what if they did kill nightwing in the last crisis

[IamtheRock3]

what would you think the fan reaction would be

And what would be the story fall out.

[Drink]

Well, it's pretty clear that the Wingnuts would have lost it. And if the media got hold of the fact Dick Grayson died, there might have been some severe backlash.

As for stories though, Bruce Jones's run might have been more sense, as would Nightwing's earlier depiction in Outsiders. Tim being adopted by Bruce would have made more sense than it did, especially since Tim had gone to extreme lengths to prevent it before. And of course, they wouldn't have needed to explain how/why the engagment with Barbara was called off, for obvious reasons.

It may have overly complicated things, but hey, we still get Nightwing....:rolleyes:

[Jack Zodiac]

Honestly, after seeing Winick drag him through the dirt in Outsiders (even before the original decision to kill him) and Jones' run on Nightwing, Dick would've been better off dead. Now, he's got no "Gotham City," as Blüdhaven was destroyed, he's got a crap super team, a psychopathic "little brother," another kick in the crotch to his relationship with Barbara, and a cornrowed albino telling him he should be dead.

If they would've killed him, yeah, a lot of fans would've been pissed (and they were, which is why it didn't go down), but it would've been worth it. Tim would be in a more secure place to be adopted by Bruce, and for what it's worth (which isn't very !@#$% much), Jason would have had a place in the DCU. Dick would have died a noble "Crisis death," just like Conner, Barry, and Kara Zor-El.

However, I'm glad he isn't dead. I like Nightwing, and now that the Wolfman's on the book, it's getting much better. One day, hopefully, DC will grow a pair and really graduate their heroes and let Dick become Batman (ten, fifteen, or twenty years from now), and the decision to keep him alive would've been worth it.

[TROUBLEZ]

I think the Nightwing fans would go crazy too. There must not be many of them if Dan Didio wanted to cancel the book, but the ones that he does have must be hard core. Anyway, I don't think the media would have noticed as it would have been the death of "Nightwing" and not Robin.

The fallout story wise would have had Jason playing a bigger role in Batman, either as a villain or anti-hero, and the Death of Robin (Jason), as a big part of Batman, would be replaced with the Death of Robin (Dick). The glass case might have Dick's original costume along with the Nightwing garb.

Me personally I'm glad he didn't die. 2 Robins have already died, and one came back from the dead, so if he died, the Batman history would sound silly and soap operatic. The only reason they wanted to kill off Nightwing is because his book wasn't selling well, and since he's not a sellable character, we can sell even more books of Crisis if we include the "Death of a Major Character/Hero."
If he doesn't sell books, just cancell is book. Don't have to kill him. Jason/Robin died. Let's stick with that concept and not have a league of Robins popping up and then dying, then being resurrected.

[yourverysilly]

(personally) Fucking pissed off, for one. Nightwing kicks fucking ass.
and the results for Batman would be devestating. If your on a batman comic book forum, then I obviously don't need to tell you how much Dick means to Bruce (yeah, yeah gay jokes to follow, ha ha)
Two interesting examples spring to mind, Hush where Batman says that Dick has earned the right to speak to him without fear (god I love hush) and if you look in the scarecrow tales tbp, the last story, where batman recives multiple fear gas hallucinations of various people dieing, when sasha says "I got a call from Bludhaven PD, it's dick..." Bats just replies "No. Next."

[Paperghost]

then I obviously don't need to tell you how much Dick means to Bruce

...now you've gone and done it, I just interfaced my tea with my monitor.

[Buried Alien]

There's no way it could have happened. If Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are the "Big Three" of the DC Universe, then Dick Grayson (be he Robin or Nightwing) is the DCU's fourth main pillar. I'd argue that Dick is more integral to the DCU's history than Wonder Woman is. Moreover, unlike the Flash or Green Lantern, who could and were successfully replaced with newer characters going by those names, Dick Grayson is *not* replaceable by a Jason Todd or a Tim Drake. Robin can be replaced. Maybe even Nightwing can be replaced. Not Dick Grayson, however.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Bry]

I'd agree with the above poster, if you look back at all those old "World Finest" issues it had Bruce, Dick and Clark on it if they had killed Robin in the comics I tell you they would've bit the bullet hard. Of course now they're tryin to give the guy direction and people are still irritated because they don't like the change!! go figure..fanboys

[mattx110]

umm.. hopefully the price of TPBs of all of chuck dixon's run on the book would go down in price or something... i've only got up the the low teens.

[IamtheRock3]

also think about the backlash when kyle replace Hal


Now times that by 10 when Jason todd replace Dick. And I LIKE Jason.

[elias_A]

One day, hopefully, DC will grow a pair and really graduate their heroes and let Dick become Batman (ten, fifteen, or twenty years from now), and the decision to keep him alive would've been worth it.

Your remark made me think seriously for the first time what if DC decided to have their heroes aging "real time", i.e. a new Batman taking over from his predecessor every 20 years or so.

I think I heard Byrne's generations series was about something like this, right? Was it any good?

[Lorendiac]

what would you think the fan reaction would be

And what would be the story fall out.

I know exactly what my fan reaction would have been (but I won't try to speak for anyone else).

If Dick had definitely been dead and buried at the end of "Infinite Crisis #7" my reaction would be: "Hey, everybody! I'm starting up a Poll on how long he will stay dead! Less than one year? Less than two? Less than five? Less than ten? Or, as an extreme case, you can click on the option that says he will STILL be dead and buried, twenty years from now!" :)

I'm serious about my reaction. I would be a tad unhappy, but I'd also take it for granted that it wouldn't last in the long run, so why get ridiculously stressed over what was obviously just a Temporary Stunt?

[nuclearman]

Would have been very disappointing.. thank the infinite crisis gods they didn't.

[kel25]

I remember reading a wizard issue that they were speculating on the events in the crisis. One of them was four characters and who would die in the event. I saw Nightwing in there and thought that there would be no way they would even consider him. Dick is an Icon and his series was near issue 100. Very few series last that long.

To my surprise a few months later I find that he was slated to be killed and with what happened to Batgirl and several other DC characters I honestly feel that Didio is one of the worst things to happen to DC comics.

As a fan I would be pissed that they killed him. Sure I would know it was temporary. But if they killed my favorite DC character would mean I would drop all DC comics for several years, even if they brought him back from the dead. Just because of the horrible stuff going on with DC I dropped everything and am only debating to comeback now that Marv is on Nightwing and ONLY for that title.

[The Shadow]

what if they did kill nightwing in the last crisis

If Jason Todd, who was almost universally reviled when he died, can come back I don't think Dick's return would have been too long in coming.

In other words it wouldn't have mattered... at all.