Batman Forever wasn't that bad.

[WoodenDummy]

It had 2 tough acts to follow and other than some bad moments I think it's a good film.

It started getting a little to close to camp Batman but it still has some great lines and a great soundtrack.

[Paul Dee]

It started getting a little to close to camp Batman but it still has some great lines and a great soundtrack.

If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

[Joe Acro]

"Batman's a terrible movie!"

"No, it's not!"

"It only has a few good spots."

[Paul Dee]

You could say that about most of the posts on this Batman forum at the minute though. Another 5 Hush threads? Sure? Jason Todd? Why not, lets have loads of threads on him too!

It is quite annoying

[WoodenDummy]

If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

No one makes films like Burton so I don't see how it could ever follow the style of the first two.

I was talking about the Seal song in fact, but I stand by what I said. It wasn't that bad I just watched it randomly and really didn't mind it.

I didn't say it was a underrated classic that should be praised. I said it wasn't that bad.

[Lorendiac]

If that's all you can say then I don't even think that you believe yourself. It's not a good film at all, it fails to understand the characters it presents, it's too over-the-top and completely betrays the style of the first movie (which, to be fair, had already been diluted in ...Returns). A few good lines and that U2 song don't change that much.

I liked it quite a bit. (Looking back on it, it may have been Jim Carrey as Edward Nigma that I particularly liked.) I don't think I ever expected it to follow the style of the first (or second) movies anyway, so what did I care if it went off in a different direction instead?

By the way, could you be a bit more specific on the part about "failing to understand" the characters? (I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying that if you mention a particular case of how a character was mishandled, it will be a lot easier for us to understand what you're getting at with that comment!)

[Choppa]

^Well one big example IMO is when he lectures Dick on what happens to you when you kill someone. He basically says that his motivation for being Batman is because once he killed his parents' murderer, he couldn't fight the urge to continue seeking out someone else to get revenge on.

[stillanerd]

I liked it quite a bit. (Looking back on it, it may have been Jim Carrey as Edward Nigma that I particularly liked.) I don't think I ever expected it to follow the style of the first (or second) movies anyway, so what did I care if it went off in a different direction instead?

Well, Jim Carrey's version of the Riddler was basically was a very VERY hyperized version of Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler from the campy 60s Batman TV series--which I liked BTW. And while it did actually try to focus more on the character of Bruce Wayne, it still, just like the other Batman films prior to Begins, allowed the villains to run the show. Jim Carrey wasn't bad but Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face? Talk about a bastarization of Batman's most psychologically complex villain.

[jaguarshark]

^Well one big example IMO is when he lectures Dick on what happens to you when you kill someone. He basically says that his motivation for being Batman is because once he killed his parents' murderer, he couldn't fight the urge to continue seeking out someone else to get revenge on.

That works for me. It's as good a reason as any for Batman's non-killing policy. Sure, simple human decency and morals enter into it too, but that particular aspect was more relevant to Dick at the time.

[Choppa]

That works for me. It's as good a reason as any for Batman's non-killing policy. Sure, simple human decency and morals enter into it too, but that particular aspect was more relevant to Dick at the time.

But you know that Batman doesn't kill right?

[TheLazy]

Batman Begins was the first bat movie, if I keep telling myself that it must be true.

[Chris N]

Batman Begins was the first bat movie, if I keep telling myself that it must be true.

Telling yourself won't make it true. Your beliefs don't affect reality.

The first Batman movie was entitled Mask of the Phantasm. Batman Begins was clearly the second. I look forward to the third.

[Chris N]

In response to the thread, if your argument is that Forever is a better movie than Batman & Robin, you may be onto something.

If your argument is it's better than watching static for 2 hours, I'm not convinced.

I will give you that, when it came out and I was young, I thought the opening credits were really exciting and energizing. It then proceeded downhill.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

I will give you that, when it came out and I was young, I thought the opening credits were really exciting and energizing. It then proceeded downhill.

That sounds like life to me. Exciting at first but then it just sort of goes down the s bend.

[Santanico]

Because there's no point whatsoever in getting embroiled once again in the great "such-and-such Batman movie really sucked" debate, I'll just say that the gif Joe Acro provided just might be my favorite thing ever.