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    Quote Originally Posted by kane View Post
    For all this to work Loki would have to mind wipe everyone to forget that spider-man is Parker, everyone to forget the marriage, to wipe out every article and other written evidence of Parker being spider-man and of the marriage. Is Loki powerfull enough for this?
    The Loki in Ultimates 2 explicitly has the power to change time & space, and used this ability to create documents proving that Thor was Norway's supersolider/ more than a little crazy.

    I know it's not the same Loki, but it is written by the guy who is writing Civil War (and knows how the unmasking issue will be resolved.) It's worth noting that the Loki who helps Spider-Man may not be the Loki that we're all familiar with, as JMS (writer of "One More Day") as writer of the Thor relaunch has the complete freedom to relaunch Loki any way he sees fit.


    Quote Originally Posted by kane View Post
    For this Loki would have to change the reality. Even if MJ forgets that he is spider-man, she still would be married to Peter Parker.
    As you just noted, Peter's unmasking had a noticable impact on the world, and the course of Civil War. So if Loki somehow undoes that, he has the power to make it so that Peter's marriage never happened. It's not about making people forget that Peter Parker was Spider-Man, but changing reality so that they never found out. And it's reasonable to assume that if Mary Jane never found out that Peter Parker was Spider-Man, he would never have thought of proposing to her the second time.

    This may have a noticeable impact on Spider-Man's official continuity, with some retellings (ie- Spider-Man Blue) set in a different reality than the original comics, which one existing the world in which Mary Jane always knew Peter's identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberman View Post
    The big loose end I can think of is Loki owing Spider-Man a favor (Amazing Spider-Man #504.) With JMS tying up his loose ends just around the time of the Thor revamp (which he's in charge of) I'm almost expecting the new Loki to make his first appearance in Spider-Man. I have my own theories as to what he's up to.
    The good thing about the favor is that it can either be played for laughs or Spider-Man can use it for something big. What's even better is that JMS handling Thor kind of makes it easier to get back to but there is the question of wether Loki would even remember after his rebirth.

    Aside from that there are the many loose ends of "The Other"...
    How did Morlun recover?
    What's Morlun's origin?
    What was the cause of Spider-man's illness?
    What happens next with "The Other"

    There are a few loose ends which may tie into the first arc...
    What happened to Morlun's sidekick? (If you recall Dex shot Morlun. Why was he helping Morlun, and did he have anything to do with Morlun's return.)
    Did Spider-Man's illness during the Other have anything to do with his radiation overdose?
    All excellent questions Cyberman, great list there and I'm asking those very same questions myself.

    One thing I did find kind of funny and interesting at the same time regarding Morlun's return after he died was this image telegraphing his return in Amazing #46:



    Notice the Morlun pic saying "I'll be back" :D

    The cause for Spider-Man's illness seemed like it was answered but with a very vague explanation. Basically Yellowjacket said that it was radiation based but neither Bruce Banner nor Black Panther could find the source (which was his body trying shutting itself down in order to rebirth itself) .

    I'm assuming that the radiation aspect likely stems from the shot of radiation he injected himself with that became the cause of Morlun's defeat. It caught up with him again when he was exposed to the bomb Hydra launched.

    Quite frankly there's alot left to explain on JMS's behalf regarding the stuff going on in The Other and it's mystical loose ends so I'm wondering if he'll actually attempt to answer them all. There's also the "Spider dreaming of becoming the man" and the reflection of his accepting of the spider aspect of his powers in Amazing Spider-Man #527 which facinated me to no end as it practically spells out his new status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.S View Post
    The good thing about the favor is that it can either be played for laughs or Spider-Man can use it for something big. What's even better is that JMS handling Thor kind of makes it easier to get back to but there is the question of wether Loki would even remember after his rebirth.

    All excellent questions Cyberman, great list there and I'm asking those very same questions myself.

    One thing I did find kind of funny and interesting at the same time regarding Morlun's return after he died was this image telegraphing his return in Amazing #46:



    Notice the Morlun pic saying "I'll be back" :D
    One fun thing I just realized about the dream sequence. "Ye olde villain costume shoppe" foreshadowed the guy who ran a costume shop for heroes & villains in Amazing Spider-MAn #502.

    JMS is the type of guy who will sprinkle his book with these types of clues.

    Incidentally, I do believe there's a reason we've yet to see Peter's exact diagnosis. It may end up being important.

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    How about that police officer? That was building up too something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.S View Post
    Quite frankly there's alot left to explain on JMS's behalf regarding the stuff going on in The Other and it's mystical loose ends so I'm wondering if he'll actually attempt to answer them all. There's also the "Spider dreaming of becoming the man" and the reflection of his accepting of the spider aspect of his powers in Amazing Spider-Man #527 which facinated me to no end as it practically spells out his new status quo.
    I know JMS likes to write COMPLETE stories. Babolyn 5 was set for a 5 year story. Rising Stars was a predetermined Begining, middle, and end. The idea that he has hanging threads throughout his run indicates to me he plans to tie them up.

    He didn't get kicked off the book did he? He's leaving of his own accord? Then I doubt he'll leave before he finishes "his" story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberman View Post
    One fun thing I just realized about the dream sequence. "Ye olde villain costume shoppe" foreshadowed the guy who ran a costume shop for heroes & villains in Amazing Spider-MAn #502.

    JMS is the type of guy who will sprinkle his book with these types of clues.
    That was another cool one as well.

    Incidentally, I do believe there's a reason we've yet to see Peter's exact diagnosis. It may end up being important.
    Yeah I'm still expecting this to be adressed in a more detailed manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    I know JMS likes to write COMPLETE stories. Babolyn 5 was set for a 5 year story. Rising Stars was a predetermined Begining, middle, and end. The idea that he has hanging threads throughout his run indicates to me he plans to tie them up.

    He didn't get kicked off the book did he? He's leaving of his own accord? Then I doubt he'll leave before he finishes "his" story.
    I just thought he was going to get a year or more extension to tie up whatever loose ends he had but if he can develop and tie them up in his run with Joe Quesada then that's pretty cool too.

    It'll be interesting to see if he either answers them fully and ends it there or only answers some and leaves them to the following writer. Peter David picked up the stuff from The Other and developed his new supporting school characters which is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    I know JMS likes to write COMPLETE stories. Babolyn 5 was set for a 5 year story. Rising Stars was a predetermined Begining, middle, and end. The idea that he has hanging threads throughout his run indicates to me he plans to tie them up.

    He didn't get kicked off the book did he? He's leaving of his own accord? Then I doubt he'll leave before he finishes "his" story.
    He's explicitly said that he's leaving the book of his own accord, so he can spend more time on Thor, Squadron Supreme, and several upcoming smaller projects.

    Given that he gets Amazing Spider-man on the Top ten lists several years into his run, and the November 2006 issue sold over 20,000 more than FNSM & Sensational Spider-Man combined) Marvel had no legitimate reason to boot him off the book.

    He didn't go into the books with an absolute plan (ie- knowing what would happen in the 33rd issue of his run as he was writing his second issue) as he admit that several tie-ins/ crossovers (the New Avengers/ Civil War tie-ins come to mind) had little to do with the big stories he was developing.

    One more thing....
    Since Sarah/ Gabriel in Sins Past were first meant to be Peter's children, and that idea got rejected, they probably weren't part of the story JMS was working on when he began his work on the series. So I just don't see him revisiting them in his final ten issues.

    Wiederman on the other hand may return, just because unlike other JMS Spider-Man villains, he was left alive at the end of the series. And I believe he was also left in the hands of Tony Stark, who recently became an enemy of Spider-Man. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    As much as I like his ID public, I must admit, Loki doing Spidey a favour sounds cool.....
    A lot of people here are saying that if the Loki loose end does come up, then Loki will definitely screw Peter over. I dont see that happening. Loki must have had to suck up a lot of his ego to allow Peter to help him, and if Peter was able to survive the power of that being who attacked him, why would he want to piss Peter off? Secondly at the end of the arc it seemed like Loki had a lot of respect for Peter, so why is everyone assuming that Loki will definitely screw him over?
    I know Loki is the god of yadda yadda yadda but if Peter could have a normal convo with Norman about plane crashs and whatever else, then why cant he have Loki's respect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnakeEater View Post
    A lot of people here are saying that if the Loki loose end does come up, then Loki will definitely screw Peter over. I dont see that happening. Loki must have had to suck up a lot of his ego to allow Peter to help him, and if Peter was able to survive the power of that being who attacked him, why would he want to piss Peter off? Secondly at the end of the arc it seemed like Loki had a lot of respect for Peter, so why is everyone assuming that Loki will definitely screw him over?
    I know Loki is the god of yadda yadda yadda but if Peter could have a normal convo with Norman about plane crashs and whatever else, then why cant he have Loki's respect?
    Loki is egotistical and would be completly unimpressed with Spideys power, and certainly not AFRAID of him. Its his nature to screw with THOR and ODIN for heavens sake.

    Also your comment about Loki sucking up his Ego to ask for help. I imagine that is STILL bothering him. I'm surprised he wouldn't just smite Spiderman for the audacity of needing a mortals help.... Y'know much like Doom might ;)

    Also don't forget the Parker luck, Y'know other than being a genious, with kick butt powers and gorgeous women fighing over him.... Nothing goes easy for Pete. If there is a CHANCE that Loki will screw him over, Its going to happen. :)
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    Well, isn't it obvious?


    MJ is killed. Pete goes to Loki, asks for him, as a favor, to "Bring back the woman I love."


    Loki brings Gwen Stacy back from the dead, comic fans across the world commit ritual suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nintendite View Post
    Well, isn't it obvious?

    MJ is killed. Pete goes to Loki, asks for him, as a favor, to "Bring back the woman I love."

    Loki brings Gwen Stacy back from the dead, comic fans across the world commit ritual suicide.
    Only if JMS took a page out of Joss Whedon's book. :)


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    JMS recently confirmed a few things about the final story, and its relationship with his past work at a comic convention.
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    Audience member: Spider Man is supposed to meet three, strange, supernatural things to confirm his totemic powers, has he met the third one yet?

    JMS: Not as such.

    Audience question: For Amazing Spider Man 500, the Happy Birthday arc? Really, great story, it kind of foreshadowed a little bit Civil War. The detective’s name, the cape hunter unit, did the One More Day storyline have anything to do with that?

    JMS: There is a point where that arc does intersect with the One More Day arc in Spider Man, yeah, but I can’t tell you what that is yet.

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    And there I was thinking that I was the only one who remembered that Loki owes Peter a favour. I would love...and I mean LOVE to see this story thread come full circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Confessor View Post
    And there I was thinking that I was the only one who remembered that Loki owes Peter a favour. I would love...and I mean LOVE to see this story thread come full circle.
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    Theres a reason why Morluns back. He didn't come back to life. The first time Morlun came, somebody said that there is more than one Morlun. There are hundreds, and they are called the ancient ones.
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