This just shows you what a lack of quality and capable leaders that this team has. Cage is the best choices on the team, but is that really saying much. I still got my fingers crossed that Ronin is Clint or Cap. And that Ronin will take over as leader after a few issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Lotus View Post
    This just shows you what a lack of quality and capable leaders that this team has. Cage is the best choices on the team, but is that really saying much. I still got my fingers crossed that Ronin is Clint or Cap. And that Ronin will taker over as leader after a few issues.
    If Clint is Ronin lets hope he leaves the mask off... I think it would look cooler that way.

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    Ideally it would be Fury, but of the current members Luke makes the best overall leader. While Strange is the most powerful he doesnt seem to grasp or care about the issue NA will be facing, he is just there to help out of regret and I doubt it will be permanent. While Logan has more experience fighting, he is at his best when given a task. Im still hoping Ronin is Cap or Fury.
    As for Clint, I think he is the quintesential number 2. Someone who will make sure that the number 1 stays the course but not lead. I know he did it on Thunderbolts but even then i didnt like it. He is to the Avengers what Logan is to the Xmen. While they could lead, they would rather worry about their next opponent and not planning the next team training schedule.

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