Question About Ultimate Spidey's Strength

[Herrick]

So I'm reading #9 or #10 and King Pin was basically able to slap Spider-Mang around. Now...I don't think this is anything new, because I the King Pin in the regular Marvel Universe could "hold his own" against Spider-Mang (according to Wikipedia). Perhaps Spider-Mang is significantly weaker than regular Spider-Mang?

I'll never forget the line, "I crushed this steel pipe as if it were paper!" from the original Spider-Mang story. Spidey's supposed to be very strong...far stronger than a regular humang. Yes, King Pin is much, much stronger than the average humang but strong enough to take on regular & Ultimate Spider-Mang? What is the meaning of this?!

[MaxofSteel]

I would assume since Ultimate Spidey is 15 (or 16) years old, he'd be much weaker than an adult 616 Spidey. That's just my own logic, but I colud be wrong.

[ednemo]

It comes down to mass. A 400 lb person can easily move a 150 lb person by distribution of force via mass. Spider-Man's strength come from extra strong muscle fibers. Kingpin's strength comes from extreme mass and normal muscle. So, the Kingpin could easily throw Spider-Man around. But, Spider-Man while being able to possibly punch a hole through the Kingpin, he would be unable to withstand the sheer mass of the Kingpin.

[Locue]

I would assume since Ultimate Spidey is 15 (or 16) years old, he'd be much weaker than an adult 616 Spidey. That's just my own logic, but I colud be wrong.

I'd say it's very much correct. I can't see Ultimate Spidey lift the whole Daily Bugle building like the 616 Spidey did some time during the Clone Saga.

Ultimate Spidey's powers seems to be more "agile-based" than "the proportional strength of a spider-based" or whatever.

[kudlaty_true]

I'd say it's very much correct. I can't see Ultimate Spidey lift the whole Daily Bugle building like the 616 Spidey did some time during the Clone Saga.

What? There was never some time like that. Spidey never lifted whole building. Not to mention the Daily bugle tower'like building. This building was flying only two times and both of that was made by gravityman (or whatever his name is) - I mean the FF foe.

Oh wait, maybe you are thinking of that time, when he was under the debris, under the Daily bugle. He didn't lifted the whole building then, he crawled out through the pipes, cement and such stuff.

[Herrick]

I would assume since Ultimate Spidey is 15 (or 16) years old, he'd be much weaker than an adult 616 Spidey. That's just my own logic, but I colud be wrong.

That makes sense, but the Spider-Mang of 616 (regular Marvel Universe) was incredibly strong when he first gained his powers while he was in high school. Now...that was written what 40 years ago? Maybe Marvel has changed that. I don't know, since I don't know a lot about Marvel Universe.

It comes down to mass. A 400 lb person can easily move a 150 lb person by distribution of force via mass. Spider-Man's strength come from extra strong muscle fibers. Kingpin's strength comes from extreme mass and normal muscle. So, the Kingpin could easily throw Spider-Man around. But, Spider-Man while being able to possibly punch a hole through the Kingpin, he would be unable to withstand the sheer mass of the Kingpin.

In #10, Spider-Mang hits the King Pin's chest and says, "Ow". Then King Pin grabs him, then Spidey kicks King Pin in the face. Those strikes had no effect on the King Pin. This is what I don't understand. Does that sort of thing happen in the normal Marvel Universe? I'm asking cause I've never read a face off between regular Spider-Mang and King Pin.

Sorry mangs. I don't know if I'm using the correct terms. I'm new to this. When I say "regular", I mean the non-Ultimate version of Spider-Mang and King Pin.

[Chris S.]

What? There was never some time like that. Spidey never lifted whole building. Not to mention the Daily bugle tower'like building. This building was flying only two times and both of that was made by gravityman (or whatever his name is) - I mean the FF foe.

Oh wait, maybe you are thinking of that time, when he was under the debris, under the Daily bugle. He didn't lifted the whole building then, he crawled out through the pipes, cement and such stuff.

I actually believe he is refering to the time in The Gathering of Five in which peter does actually hold the entire Bugle up, and lifts a little. I am actually not sure if the building was the Bugle, but I believe it was.

[MaxofSteel]

I actually believe he is refering to the time in The Gathering of Five in which peter does actually hold the entire Bugle up, and lifts a little. I am actually not sure if the building was the Bugle, but I believe it was.

Yea I remeber that ish. But I don't think he was hold up the entire building per se. He was acting as a support column. I think Spidey even says that while he's holding it.

[Canemacar]

He was propping a section of the building IIRC, not lifting the whole thing.

[ednemo]

That makes sense, but the Spider-Mang of 616 (regular Marvel Universe) was incredibly strong when he first gained his powers while he was in high school. Now...that was written what 40 years ago? Maybe Marvel has changed that. I don't know, since I don't know a lot about Marvel Universe.



In #10, Spider-Mang hits the King Pin's chest and says, "Ow". Then King Pin grabs him, then Spidey kicks King Pin in the face. Those strikes had no effect on the King Pin. This is what I don't understand. Does that sort of thing happen in the normal Marvel Universe? I'm asking cause I've never read a face off between regular Spider-Mang and King Pin.

Sorry mangs. I don't know if I'm using the correct terms. I'm new to this. When I say "regular", I mean the non-Ultimate version of Spider-Mang and King Pin.

1. I don't get the Spider-Mang reference. I really don't. I thought it was a typo at first, but I see you are doing it on purpose. So what does that refer to? (Damn, I ended that sentence with a preposition!)

2. Spider-Man was using standard punches and kicks. Spider-Man could easily lift the Kingpin, but 150 lbs of Spider-Man punching the Kingpin would cause his body to go backwards due to the movement of weight and mass. However, with the proper training, he could set himself up (bracing his body and using his weight to use his increased strength to strike).

3. I like cheese. I really do. In fact, I am now going into the kitchen and make myself a grilled cheese. No, wait...let me see if my wife will make one for me...Nope, I have to make it myself...and make her one.

[mattx110]

He was propping a section of the building IIRC, not lifting the whole thing.

isn't that enough. concrete is pretty dense. so is steel. i'm not gonna estimate the weight has was carrying, but well... it seems like a lot.

[MaxofSteel]

Sorry mangs. I don't know if I'm using the correct terms. I'm new to this. When I say "regular", I mean the non-Ultimate version of Spider-Mang and King Pin.

I wasn't sure which terms to use at first either, but in reading these forums I found out that "regular" is said as "616". Though I'm still not sure why.:o

Also, when speaking of Ultimate characters, the abbreviation "U" or "Ult" before the name always works too. Its a time saver. But I guess that's pretty obvious anyway. :D

[Person Man]

616 refers to Earth-616, first mentioned in some Captain Britain comic as the designation of the mainstream Marvel earth. There are a ton of others, most of them alternate timelines or "What-If" stories. There's a designation for Ultimate Marvel earth, but it's rarely used.

[Chris S.]

616 refers to Earth-616, first mentioned in some Captain Britain comic as the designation of the mainstream Marvel earth. There are a ton of others, most of them alternate timelines or "What-If" stories. There's a designation for Ultimate Marvel earth, but it's rarely used.

Yea isn't it 1616 or something. The whole idea works well. 616 is a good term.

All I have to say regarding this is that it is a comic. If Spidey had easily taken down the kingpin it wouldn't have been that great. The battle went beyond this. Peter used his brain and caught a criminal at his own game. That was better then any over powered beating I can imigine.

[carabas]

Ult. Spider-Man early on clobbered the Hulk witha car (and then whined about him not staying down).

The wrong question is being asked here. It's not about how strong is Spider-Man, it's about how tough is Ultimate Kingpin if you ask me.