Is Mags Omega?

[Titan76]

Well, there was that time when he opened a wormhole through time and space...

I know. I have mention this myself several times and have also said this was mainly a plot-device to explain how he got to New York so fast because of Bendis first arc on Avengers. I would rather see this follow up on and confirm he can do it again rather it being a one time deal. Spider-man has beaten Fireload like three times does this mean he is also on Omega level?

[jmc247]

Magneto's base was totally destoryed by Galactus and only Mags shelds saved them. Read Secret Wars 6 page 9.

[jarrod]

In some cases, I think "what ifs" do count though... again, the Omega class is based on potential ability. Logically if a parallel iteration of Magneto dispalys Omega level (ie: nearly limitless) power levels, it strikes to reason that our version should at least have the same potential.

And as an aside, I think people undercount Storm. She's arguably the highest level elemental mutant recorded and has been shown (in similar "what ifs") to have the potential to become a being of pure elemental energy and manipulate elemental energy directly (rather than manipulating weather patterns, as she does now). That's actually somewhat similar to Iceman's displayed ultimate potential in X-Men Forever.

Another potential Omega I missed earlier would be Chamber (again, pre M-Day).

[jmc247]

I know. I have mention this myself several times and have also said this was mainly a plot-device to explain how he got to New York so fast because of Bendis first arc on Avengers.

From Marvel.com

Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. He can manipulate gravitons to create an anti-gravity field, and does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the long-sought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto_%28Magnus%29

[Titan76]

Magneto's base was totally destoryed by Galactus and only Mags shelds saved them. Read Secret Wars 6 page 9.

Alright I finally found it. While it was very impressive for Magneto to shield the X-men and himself from a Galactus blast it didn't look like Galactus put much effort into it since he barely notice Xavier and Magneto trying to get inside his mind. And Magneto's base wasn't totally destroyed, just a section of it was.

[Gene M.]

No one should be "omega". That's a goofy concept. He's a very powerful mutant. It should be left at that.

I think this is the first thing you've ever said that makes sense to me. :D

[Titan76]

Do you realize what you're saying? Does it really matter if he can or cannot go to mars or something with his wormhole? He friggin traveled from Genosha (right?) to New York using a wormhole. A wormhole! So what if he did it once, HE DID IT! That's pretty much gateway's power and he did it. THat's impressive to me. I don't even care if he teleported into another part of the country, that's still amazing. Considering his powers, it's something you might not initially think he could do.

You know what's also amazing Spider-man beating a herald of Galactus more then once. Do we now consider Spider-man to be on Omega level?

Yes he did create a wormhole but it was mainly used for plot-device. Magneto open the wormhole as if it wasn't he first time doing it, thing is it WAS. Why didn't he do any other time rather just that once? Which is why it may be just a one time feat that may never be follow up own and shouldn't be consider until its explain better or until he does it again.

[Daithi]

Spider-man has beaten Fireload like three times does this mean he is also on Omega level?

No. It's not like Highlander where if you beat another Omega level mutant you become Omega level.

[Titan76]

From Marvel.com

Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. He can manipulate gravitons to create an anti-gravity field, and does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the long-sought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto_%28Magnus%29

Yes and Magneto had to use machines to boost up his powers to control the Earth's EM field and hold it hostage in order to get Genosha, why doesn't he just use his own powers?

And there was also a time when his powers were burning out and he needed Polaris as his battery charger to put himself back at his normal levels, why couldn't he just do this himself?

Magneto is very powerful no doubt but its potential not just raw power(which Magneto has) that is what makes a Omega mutant. Just because Magneto has lots of raw power doesn't mean he is Omega.

[Titan76]

No. It's not like Highlander where if you beat another Omega level mutant you become Omega level.

Expect for Firelord has the power cosmic and is way beyond Spider-man yet he was still able to beat him but we don't take that into consideration because this is a feat that goes beyond Spider-Man's powers.

Just like I think the wormhole thing is also a feat that's beyond Magneto's powers as well since from what I know it takes more then just magnetic energy(I'm not even quite sure magnetic energy is used to even open wormholes, isn't it negative energy that is used) to open and close a wormhole.

[Daithi]

Expect for Firelord has the power cosmic and is way beyond Spider-man yet he was still able to beat him but we don't take that into consideration because this is a feat that goes beyond Spider-Man's powers.

No that's more to do with skill and ability than omega level.

[jmc247]

Yes and Magneto had to use machines to boost up his powers to control the Earth's EM field and hold it hostage in order to get Genosha, why doesn't he just use his own powers?

And there was also a time when his powers were burning out and he needed Polaris as his battery charger to put himself back at his normal levels, why couldn't he just do this himself?

Magneto is very powerful no doubt but its potential not just raw power(which Magneto has) that is what makes a Omega mutant. Just because Magneto has lots of raw power doesn't mean he is Omega.

You don't get it do you. It is up to each writer how powerful they want a character to be. Magneto has exibited in different comics the control of the subatomic to reasonably be considered Omega. But, some writers depower him at times, some writers make him hooked on drugs, some writers make him far weaker then others.

But, it depends entirely on the writer. No one here would say that Magneto would need a drug like Kick to increase his mutant power in order to tear NY City apart. Yet, Morrison in order to fit his story had Magneto addicted to kick which supposely increased his power 17 fold in order to get his addiction point across. The power ups that Magneto was getting from Cortez was another attempt by a writer for a drugs metaphor. Magneto being depowered and relying on Lorna was a writers contrivance to explain why Magneto didn't just crush the human uprising overnight.

I look at it this way, has Magneto shown Omega level abilities? Yes. Has that been consistant with the character over time or a fan boy simply hyping up Magneto's powers? No. Has there been contrivances to limit Magneto's power, have him use a drug metaphor for extra power, or have writers simply depower him? Yes.

[Titan76]

No that's more to do with skill and ability than omega level.

And its skill and ability that is mainly Spider-man's powers. Firelord can go at lightspeed and take shots from high end bricks but can be beaten by Spider-man, more then once?

[Omega Alpha]

I'm pretty sure that its a definate that Xavier was the world's most powerful telepath, not only the most skillful, and this has been stated several times.

In the past, sure. But currently, there's no way to consider him the most powerful. Actually, in the 90's, Nate Grey was already confirmed as more powerful than he is.

And Omega is about POTENTIAL. Magneto is one of the most powerful mutants on Earth, but he pretty much always uses his power to the edge. We have seen not but a glimpse of what Iceman or Elixir could do.

[dellicious]

no mags and xavier are not

only elixir, bobby, jean, vulcan, kid omega are confirmed omegas