The Giffen JLA hate continues!!

[Sean Walsh]

Regarding Scott Beatty and Rags Morales' upcoming Dr. Mid-Nite story in JSA CLASSIFIED:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=88346

NRAMA: ...getting back to JSA Classified, any final reasons you want to share with readers on why they should check out this story?

SB: Icemaiden skinned alive...

She's technically more of a post-Giffen JLAer, but from that same series so I make the stretch and yell loudly like a good interweb fanboy should. :p

[marshal99]

She's a wank gerard Jones era JLA replacement for Ice , not Giffen.

[the4thpip]

But I read her first appearance in SuperFriends when I was a wee lad.

I remember wondering how she would hug her children and kiss them good night if she had no body warmth at all (which was a major plot point in the book). Kids, eh?

[Agentum]

AND another non american hero dies.

I'm tired of this.

Must every story have a dead hero in it, is this what sells comics?

They already have killed of most of the non american heroes that has been used in JL.
And then they start a new JLA series again, thinking so small yet, don't they understand that the world is bigger than America.

Ok, i don't feel much for this character but i feel it's a waste, i hate when they later come up with som stupid reason to take the dead heroes back again.

Good storytelling dont need shit like this.

[Jack Zodiac]

I'm torn between my love of Dr. Mid-Nite and my complete disinterest in offing third-stringers.

[Buried Alien]

I don't think there's any more "hate" for the Giffen Justice League than there was for the Silver Age Justice League during the 1980s and 1990s when the classic Silver/Bronze Age Leaguers were getting trashed left and right.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Gnarl]

Yet another "Women in refridgerators" entry. When are writers going to stop writing stories they know will make them cringe later on?

[Lorendiac]

Yet another "Women in refridgerators" entry. When are writers going to stop writing stories they know will make them cringe later on?

Even granting the assumption about what they "know" in advance of its actually happening, the answer is probably: "When both the writers and the editors realize that market realities have changed to such a degree that such stories will no longer sell!"

So maybe in another 50 or 100 years? I don't see it happening much sooner!

[Agentum]

Maybe it's not hate, but more like the big wigs of DC doesn't like the era with JLI/E and so on, it shows.

I hope somebody in 10 years kill the new heroes they have created now :D

And it's probably just we readers from this era that care, reading forums like this most people really just read new comics and don't care for old ones even if there are runs out there that is superior to anything DC puts out now.

So big killing and raping events sells, no heroes will ever be retired, they will die instead.

I wonder if they will try to create new lesser heroes instead of the dead ones, i mean they are important.
You can't just wipe them away and only keep important american heroes(well maybe that is what most readers want).
I'm sad that the heroes from other parts of the world is shrinking so much leaving nothing intresting left.

I think it would be good for american readers to aknowledge that there is a big world out there with their own storys and heroes, there is so much more than america that can be used.
Yes i know people on this forum is a lot more open than other comic readers so maybe i'm wrong and it all would colapse if USA don't get to be superior alone.

The new JLA was a step in the wrong direction imho.

But i'm from Europe so i will of course care for this more, i like DCU to be a world, not DCAmerica.
I always have thought that pretending 90% of the heroes are americans was stupid, they wold be as many in other parts of the world, or what are they trying to say? that other people are to stupid/weak/chicken to be heroes, it's not all about metapowers.

I don't write this as a fact, it's just my opinion so don't get angry if you feel it's wrong:-D

[titanfan]

I don't think there's any more "hate" for the Giffen Justice League than there was for the Silver Age Justice League during the 1980s and 1990s when the classic Silver/Bronze Age Leaguers were getting trashed left and right.

I can't wait until the next age, when they start killing off the big gun Morrison JLAers!

[Astonishing X-Fan]

The worst part is the people who will scream "women in refridgerators!"

Seriously, male characters are humiliated and horribly killed just as much as females.

DC is an equal opportunity mutilator.

[stealthwise]

The worst part is the people who will scream "women in refridgerators!"

Seriously, male characters are humiliated and horribly killed just as much as females.

DC is an equal opportunity mutilator.

Eh... not with the same amount of frequency, given that there are FAR more prominent male characters.

[shyguy]

I don't think there's any more "hate" for the Giffen Justice League than there was for the Silver Age Justice League during the 1980s and 1990s when the classic Silver/Bronze Age Leaguers were getting trashed left and right.

Except when they drove Hal Jordan nuts, it wasn't done with a bunch of metacommentary on how bad old Green Lantern comics were and other little jabs that are frequently directed toward the Giffen JLA era (which, don't know you know, was all the - always evil - Maxwell Lord's nefarious scheme which somehow involved an "ineffectual" group of superheroes or whatever).

You have to ignore a lot of DC comics published in the past couple years to say that there isnt' some retroactive trashing of the Giffen JL going on.

Seriously, male characters are humiliated and horribly killed just as much as females.

Actually, not really. When you consider how there are comparitively fewer female characters running around the DCU, they sure do come to mind quickly when you think of the most awful things that DC has done to some of its characters (Alex in the refridgerator, Wonder Woman being strangled with her own lasso, Sue Dibny being retroactively raped and burned alive, Pantha getting her head punched off, Hippolye being burned to a crisp, etc.).

Being a woman in the DCU makes it a lot more likely that something pretty awful is going to happen to you at some point. Having been a prominent member of the Giffen Justice League means that something awful has probably already happened to you.

[the4thpip]

The worst part is the people who will scream "women in refridgerators!"

Seriously, male characters are humiliated and horribly killed just as much as females.

DC is an equal opportunity mutilator.

You're missing the point about WiR.

Women in comics are killed (and stuffed in refrigerators, thouh not always), or raped, or tortured, or maimed, to further the story of male heroes. Not in their own great stories.

You might notice that this is not an Ice Maiden comic book, but a Doc Midnight comic book.

Same way Killing Joke crippled Babs as a plot point in a Batman story, not a Batgirl story. Dinah was tortured and maimed (losing her super powers for a long time as a result) in a Green Arrow story, not a Black Canary story.
Check the original essay by Gail Simone. It's really not about "bad things happening" - it's about becoming suffering plot points in the men's stories.

[skally19]

uum. nightwing was raped. and uh. if you think writers have something against women, then i think that's kinda dumb. having problems with the killing joke cause it was babs who got crippled is dumb too. i hope i don't get banned for using dumb too much.