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    Default Time for a new Tigra ongoing?

    With Ms Marvel back in her own series, shortly to be followed by Spiderwoman, and characters like the new White Tiger getting their own mini-series, is it time for Tigra to get her own ongoing series again?

    Both as the Cat and Tigra she was once more than capable of holding her own, and Greer Nelson, for all the damage that has been done to the character, is still potentially one of the greats.

    The Avengers Icons mini was a step in the right direction to restoring her cridbility, but Greer has so much more to offer.

    What direction would you like to see Tigra heading in in future?

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    Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.

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    I could see her going in two different directions.

    First, and probably better, would be something that followed her life on the police force. To me, it would be interesting if the basic approach were "It's a police comic with a superhero in it," rather than "it's a superhero comic with police in it."

    Base some storylines on weird police anecdotes, like the time NYPD Emergency Services was called to get a fat woman out of a bathtub, next issue it's security at a convention of gods at the Javitz Center. Sometimes she helps out at the Bronx Zoo with the big cats.

    Second would be to take her back to her horror roots. From West Coast Avengers and What If? we already know that the first Tigra was created around 1350 as a weapon against human mages: how do modern mages feel about Tigra being back?

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    I'd like to see a 12 part maxi-series that starts with her death and goes back and tells the story of Tigra's last adventure.

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    I liked the way the last mini focused on her human identity as Greer Grant Nelson... and didn't treat her as a sex-crazed tabby cat.

    I'd like to see a follow up on that. Just a mini though. I think she works best in short doses.

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    Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

    The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

    For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

    A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

    Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

    All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

    Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDM View Post
    Tigra could do well with another limited series; however, I would like to see her return to The Avengers.
    Oddly enough, I agree with DDM. She'd work well in either New or Mighty Avengers.

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    Some interesting points raised so far. I'm sure I still have a few old copies of Tigra lying around somewhere, but I don't recall the aspect of her being a nemesis of the mystic community - did this come to light during her tenure in WCA?

    For me, the duality of the character is key, and while we're exploring relationships, let's not forget her friendship with the X-Men.

    An offbeat, quirky cop series could work. She could use the resources at her disposal as a cop to hunt down supercriminals that regular cops wouldn't be able to handle.

    Or she could use her Avengers connections to turn Dr Tumolo's lab into her own base of operations. I can see reasons why she might prefer to work alone - the whole duality of nature, and the struggle for dominance that comes with it being one. I'm not saying the police wouldn't call on her in times of need, but in the past Greer was always more of a loner, like Moon Knight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangentman View Post
    Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

    The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

    For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

    A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

    Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

    All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

    Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Homosensual View Post
    Some interesting points raised so far. I'm sure I still have a few old copies of Tigra lying around somewhere, but I don't recall the aspect of her being a nemesis of the mystic community - did this come to light during her tenure in WCA?

    For me, the duality of the character is key, and while we're exploring relationships, let's not forget her friendship with the X-Men.

    An offbeat, quirky cop series could work. She could use the resources at her disposal as a cop to hunt down supercriminals that regular cops wouldn't be able to handle.

    Or she could use her Avengers connections to turn Dr Tumolo's lab into her own base of operations. I can see reasons why she might prefer to work alone - the whole duality of nature, and the struggle for dominance that comes with it being one. I'm not saying the police wouldn't call on her in times of need, but in the past Greer was always more of a loner, like Moon Knight.
    I am very much loving both of these ideas. I personally would love to see Tigra come into her own, without being a wild sex starved party pussy-cat.:p This was probably the worst thing that Shooter could have done while he was writing his short stint on the Avengers. That, and try to make Egghead a viable threat.

    Although, I did love his Moondragon takes over a planet story.

    Who would be your ideal writer/artist on this series? I'd personally like to see someone who can handle females accurately, and while also maintaining the crime/noir feel that her mini had, then I wouldn't mind several minis/an ongoing.
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    You know as much as I like Tigra the way most people know her, I always prefered her original look from her first appearance. To bring it in perspective, she didn't have a tail, her appearance was more wild lady than cat-lady. Sort of a more savage version of Mantis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangentman View Post
    Personally, I'd love a well-written and well-drawn series of Tigra minis. Run with limited volumes as "Seasons", not unlike what has been done with Runaways and She-Hulk. Several excellent suggestions, and I think the best approach is incorporate ALL of them. Tigra function best in a brooding, dark story with the right amount of introspection. Bring humor at appropriate times to keep everything from going tediously "grim'n'gritty".

    The foundation of the series could be "Greer functions primarily as a cop, but changes into Tigra for the crimes ordinary police can't handle." Even though she's helping out in "Civil War", her primary calling is that of "Police Officer". She found a sense of purpose that set her apart from "C-List Avenger". We need to see that play out.

    For the "crimes cops can't handle" angle, follow the method used in the better issues of the old Spider-Woman series. Tigra tackles the weird cases. Period. If that's helping a fat woman out of the tub, then trying to stop a parasite that makes her eat and grow at ridiculous rates, so be it. If that means stopping Kraven, Jr. from accidentally bringing his dad back from the dead, bring it on.

    A key element of Tigra is the war between her human/bestial sides. I think the best approach is comparing it with a person living with alcoholism. She'll never beat the "beast"; instead, Greer must accept that she's sharing head-space with a primal cat demon. The writer doesn't have to drown us in angst over it. Instead, we could see Greer use exercises that keep her human half dominant, or invoke the cat when humanity is a liability.

    Explore Tigra's relationships, too! She has three exes still working in the superhuman community--does she stay in touch with Hank, Mark, or Simon? Where is she at in her rivalry with Firebird? Has that been resolved, or does she still look down on Bonita? How will she react to Hank choosing Bonita over Jan? IIRC, her father is still alive--let's see how they get along. How does Greer get along on her new job?

    All these elements could make a good Tigra story.

    Siddon: If Tigra died, I'd want that writer to use an obscure "Cat People" power from the old "Tigra" stories: the power to astrally project herself to a person of her choice before dying. A final "Tigra" story could be told by this projection, or at the very least, give Jessica Drew or Clint Barton the necessary lead to track down her killer.
    Man, i didn't know any of this stuff. Where can i find a Tigra history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protege View Post
    Man, i didn't know any of this stuff. Where can i find a Tigra history?
    The Cat #1-4 (1st & O:The Cat), Giant Size Creatures #1 (1st & O:Tigra), & Marvel Chillers #3-5


    After Greer Nelson became Tigra, Patsy Walker took Greer Nelson's original Cat costume to become Hellcat.

    I think it's a mistake to focus on Greer Nelson without her Tigra identity. If you're going to call the series Tigra, you better have a story starring Tigra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siddon View Post
    I'd like to see a 12 part maxi-series that starts with her death and goes back and tells the story of Tigra's last adventure.
    I would go a step further by having Tigra solve her own murder before it happened; therefore, Greer would not be dead & you would have a good story out of it too. She could learn more revelations about the Cat People & herself in the process as the series moves on. Tigra could learn that a dark side of the Cat People exists & she is very much a part of this dark side since she became Tigra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Nowak View Post
    Base some storylines on weird police anecdotes, like the time NYPD Emergency Services was called to get a fat woman out of a bathtub, next issue it's security at a convention of gods at the Javitz Center. Sometimes she helps out at the Bronx Zoo with the big cats.

    sounds like she-hulk with fur

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDM View Post
    The Cat #1-4 (1st & O:The Cat), Giant Size Creatures #1 (1st & O:Tigra), & Marvel Chillers #3-5


    After Greer Nelson became Tigra, Patsy Walker took Greer Nelson's original Cat costume to become Hellcat.

    I think it's a mistake to focus on Greer Nelson without her Tigra identity. If you're going to call the series Tigra, you better have a story starring Tigra.
    Actually, i was talking about her relationships with the Avengers- what her relationships were with them, why she looked down on Bonita, why she and beast never hooked up, etc...

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