Effects of the Pro-regs Winning

**Aztec Ace** · 10-05-2006, 12:00 PM

So if and when the Pro-reg forces win the Civil War, does this fundmentally change the Marvel Universe. I mean under the said rules of Registration it will be impossible to have the same superhero enviroment as before the SHRA.

Example.
Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superhuman abilities. He registers as Peter Parker/Spider-man and as he is a minor he goes into a SHIELD run superhero training program. He never meets Mary Jane. Ben doesn't die. etc..etc....

**Exo** · 10-05-2006, 12:09 PM

Can't say exactly what will happen after the dust has settled. If the 50SI kicks in (involving alot cloning), there may not even be a need for superheroes (in the classic sense).

**Jmacq1** · 10-05-2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Exo

Can't say exactly what will happen after the dust has settled. If the 50SI kicks in (involving alot cloning), there may not even be a need for superheroes (in the classic sense).

Well, for that reason alone I'm fairly sure the "Fifty States Initiative" will not be implemented quite as originally envisioned. I'm still confident that the Pro-Reg side will win, but the terms and execution of the SHRA will be mitigated somewhat so as to allow for stories similar enough to what came before to occur. And certainly it doesn't retroactively change the history of various characters that have existed for the past 40 years of real-world time. It's really only completely "new" characters that will be significatly affected as far as their "life path" goes. For however long the SHRA lasts.

I think Captain America and much of his crew will still be "renegades" of a sort for a while. Much like the X-Men in the late 80's, they'll be intermittently "hunted" by the government and the government-sponsored superheroes, but they won't always be the "top priority". Eventually of course, they'll find one way or another to get back into the public's good graces. Particularly Captain America himself.

**jackolover** · 10-05-2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aztec Ace

So if and when the Pro-reg forces win the Civil War, does this fundmentally change the Marvel Universe. I mean under the said rules of Registration it will be impossible to have the same superhero enviroment as before the SHRA.

Example.
Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superhuman abilities. He registers as Peter Parker/Spider-man and as he is a minor he goes into a SHIELD run superhero training program. He never meets Mary Jane. Ben doesn't die. etc..etc....

Effects of... Well, if what they say about a World War 3 starting in MU, then it will probably be between the 50 SI clones, and the real heroes, until the heroes take over again, when the dust settles. So probably not so much effect in the end, if that comes about.

**John Doe Jnr** · 10-05-2006, 06:23 PM

If pro side wins then I sense a lot of limited story telling on the way.

**XPac** · 10-05-2006, 07:15 PM

Hmmm... it's an interesting question.

At this point I think it's fair to argue a fair percent of the MU seem ANTI. Having them locked up in the negative zone obviously won't make much of a series for them.

Having them hunted down by SHIELD and the PRO's is a nice short term story. But being the new status quo would sort of get old after a while.

If the registration survives, I think it'll have to be watered down to the point where the anti guys are exceptions (like Dr. Strange). Otherwise, I see the registration outright getting tossed out the window, with some sort of different system coming about to regulate the heroes (perhaps giving the community a change to regulate itself in a more organized manner).

I don't see the status quo completely returning... but I don't see the registration as it is now lasting either.

**Chris Thomas** · 10-05-2006, 07:38 PM

I think :

1. cap defects to canada and joins alpha flight

2. spidey takes off --perhaps lives life on the run?(spider man--where are you coming from? spider-man where are you going to? spider-man--everyone knows who you are!)

3. clor dies.

4. next year event--real thor returns mad. hulk returns mad. they smash. prison's unloaded. usa retracts reg act.

**Haunt** · 10-05-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Aztec Ace

So if and when the Pro-reg forces win the Civil War, does this fundmentally change the Marvel Universe. I mean under the said rules of Registration it will be impossible to have the same superhero enviroment as before the SHRA.

Example.
Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superhuman abilities. He registers as Peter Parker/Spider-man and as he is a minor he goes into a SHIELD run superhero training program. He never meets Mary Jane. Ben doesn't die. etc..etc....

i think that you are assuming a few things. for starters, Peter's situation is quite unique to superheroes. not all of them start out by hiding their identities. Jessica Jones didn't. the Fantastic Four didn't. and not all of them need to hide their identities. Matt Murdock chose to decieve the public so that he could keep his lawyer job and be a superhero. but if he were to grow up during registration, he could have both (like She-Hulk). and, even with registration, there will be those who hide from it. the new Ant-man doesn't seem to be signing any registration papers. and no way are the Punisher types going to register. they'll just finally be considered criminals.

**Vaal** · 10-05-2006, 09:35 PM

Like I said elsewhere: The idea of everyone either being on the run or an agent of SHIELD just disgusts me to my core.

Self-governance is the only sensical solution, but even then, I how someone in the comics finally points out to someone -- anyone; to the creepy stalker mom, to Osborn, hell, to Goliath's grave marker in that landfill Tony tossed him in -- that none of the things that triggered this round of mutan- er -- superhuman registration would have in any way been stopped by it.

But no, instead, I'm seeing the MU skidding on a fast track toward us actually having Days of Future Past as the actual 616 continuity.

Civil War #7:
Reed: Tony, behold! I've created a self repairing, self replicating hunter to track down anti-regs. I call it Nimrod!

**Butch Mapa** · 10-05-2006, 09:51 PM

If the pro reg side wins, the Marvel U will become much, much more
interesting. Heroes that are traditionally anti-establishment (Spidey, X-Men, Hulk) have always been more enagaging (for me at least) then the Avengers or the FF.

**The Charlatan** · 10-05-2006, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Aztec Ace

So if and when the Pro-reg forces win the Civil War, does this fundmentally change the Marvel Universe. I mean under the said rules of Registration it will be impossible to have the same superhero enviroment as before the SHRA.

Example.
Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains superhuman abilities. He registers as Peter Parker/Spider-man and as he is a minor he goes into a SHIELD run superhero training program. He never meets Mary Jane. Ben doesn't die. etc..etc....

Uh, that example doesn't make any sense to me, as the Pro- side winning would not retroactivaly effect everyone's past history. It's more like something from a "What If... the SHRA was put into place after Captain America and the other Golden Age heroes debuted?"

**Aztec Ace** · 10-06-2006, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by The Charlatan

Uh, that example doesn't make any sense to me, as the Pro- side winning would not retroactivaly effect everyone's past history. It's more like something from a "What If... the SHRA was put into place after Captain America and the other Golden Age heroes debuted?"

I didn't say that it would. I am saying that you could not tell the same types of stories and that under a SHRA enviroment Spiderman's genius would have be totally different.

**Arron** · 10-06-2006, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chris Thomas

I think :

1. cap defects to canada and joins alpha flight

Except you can't even own a shotgun in Canada without the Gov't and Police knowing who you are and where you are keeping it.

Bill C-68 would certainly cover energy beam shooting from people eyes as well! :p

In fact at one time didn't the MU Canada already HAVE superhero registration?! Or has this been conviniently forgotten.

**chrismileslord** · 10-06-2006, 01:52 PM

Is it just me, or every issue I just can't see the Pro Reg side winning. I mean, I would greatly lose interest in stories about superheroes that are paid and monitored by the government. I just can't see it happening.