Why a Negative Zone Prison?

[CyberCoyote]

Because villains who want to do good but won't sign are FAR more dangerous than mass murdering psychopaths who drink baby blood(well, I'm sure he's gotten some spatter on him at some point at least. My mind's stuck on the CW4 parody. If you didn't read it then DO.. great stuff). Duh! :)

Hopefully all this Negative Zone prison stuff is a big hologram and they're concocting something, I don't know, HEROIC? out there? If these guys are commiting suicide over there then it's so far out that there's no other good way to justify it. The REAL villains should be over there, like you say.

[Jmacq1]

Because clearly, it's wrong to brainwash a good guy as opposed to imprisoning them for life when they potentially haven't broken any laws except the SHRA.

Whereas brainwashing a villain is perfectly acceptable, since clearly they deserve better human rights' treatment than superheroes that disagree with Iron Man. :rolleyes:

Seriously, you just hit the nail on the head where one of the biggest muck-ups of this crossover lies. I'd be willing to cut Tony and Company a -hair- of slack if they showed some actual supervillains in the Neg-Zone prison alongside the captured heroes. But letting the -truly- dangerous people stay on Earth while shipping the people that (aside from not following the SHRA) were trying to do the right thing and protect people with their abilities to another dimension is just insane hypocrisy.

Of course, I half-expected that "42" was going to involve brainwashing Anti-Reg heroes into being "good soldiers"...fortunately I haven't been proven right on that.

[garin]

I would say mind control is actually worse than prison.

[XPac]

Maybe Reed and Tony found out Annihilus was invading their universe in Annihilation, so they decided to return the favor.

Or maybe its more a legal thing. Villians have rights... unregistered combatants dont. Maybe actually have more flexibility in regards to what they do with the heroes. Though truthfully, I'm not sure which is a greater violation of rights.

[CyberCoyote]

I would say mind control is actually worse than prison.

Heh, are you married? :) You might be right!

BOTH of these are basically wrong. We've got mind control which has got to be considered cruel and unusual punishment (if Clockwork Orange taught me anything), but condemning all these folks to an alternate dimension (and the right of the US gov to use that place has already been debated) keeping these folks OFF WORLD without much of if any trial at all is pretty suspect. I stand by the thought that there's more to it and it's all a bunch of red herrings.

[Magneto Rocks]

Because it is incredibly secure and they need to be sure the prisoners won't break out.

Anyone who even THINKS for one second that those super-villains aren't going STRIAGHT into that negative zone prison after Cap's side are caught is frankly OBSCENELY delusional.

[CyberCoyote]

Because it is incredibly secure and they need to be sure the prisoners won't break out.

Anyone who even THINKS for one second that those super-villains aren't going STRIAGHT into that negative zone prison after Cap's side are caught is frankly OBSCENELY delusional.

I'm not arguing against ya MR, but IF they don't can we repost that :) ??? And are they gonna have the villains and 'heroes' in the same facility? Less suicide when they're killing one another.

[XPac]

Because it is incredibly secure and they need to be sure the prisoners won't break out.

Anyone who even THINKS for one second that those super-villains aren't going STRIAGHT into that negative zone prison after Cap's side are caught is frankly OBSCENELY delusional.

Legally though it is a trickier issue to send villians to the negative zone than the unregistered heroes.

Unregistered heroes have no rights. Villians technically do, so shipping them off to the negative zone might be trickier from a legal standpoint. Course, since SHIELD has been dealing with villians in an illegal manner since NA that might not be an issue for them.

[Slumber Hulk]

What about Muslim captives in the negative zone? Is there even an "East" to pray towards?

[heretic]

Because it is incredibly secure and they need to be sure the prisoners won't break out.

Anyone who even THINKS for one second that those super-villains aren't going STRIAGHT into that negative zone prison after Cap's side are caught is frankly OBSCENELY delusional.

The obvious question is, why are the dangerous psychopaths on the loose while unlicensed heroes are in that thing? Do the latter truly present such a greater threat?

I chalk it up to a short in Tony's headware.

HTG

[Jmacq1]

Because it is incredibly secure and they need to be sure the prisoners won't break out.

Anyone who even THINKS for one second that those super-villains aren't going STRIAGHT into that negative zone prison after Cap's side are caught is frankly OBSCENELY delusional.

Funny, I'd think anyone that assumes that villains -are- going to the Negative Zone after seeing what we've seen in "Civil War" and its' tie-ins is the delusional one.

If they were so concerned about breakouts, why didn't they send the villains there first to test the facility before they started shipping unregistered heroes en masse?

Oh right, because murderers, rapists, and thieves deserve better treatment than anyone that dares to disagree with Iron Man and the government.

[jaxcs]

Why build a Negative Zone Prison for the anti-reg superheroes when you have a prefectly good nano-bot mind control procedure. If you can control Bullseye, you can control the Falcon.

Stictly speaking, I don't think it's mind control. If you do something against programing, then the nanites kick in, but it doesn't force you to take a course of action.

[XPac]

Stictly speaking, I don't think it's mind control. If you do something against programing, then the nanites kick in, but it doesn't force you to take a course of action.

Which I suppose makes it more ethical but also more dangerous.

They're not mind controlling people (though an arguement can be made that some level of brainwashing occured to get them to join), but if no one is forcing them to act a certain way it's possible Bullseye or the rest could kill someone before the nanites can make them pay for it. Some of these guys are nuts... it's possible they won't be able to restrain themselves even if such behavior puts their own life at risk.

[shaunyc56]

The negative zone kills the will to live, the only way you can truly imprison a hero is by doing just that.

In a world where an "above average physique" gets you stopped and searched by federal law enforcement sticking american citizens who have saved the world in a place where they don't have any rights makes good legal sense.

Can you imagine Capt America doing a prison cell television interview in Rykers, Tony can, so stick him somewhere that maybe 7 people can get to and problem solved.

[CyberCoyote]

The negative zone kills the will to live, the only way you can truly imprison a hero is by doing just that.

In a world where an "above average physique" gets you stopped and searched by federal law enforcement sticking american citizens who have saved the world in a place where they don't have any rights makes good legal sense.

Can you imagine Capt America doing a prison cell television interview in Rykers, Tony can, so stick him somewhere that maybe 7 people can get to and problem solved.

There's some scarey but accurate logic! Never looked at it that way.

And what exactly is it with the craziness of the negative Zone? I know I've read just about every issue of the FF ever published, but that part of it just doesn't stick out in my brain. None of the FF ever lost their minds over there (well, maybe Brute Reed), was that always established (I am old, the brain poops out things from time to time) or introduced in this storyline?