ultimate beast

[Canemacar]

What makes you think him coming back undoes any of those events? It doesn't retcon the death and it's effects. That still effected people, those effects don't magically vanish as if they never happened.

I would have thought the answer was self-evident. Having shown people dealing with a loss and exploring how it affected them is undermined by suddenly having Beast return. Beast's death causes ripples and changes in the people around him.

[Beast]

I would have thought the answer was self-evident. Having shown people dealing with a loss and exploring how it affected them is undermined by suddenly having Beast return. Beast's death causes ripples and changes in the people around him.

And said changes don't magically go away. Just like when someone is missing and presumed dead.... those feelings don't magically vanish if someone turns up alive.

[Canemacar]

When you see the body and bury it, it does. Thats dealing with a permenant loss (as opposed to a presumed loss like when someone goes missing) that turns out to be not quite so permenant.

[Smokeyjay]

I find it silly how the Ultimate universe somehow didn't manage to keep deaths permanent.

Its a lot smaller and contained. I would understand for the 616 universe, since there are a whole bunch of stories and writers, but not for ultimate.

[tetragene]

I understand what Canemacar is saying. Like, for example, Storm's trouble dealing with it. She went through a lot and essentially distanced herself from the team because of the grief and depression she felt over Beast's death. If he all of a sudden turns up--it doesn't negate the grief she originally felt, but it does have kind of a "magically healed" element to it. She's not having to eventually make peace with it and move on (like people normally do in such a situation)--because poof, there's Beast...problem solved, grief/depression suddenly healed.

If Beast's death wasn't so clearly laid out (we see him smushed, characters say he is dead, they bury him and have a funeral) then the ressurection wouldn't be so ridiculous. Like with Karma waaaay back in New Mutants. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, there wasn't any "finality" about her death. Everyone just assumed she had died in the explosion--she turns up later and it's not such a huge lame moment, because it wasn't like they saw her die and buried her.

[Greg Anderson]

Man, I really hope he comes back as a ghost or a dream or something...

[Joe Acro]

Betsy's was pretty major. So was Sabretooth's. And Magneto's.

Betsy came back? Sabretooth died once?

Magneto's was really more of a retcon than an actual resurrection. His death never happened in the first place.

[Beast]

Betsy came back? Sabretooth died once?

Magneto's was really more of a retcon than an actual resurrection. His death never happened in the first place.

Betsy was crushed by a car thanks to Colossus when she was inhabited by Proteus. She came back in the body of Kwannon during the wrap up issue for Return of the King.

Sabretooth got decapitated by Wolverine during Return of the King. When he turned back up, they had some nonsense about Logan not taking his whole head off which allowed him to heal. But if you look at the panel in ROTK, his whole head is coming off in the panel.

And yes, Magneto's return was a retcon. Who's to say Beast's isn't?

[Joe Acro]

Betsy was crushed by Colossus when she was inhabited by Proteus. She came back in the body of Kwannon during the wrap up issue for Return of the King.

Sabretooth got decapitated by Wolverine during Return of the King. When he turned back up, they had some nonsense about Logan not taking his whole head off which allowed him to heal. But if you look at the panel in ROTK, his whole head is off.

And yes, Magneto's return was a retcon. Who's to say Beast's isn't?

I really don't remember that Kwannon thing. But even still, her body still died, so it both does and doesn't count.

I will concede the Sabretooth one.

Perhaps Beast's will be.

[bbmakdaddycomics]

maybe beast was so sad about his relationship with storm that
he cloned himself while he looked for a cure to revert him back to his human stage and now he finally found one.

or maybe professor didn't die he took cables time traveling machine stoped beast from dying and helped find a cure.

[Canemacar]

Who's to say Beast's isn't?

Well for one thing, the effrects of his death were far too broad for it to simply be retconed and have any integrity left.

[Beast]

Well for one thing, the effrects of his death were far too broad for it to simply be retconed and have any integrity left.

You mean exactly like how Magneto's was? Again, the effects have nothing to do with whether Hank died or not. Just those who were his friends believed him to be dead.

[Canemacar]

You mean exactly like how Magneto's was? Again, the effects have nothing to do with whether Hank died or not. Just those who were his friends believed him to be dead.

Well since they were the ones who placed his shattered, lifeless body in a box and buried it, I think this one has wee bit less wiggleroom than Magneto(whom no one expected to remain dead anyway).

[superhornet34]

hate the fact that he's coming back, I really do. I was hoping for the Ultimate Universe to be different with no resurrecting characters, but whatever. Bah!

Have you guys seen the sales of this book? Its been dropping to below 70K. it used to be above 100K didnt it? The only reason for this resurrection is for a sales bump. The only reasons for resurrections are sales bumps and because the writer ran out of ideas.

[Greg Anderson]

I doubt his return will peak interest and rise up sales.