Why do some readers dislike Ronin?

[Syzygy]

Why all the dislike for Ronin, a character we know virtually nothing about (unless we're also Daredevil readers)?

This character--at least in New Avengers--has done nothing to merit being "detested" or called "worthless".

Can somebody explain to me why she's hated, 'cause I really see no reason for it?

Peace,
Syzygy

[Jake V]

Why all the dislike for Ronin, a character we know virtually nothing about (unless we're also Daredevil readers)?

This character--at least in New Avengers--has done nothing to merit being "detested" or called "worthless".

Can somebody explain to me why she's hated, 'cause I really see no reason for it?

Peace,
Syzygy

Because she exists and she wasn't who anyone guessed.

[KYTouchMassage]

Why all the dislike for Ronin, a character we know virtually nothing about (unless we're also Daredevil readers)?

She wasn't even that characterized in Daredevil. She was only around for, like, four issues or something. However long "Parts of a Hole" is. She's basically a mute woman with Taskmaster's powers. Or deaf. I forget.

Anyway, Ronin gets my vote. As the Flash would say:

"I say we give this freak the boot, bring in the *beep* Hawk-dude."

[Shellhead]

Why all the dislike for Ronin, a character we know virtually nothing about (unless we're also Daredevil readers)?

This character--at least in New Avengers--has done nothing to merit being "detested" or called "worthless".

Can somebody explain to me why she's hated, 'cause I really see no reason for it?

Peace,
Syzygy

Because having an obviously male character reveal itself to actually be a female isn't playing fair with the readers unless there is an unusual explanation, like magic or some kind of shape-shifting power. It was crappy storytelling. That some readers are expressing their ire at Ronin is unjustified; they should actually be complaining about Bendis and Finch and whoever allegedly edited those issues.

[mastaflan]

Because having an obviously male character reveal itself to actually be a female isn't playing fair with the readers unless there is an unusual explanation, like magic or some kind of shape-shifting power. It was crappy storytelling. That some readers are expressing their ire at Ronin is unjustified; they should actually be complaining about Bendis and Finch and whoever allegedly edited those issues.

I have to say that whole looking like a male thing was a cheap gimimic...I think would have given her a chance if they had just made her look like a female to begin with. My New Avengers experience has been ruined.

[Alan2099]

The big thing was that the hype didn't match the payoff, which is pretty much standard for Bendis. The whole thing was made into such a huge deal and then ... it's Echo. Assuming you even knew who Echo was, why would anybody care?

Then the charater just basically disappears again after the story is over.

[Wild Card13]

Supposedly, she'll be playing a major part again, post-CW. The first post-CW issue of New Avengers is supposedly going to unfold all from her perspective.

[Shyft]

People complain when well known characters such as Wolverine join...they complain when new characters like Ronin join...So basically people seem to want Cap/Thor/Ant-Man over and over again? There is nothing wrong with Ronin's character other than her long leave of absense. Looking like a dude could be down to *shock* the BODY ARMOUR? And i think her being deaf is a cool weakness, means talking to the likes of Iron-man/Spidey, who cover their mouths, difficult, and shes very vulnerable in the dark.

[Mariah]

I never cared for her in the DD series, but if they really wanted a dangerous ninja type character, I'd prefer Iron Fist or Elektra.

[NormanB]

Because having an obviously male character reveal itself to actually be a female isn't playing fair with the readers unless there is an unusual explanation, like magic or some kind of shape-shifting power. It was crappy storytelling. That some readers are expressing their ire at Ronin is unjustified; they should actually be complaining about Bendis and Finch and whoever allegedly edited those issues.

DING DING DING

[MakeMineMarvel]

People complain when well known characters such as Wolverine join...they complain when new characters like Ronin join...So basically people seem to want Cap/Thor/Ant-Man over and over again? There is nothing wrong with Ronin's character other than her long leave of absense. Looking like a dude could be down to *shock* the BODY ARMOUR? And i think her being deaf is a cool weakness, means talking to the likes of Iron-man/Spidey, who cover their mouths, difficult, and shes very vulnerable in the dark.

Body armor...what the hell are you talking about? I can't stand when people come on here and try to make sense and reason with people. There is no place for that. Why can't you just let everyone complain because they are going to complain no matter what you say or do.

Seriously, excellent post and I agree 100% with you.

[Shellhead]

People complain when well known characters such as Wolverine join...they complain when new characters like Ronin join...So basically people seem to want Cap/Thor/Ant-Man over and over again? There is nothing wrong with Ronin's character other than her long leave of absense. Looking like a dude could be down to *shock* the BODY ARMOUR? And i think her being deaf is a cool weakness, means talking to the likes of Iron-man/Spidey, who cover their mouths, difficult, and shes very vulnerable in the dark.

Yeah, this may sound crazy, but fans of a given comic tend to prefer the characters associated with that comic, as opposed to characters that they could find in other comics. For example, Fantastic Four fans generally prefer to read about the adventures of the original line-up, and if they want to read about Wolverine, they can buy Wolverine or X-Men comics.

Ronin's body armor is indensible. There was no in-character reason for her to disguise her identity, let alone her gender. The armor could potentially hinder her power and slow her down in combat situations, without being solid enough to protect against the kind of heavy attacks that Avengers sometimes face.

Bendis tried to do something that probably looked reasonable in writing, but failed in a visual medium *as he should have known by now.* If he was new to comics, it would be an understandable error, but Bendis is considered one of Marvel's top writers working on one of their flagship titles.

I admit that Echo is an interesting character, and she could have been an interesting addition to the Avengers if properly introduced. Hawkeye had a hearing problem, too, from before even West Coast Avengers until Heroes Reborn.

[Joe Acro]

My main problem with Ronin is that she arrived, did very little, and then hasn't been seen sense. For a character hyped since the start, that makes her very unappealing to me.

[MakeMineMarvel]

Ronin's body armor is indensible. There was no in-character reason for her to disguise her identity, let alone her gender. The armor could potentially hinder her power and slow her down in combat situations, without being solid enough to protect against the kind of heavy attacks that Avengers sometimes face.

Aren't there MANY characters with body armor, in other companies as well, and I don't see it affecting them.

[Magneto Rocks]

For myself, besides the ridiculous hype, this is a big part of it:

Mr Bendis's so-called 'Avengers' include Ronin.

They DON'T include....

yellowjacket
wasp
Ms Marvel
Wonder Man
Black knight
Thor
Falcon
Quicksilver

Ach, I'm not even going into....

they include RONIN. And yet of my above 'of the top of my head' list, SIX characters were available who would be FAR more recognizable than Ronin and include the distinction of- get this- actually BEING real AVENGERS!

I hate Ronin because she was a constant reminder that the real Avengers are dead, Bendis cares NOTHING for the Avengers and is determined to write his own team, to HELL with the consequences or continuity.