A change for Tim Drake

[knightsintights]

Ok so how old is Tim Drake? He seemed older to me during knightfall than now. Everytime I see him now he seems to be being drawn younger. Even in Comic time, knightfall was at least 5 years ago.

Is he still in High School? or College?

I have heard Tim will end up taking the mantle of the Bat in the future, but for now, dont you guys think it is about time for Tim to get a new identity, like Dick did in becoming Nightwing.

Thats what they should have done, and let Stephanie Brown be the new Robin instead of killing her off.

[Damo]

You've got it backwards. DC is hardcore against the idea of making Batman look older. It's one of the main reasons they wanted Nightwing dead - he was a constant reminder of how old Batman is. If anything I'd say they're going to use the "New Earth" after IC to say that Tim is younger than we thought.

And any rumors that Tim is going to take on the mantle are made up by fans that want to sound important.

[Kaos]

I swear Tim is like..16...but he's crazy short 5'6 or sumin...I was never 5'6 at 16...shorty

[wes_rk]

wow, everybody is pretty tall, this same idea came up at the dc boards, is it so hard to accept that Tim is shorter than what we might think? If we go by what wikipedia says (not very reliable, but still) is says
here that the average height for a non-hispanic white is 5' 10.2". So yeah, Tim will definitely be under the national average... is it really THAT hard to accept?


Besides, DC is slowly, but surely, de-aging him, because, like Damo pointed out, DC is trying to keep Batman from aging.

[David Atkins]

I guess that is one good thing about these 'Year One' and rehashed 'First Time' books. They could, potentially, create room for a character like Batman to grow, evolve, and age while still keeping the character timeless/ageless.

If they were being used like that, my dislike for them would be greatly diminished.

And I actually like the idea of Tim Drake aging and possibly becoming the next Batman. That would be very cool. Maybe then the Flash wouldn't be the only legacy character that works.

[Agentum]

It's very short for a male, but if he is just 16 he can still grow some more.

[The Xenos]

Well, I'm not sure how old Tim is. Tim is as tall as each artist draws him.

As for going to school. Give the kid a break. He lived in Gotham. He kept changing schools, which clearly must have held him back. Plus it was Gotham, so you had plauges and quakes and various catastophes to mess up the school year. Plus he and his dad, who's now dead anyway, had problems settling down. So as for the school thing, who knows? Hell, with me and my friends in college, between us messing up and the school screwing over students, we gave up counting years and names for them.

[Rylon]

Ok so how old is Tim Drake?

I've put his recent appearences at about 16 or 17.

He seemed older to me during knightfall than now.

Really? I've always put Tim at 15 or 16 during Knightfall. IIRC, he was 14 in A Lonely Place of Dying. His first min taks place about 15 and Knighfall happens early in his career. (Well, for a comic character.) DC really took some baby steps to get Tim to be Robin. He had three solo minis. The first took place in Europe, away from Batman and Gotham alltogether, the second in Gotham with Batman away, and the last in Gotham with Batman available. Knightfall was used to give Robin his own series. Even Dick didn't have his own series back then.

Everytime I see him now he seems to be being drawn younger. Even in Comic time, knightfall was at least 5 years ago.

Hmmm. He maybe drawn younger, I can't tell anymore. Tim stoped aging after Knightfall, so refrence points are hard to find.

[quoteIs he still in High School? or College?[/quote]Clearly he's still in High School.

[tangent]Most atempts to give Tim a normal life meet with failure. Does anyone remember his 1st girlfriend? The Russian from the 3rd mini? When he got the regular series, Chuck couldn't get rid of her fast enough.[/tangent]

I have heard Tim will end up taking the mantle of the Bat in the future, but for now, dont you guys think it is about time for Tim to get a new identity, like Dick did in becoming Nightwing.

Tim was origionaly created to be Robin. If you read Batman: Year 3 and it's sequal A Lonely Place of Dying, Tim makes it clear that Batman needs Robin and the point of the story is that Tim is designed to be Robin, and Tim wanted to do nothing else. Dick was supposed to be the clear sucsessor.

Way back when, DC did an annual crossver where Waverider went around touching Superheroes and watching their futures to see if they would become the evil dictator. Of the future stories had Tim quit Robin to become a politition. Later, he wore the Robin costume again on one last case with Batman. The message DC wanted to send out was clear: Tim is only going to be Robin. Really, it was almost a sledge hammer.

But recently, in Teen Titans, it's being sugesteded that Tim is going to replace Batman, not Dick. So Tim's role in the DCU has obviously changed.

But, in reality...

And any rumors that Tim is going to take on the mantle are made up by fans that want to sound important.

I don't know if they want to sound important, but there is definaly no truth to them. DC will permanently replace Bruce Wayne as Batman.

Thats what they should have done, and let Stephanie Brown be the new Robin instead of killing her off.

While I don't have a problem with Spoiler as Robin, I'm going to agree with Damo: DC dosen't want Batman to pile-up Robins because it will cause fans to think Bruce is old.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

So did he hook up with Ariana Dzerchenko at 12 then?

Continuity is stuffed already.

He's old enough to have done the business with Spoiler and her to be reproductively viable.

I don't think they had them having sex at 11.

And if you tell me that stuff is out of continuity I'm leaving.

[Brack360]

Tim was established as 16 prior to One Year Later (he turned 16 during Jon Lewis' run), so he should be 17 now. However, comic book characters, especially teen characters, do not always age in real time. As others have said, it would be difficult for them to age Tim any further without pushing Batman into his forties.

Tim was 13 or 14 during "Knightfall" and the early years of his own title. He was able to get his driver's license at a younger age because his father was handicapped and he had t drive him around.

[Damo]

Bye Ten!

No, seriously, I think DC's second most likely response (other than ignoring all of it together and putting their fingers in their ears when you say "shouldn't he be older?") will be that all those things we read about happened... just faster. Things that we thought took months actually took weeks, things we thought took weeks took days, etc. etc. He'll still have started at about 13, but he won't have had that 16th Birthday party he thought he had before the OYL jump.

But the most likely response will be to keep it all in continuity and just ignore the fact that he really should be older after all those things that have happened to him. Just send out a memo that reads "okay, you're not allowed say the word "Birthday" or anything else that implies large amounts of time have passed".

[Kaos]

he was thirteen when he started, and xenos I'm just saying that height cos I read somewhere he was about 5'5" or sumin....cos impulse was TINY and then superboy was 5'7" :| he's never gonna get to supes height being 5'7" at 16....swear down..my brother is 5'8" and he's thirteen..lol

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Bye Ten!

No, seriously, I think DC's second most likely response (other than ignoring all of it together and putting their fingers in their ears when you say "shouldn't he be older?") will be that all those things we read about happened... just faster. Things that we thought took months actually took weeks, things we thought took weeks took days, etc. etc. .

So Batman fought me during the 60s and mentioned the then current event of the Vietnam war and also fought the KGBeast in 1987 and mentioned Ronald Reagan....cool.

[Damo]

Shhh! As long as you don't talk about it too loudly, it happened!

[Buried Alien]

Frankly, I'm more than prepared to deal with the idea that Batman (and Superman, etc.) is around forty years old. These days, forty is the new thirty. Moreover, it's nice to think that all those adventures and experiences Batman has built up over the years have added up to something: greater wisdom and skill than he had when he started his career at age 25 (or whatever age it was he started). To artificially lock him at a younger age is to also force him to be a static character.

I'm glad that DC reconsidered the decision to kill Nightwing in INFINITE CRISIS. To kill such a popular, historic, and well-developed character just to keep Batman "youthful" would have been very wrongheaded.

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