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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts
    A year-long. jet packed West Coast version of Simon
    Ugh, sweet Jesus this was his worst costume of all time. I can't even bring myself to buy those WCA issues because of this.....abomination.

    Anyway, love the leisure suit and muscle shirt ones Ronnie so great work.

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    didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattx110
    didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?
    Well, 42 years this month, with 10 looks, it averages out to changing once every four years or so, but really he's had the same one since his return from the dead about 7 years ago, and is just now getting a "retro" version of an older costume he wore for 7 years before. Although he was dead for a time, his original remained his only costume for 13 years, and his most short lived uniforms lasted less than a year. Still... he's no Wasp. That chick is ridiculous... and Hank Pym has only been around a few more years than Simon at almost 45, and he's had 2o or so looks! I find most characters always have more looks than I had originally thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts
    As requested, a slight tweak of my old "classic" leisure suit Simon, here is Wonder Man as he appears in Mighty Avengers, red vinyl jacket, but no huge gold bracelets...

    Wonder Man!
    I think the gold bracelets made the costume a bit more manly; that jacket might have looked cool in the early 80's, or at least to George Perez, but I don't know what is Cho thinking now. If he is dressing in civvies there are a lot of cool Nike or bodybuilding threads he could be using that would look great with the shades on.
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    I thought a comedian like the Beast would naturally gravitate to a classic straight man like Simon Williams, and vice versa. They’re also both bright and intellectual. I had fun playing them off against each other. David Michelinie did great stuff with them, things I would never think of. He’s amazing with that kind of character interplay. Sure, they could co-star in a series, if you had a Michelinie or his clone writing it.-Jim Shooter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyft
    This one is amazing. The detail on the ion's(sp?) is excellent.
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar's Bands
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!
    See, that's where I disagree. I hated the whole "Human Ion Torch" look. It's one thing if he's phasing or dispersing his ion particles. I always thought it should be more of an effect like Cannonball's, where his lower body turns into an ionic jet engine. But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar's Bands
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!
    I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.
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    I thought a comedian like the Beast would naturally gravitate to a classic straight man like Simon Williams, and vice versa. They’re also both bright and intellectual. I had fun playing them off against each other. David Michelinie did great stuff with them, things I would never think of. He’s amazing with that kind of character interplay. Sure, they could co-star in a series, if you had a Michelinie or his clone writing it.-Jim Shooter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchel
    I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.
    While I agree that he should be in non-ionic form most of the time, I'm actually ok with it as long as it's during certain moments where he MAXES OUT and goes full power to indicate that he's at his peak power level.

    As for a look that I would love today, I'd go mix the modern shirt with the belt, arm bracelets, belt and boots of the classic Byrne version (or WC era).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.S
    While I agree that he should be in non-ionic form most of the time, I'm actually ok with it as long as it's during certain moments where he MAXES OUT and goes full power to indicate that he's at his peak power level.

    As for a look that I would love today, I'd go mix the modern shirt with the belt, arm bracelets, belt and boots of the classic Byrne version (or WC era).
    I think things went terribly wrong early on. From interviews, I read that Simon was originally supposed to be Marvel's "Superman." In the end, he was more like "Really strong guy." That's boring and as a kid, I found Wonder Man as interesting as, say, Luke Cage or the dozens of other "Really Strong Guys" in Marvel. Not much changed until his body was blown to bits by the ion cannon. His new look was unique - no one looked like that. He could fly. He was STILL strong. He was still invulnerable. He could even shoot beams out of his eyes, I believe, as shown in one or two issues of Avengers. As a superhero - he was UNIQUE and far more powerful than he was shown to be in the 70s. That made me happy, and a fan.

    Meanwhile, we still have Luke Cage filling the role of "Really Strong Guy" (yawn).

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    it kinda sounds like your saying he is more unique when he is more like a copy of another character (Superman) ...thats not really unique at all is it? superstrong , shooting beams out of your eyes, flying, let give him some superbreath and he will be real "unique" lol I would like the compromise idea...shows the ionic dots when he is powering up big time or flying...turning it on and off when he needs to dig deep and show some big time strength...

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    I've never been a huge fan of Wonderman, but I do like him as an Avenger. The issue of Wizard which includes the preview of Mighty Avengers shows the Sentry carrying Wonderman. I guess he stopped flying? Plus, I can't describe how much I hate the leisure suit. Wonderman has never been an A list hero, but the leisure suit brings him down even further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by static
    it kinda sounds like your saying he is more unique when he is more like a copy of another character (Superman) ...thats not really unique at all is it? superstrong , shooting beams out of your eyes, flying, let give him some superbreath and he will be real "unique" lol I would like the compromise idea...shows the ionic dots when he is powering up big time or flying...turning it on and off when he needs to dig deep and show some big time strength...

    The difference is that there are very few Superman like characters in the MU so he would at least be unique in the MU. I can't even count the number of just strong guys in the MU plus the ionic look would still differentiate hime from the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superion
    The difference is that there are very few Superman like characters in the MU so he would at least be unique in the MU. I can't even count the number of just strong guys in the MU plus the ionic look would still differentiate hime from the rest.
    Amen. And NO ONE in Marvel or DC is all "ionic" when flying or fighting. That makes him even more unique.

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    I agree with Will.S, I'd like him to have a human look with a few of those ionic dots, but not enough to really obscure his human form... And then, when he loses control (either because he's exerting more effort when fighting, etc.) of his form, he'll start to show more and more of that ionic look... That's what I'd like, anyway...

    What ever happened to him? He's started looking more and more human in Civil War (less dots in the Ms. Marvel arc, no dots in Civil War: Frontline)...

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    I like his current look sans ionic form. He looks great in Ms. Marvel--the best he's ever looked, IMO.

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