Superman 2000 Proposal?

[JoshuaB]

I heard that Grand Morrison had a proposal for Superman several years back (well, um, I'd guess somewhere around 2000)...does anyone know what was in the proposal?

[dupersuper]

I'd heard he, Mark Waid, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer proposed getting rid of the marriage, but having Supes be the only 1 who remembers it.

[umbc8]

Yeah, Brainiac was supposed to do something that caused the entire world to forget that Lois Lane and Clark Kent were married, and Lois would no longer remember that Clark is Superman.

Rumor has it that they were told no mostly because they didn't want the names on the creative teams to be bigger than the character. Then they went and got Jeph Loeb, if that makes sense.

Personally, while it would be interesting to see what they would have done with it, I'm glad they didn't get the books. I prefer them married in-continuity.

[PatrickG]

Waid has disavowed some of that. And some of that was apparently in Loeb's proposal so there may be a mixup.

Among the things I have heard...

Superman keeping a journal on a hydrogen atom, inscribed with heat vision. Metallo with a Red Kryptonite heart.

The only thing I know for sure was that Andy Kubert was looked at as an artist and that Morrison redesigned the S-logo. (His redesign was in the preview art of All-Star Superman.)

I have a sketch that Morrison drew for me of Superman with the revised emblem.

[Spider-Man]

Patrick, are you Patrick Gerard from Comic Bloc?

If so, this is Chris, aka Vader.

Can you post a pic of that sketch for us?

Spidey

[RAman]

http://theages.superman.ws/History/2000/

This is what everyone's talking about. I've always thought it was a good idea, although I prefer having Clark and Lois stay together.

[PatrickG]

Patrick, are you Patrick Gerard from Comic Bloc?

If so, this is Chris, aka Vader.

Can you post a pic of that sketch for us?

Spidey

Yes, I am...

As for the sketch, it's in storage with some old stuff at my parents' house. I'll try to get it when I'm home for Christmas.

[J. Robb]

This is what everyone's talking about. I've always thought it was a good idea, although I prefer having Clark and Lois stay together.

Yeah, there's no reason "a forward-looking, intelligent, enthusiastic hero retooled to address the challenges of the next thousand years, the ultimate American icon revitalized for the new millennium as an aspirational figure, a role model for 21st Century global humanity" has to be single.

I realize that in most serialized fiction (be it comics, TV, whatever) the lead characters are ultimately kept single to keep their options open, not tie them down and generally glamourize the single life, but that's the kind of trend I like to see Superman bucking. Finding a woman you love, marrying her and staying with her isn't exactly considered "cool", but Superman isn't about "cool". And that's what's cool about him.

[Jack Zodiac]

The !@#$% it is! He's everything you'll never be. A faithful husband, a perfect hero, an all-around decent human being. That's why he's cool. You could only dream of being as cool as Superman.

[CaptainAwesome]

Yeah, there's no reason "a forward-looking, intelligent, enthusiastic hero retooled to address the challenges of the next thousand years, the ultimate American icon revitalized for the new millennium as an aspirational figure, a role model for 21st Century global humanity" has to be single.

I realize that in most serialized fiction (be it comics, TV, whatever) the lead characters are ultimately kept single to keep their options open, not tie them down and generally glamourize the single life, but that's the kind of trend I like to see Superman bucking. Finding a woman you love, marrying her and staying with her isn't exactly considered "cool", but Superman isn't about "cool". And that's what's cool about him.

For that matter, why shouldnt he have a kid? So many people have a mad on for this new kid in Action, but I dont see why. I know this is off topic and I dont want to start a whole argument about the merrits of a super-son, but I agree with you in that Superman should not have to conform to whats "cool" to be a role model for the 21st century.

[Spider-Man]

The !@#$% it is! He's everything you'll never be. A faithful husband, a perfect hero, an all-around decent human being. That's why he's cool. You could only dream of being as cool as Superman.

Wow.

I really hope you're joking.

If not, I suggest looking up the word "fiction" and then getting back to us all.

Spidey

[jaguarshark]

For memory, Morrison was actually in favour of keeping the marriage, but, shockingly, "that arch iconoclast" Mark Waid wanted to revert to tradition. I could be remembering that wrong, though.

I like the idea of a married Superman, and I'm loving the kid in Action Comics. I really hope they keep him, even though it seems clear that they won't. I think it's a great idea for Supes to have an adopted child, and for that child to actually be Kryptonian is just icing on the cake.

[Jack Zodiac]

Wow.

I really hope you're joking.

If not, I suggest looking up the word "fiction" and then getting back to us all.

Spidey

Yep, gotta' love that Internet.

[Jack Zodiac]

For memory, Morrison was actually in favour of keeping the marriage, but, shockingly, "that arch iconoclast" Mark Waid wanted to revert to tradition. I could be remembering that wrong, though.

I like the idea of a married Superman, and I'm loving the kid in Action Comics. I really hope they keep him, even though it seems clear that they won't. I think it's a great idea for Supes to have an adopted child, and for that child to actually be Kryptonian is just icing on the cake.

If they actually go through with it instead of making it a cheap gimmick to cash in on the... uh, success?... of the film, then I could appreciate it.

[Person Man]

Why isn't the full text of the proposal available anywhere, anyways? I mean, we have Alan Moore's "Twilight" thing in full, why not this?