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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts
    A year-long. jet packed West Coast version of Simon
    Ugh, sweet Jesus this was his worst costume of all time. I can't even bring myself to buy those WCA issues because of this.....abomination.

    Anyway, love the leisure suit and muscle shirt ones Ronnie so great work.

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    didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattx110
    didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?
    Well, 42 years this month, with 10 looks, it averages out to changing once every four years or so, but really he's had the same one since his return from the dead about 7 years ago, and is just now getting a "retro" version of an older costume he wore for 7 years before. Although he was dead for a time, his original remained his only costume for 13 years, and his most short lived uniforms lasted less than a year. Still... he's no Wasp. That chick is ridiculous... and Hank Pym has only been around a few more years than Simon at almost 45, and he's had 2o or so looks! I find most characters always have more looks than I had originally thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts
    As requested, a slight tweak of my old "classic" leisure suit Simon, here is Wonder Man as he appears in Mighty Avengers, red vinyl jacket, but no huge gold bracelets...

    Wonder Man!
    I think the gold bracelets made the costume a bit more manly; that jacket might have looked cool in the early 80's, or at least to George Perez, but I don't know what is Cho thinking now. If he is dressing in civvies there are a lot of cool Nike or bodybuilding threads he could be using that would look great with the shades on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchel
    I think the gold bracelets made the costume a bit more manly; that jacket might have looked cool in the early 80's, or at least to George Perez, but I don't know what is Cho thinking now. If he is dressing in civvies there are a lot of cool Nike or bodybuilding threads he could be using that would look great with the shades on.
    No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mothmonsterman
    No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.
    hahahahahahaha cold....but true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mothmonsterman
    No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.
    Heh, I wasn't even going to say anything but you're right on.

    Sorry Mitchel

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    I just liked how he was the indestructable Avenger who was paranoid of dying again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mothmonsterman
    No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.
    Bracelets are a hero trademark in comicbooks and how does dressing in Nike or sport threads or bodybuilding clothes would make a guy look "the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district"? By the way that phrase is hilarious but I cannot shake the feeling that I'm getting insulted here even though I'm trying hard not to take it personal.

    I've noticed that just like in real life guys that look good and/or have a big female fanbase like Tom Cruise, Jessie Mc Cartey, Vin Diesel, Matthew McConaughey, George Clooney and even Arnold Schwartzenegger at one time and others get joked about being gay; same thing happens with Simon, even being a fictional character people like to joke with him being gay and it looks like I'm getting some of that water spilled on me in this thread.

    Sheez, perhaps if I had chosen a superheroine like Ms. Marvel to build a website for I wouldn't get the "funny" comments.

    Or perhaps I woke up at my most humorless homophobic mood this morning.
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    I don't think Simon is gay. I rather like him as a character.

    I'm just saying that I've noticed your idea of how to make him look manly usually involves him losing his shirt or something. I guess I don't find the Fabio look particularly manly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mothmonsterman
    I don't think Simon is gay. I rather like him as a character.

    I'm just saying that I've noticed your idea of how to make him look manly usually involves him losing his shirt or something. I guess I don't find the Fabio look particularly manly.

    I agree. I work out at the gym frequently, and there are NO guys there that sport the "unitard" look. That being said, when I've visited Golds Gyms, I have seen muscular guys wearing tight muscle shirts and unitards, and I gotta tell you, my first thought is "how effiminate are they?" It just looks freaky.

    I'll admit, though, I also didn't like Namor's teeny, tiny "banna boat" swimsuit as portrayed a few years ago in Avengers. For a couple of issues there (the ones with the New Invaders) I was afraid it would turn into a thong. I guess I like my male heroes at least wearing decently-sized shorts and, if they wish to go shirtless, that's OK (at least for Namor), but really, c'mon, there is no need to NOT have a shirt on unless you do a lot of swimming or you are the Hulk......

    (With regard to Ms. Marvel and Power Girl, I admit that sometimes I am concerned about their "thong-like" costume going up their behinds as well. Not because it isn't a pleasent sight (mmmm - Power Girl) but because it looks impractical and darn-near painful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyft
    This one is amazing. The detail on the ion's(sp?) is excellent.
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar's Bands
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!
    See, that's where I disagree. I hated the whole "Human Ion Torch" look. It's one thing if he's phasing or dispersing his ion particles. I always thought it should be more of an effect like Cannonball's, where his lower body turns into an ionic jet engine. But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar's Bands
    I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!
    I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchel
    I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.
    While I agree that he should be in non-ionic form most of the time, I'm actually ok with it as long as it's during certain moments where he MAXES OUT and goes full power to indicate that he's at his peak power level.

    As for a look that I would love today, I'd go mix the modern shirt with the belt, arm bracelets, belt and boots of the classic Byrne version (or WC era).

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