Is Mags Omega?

[Barnaby]

Very simple question, is Magneto Omega Level?
I haven't seen any record of him being Omega, but i think he (and Xavier, by the way) should be Omega!

Opinions...?

[fishtaco]

No one should be "omega". That's a goofy concept. He's a very powerful mutant. It should be left at that.

[Barnaby]

I agree with you all the way! But... since they invented that definition, should Mags and Xavier fit in there?

[Titan76]

Magneto nor Xavier are Omega mutants. The only mutants who have been confirm Omega are:


Elixir (New Mutants vol. 2 # 12 by Beast)
Iceman (X-Men: Forever)
Phoenix / Jean Grey (X-Men: Forever by Professor X, also known as the White Phoenix of the Crown.)
Mister M (The 198 Files)
Franklin Richards (The 198 Files)
Kid Omega (New X-Men #154 (appears as Phoenix host) and Phoenix Endsong #2 by various sources)
Rachel Summers (Uncanny X-Men #208 by Nimrod. Once also held the Phoenix)
Mr. Immortal (GLX-Mas by Marvel Comics's Editors[|IGN])
Vulcan

[Barnaby]

He's not Omega, like i suspected... how come?

He's in the top with all the others! When I have a look at everything he's done through the years and the enormous power he wields (and he self limits his own powers like the chick that cloned him once stated...), I truly feel he should be Omega... it's only logic!

[Titan76]

He's not Omega, like i suspected... how come?

Because Marvel has yet to name him Omega.

He's in the top with all the others! When I have a look at everything he's done through the years and the enormous power he wields (and he self limits his own powers like the chick that cloned him once stated...), I truly feel he should be Omega... it's only logic!

Just because he has lots of raw power doesn't mean he is Omega. Omega isn't really about how much power you have its about your potential, potential to have limitless power. Magneto is very power but is most likely just a high Alpha mutant which there is no shame in that.

[Barnaby]

Because Marvel has yet to name him Omega.

True.

I think Marvel forgot or are yet to mention (at least) 4 mutants, when they started all this Omega level thing.

Magneto- for reasons stated above, and i don't even think we've seen the full extend of his power... Magnetism is one of the basic forces in the universe!

Xavier- In terms of telepathy he is (was) still referred as Earth most powerful telepath, he can do pretty much anything in that field.

Scarlet Witch- House of M... 'nuff said.

Mad Jim Jaspers- Only heard of him recently, but for what i could see he's in no way less powerful the Franklin Richards. (don't know if he's dead)

Just my opinion...

[steve2275]

actually mags is mia:p

[jarrod]

True.

I think Marvel forgot or are yet to mention (at least) 4 mutants, when they started all this Omega level thing.

Magneto- for reasons stated above, and i don't even think we've seen the full extend of his power... Magnetism is one of the basic forces in the universe!

Xavier- In terms of telepathy he is (was) still referred as Earth most powerful telepath, he can do pretty much anything in that field.

Scarlet Witch- House of M... 'nuff said.

Mad Jim Jaspers- Only heard of him recently, but for what i could see he's in no way less powerful the Franklin Richards. (don't know if he's dead)

Just my opinion...

Other possibilities...

Storm: has the potential to become a being of pure elemental energy.

Meggan: extremely powerful meta-morph, energy weilder, empath and elemental... almost nothing she can't do actually.

Shadow King: Around for millenia, basically Xaiver's psionic equal.

Cable/Stryfe/Nate Grey: Basically same genetic powerset/potential as Rachel.

Dani Moonster: Quantum abilities amount to pure psionic creation... possible evolution into a reality warper, at least pre-M-Day.

Exodus: 12th century high level psionic vampire. Another "can do about anything" character.

Xorn: Head's a black hole, can revive the dead and other crazy stuff.

Mikhail Rasputin: Energy manipulation on an incomparable scale.

Polaris: Basically like Mangus and then some.

Selene: This one's iffier, but she seems able to manipulate matter in all it's form directly (subatomically?). May be some level of sorcery involved though.

Magma: High level elemental, bonded with core of the Earth.

Stepford Cuckoos: Hive mind, multiplies telephatic abilities 3 fold. Made by Weapon Plus as well, probably in the World.

Cassie Nova: duh!

Proteus: duh again!

Legion: duh some more!



...for many of these though, it's probably a fine line between Alpha and Omega.

[Omega Alpha]

True.

I think Marvel forgot or are yet to mention (at least) 4 mutants, when they started all this Omega level thing.

Magneto- for reasons stated above, and i don't even think we've seen the full extend of his power... Magnetism is one of the basic forces in the universe!

Xavier- In terms of telepathy he is (was) still referred as Earth most powerful telepath, he can do pretty much anything in that field.

Scarlet Witch- House of M... 'nuff said.

Mad Jim Jaspers- Only heard of him recently, but for what i could see he's in no way less powerful the Franklin Richards. (don't know if he's dead)

Just my opinion...

Xavier is the most skillful telepath on Earth, but no way he is the most powerful. I don't know if Magneto is an Omega, although he would be way up on the Alphas list. And i agree about the others.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Magneto is basically a god. He can do things that Iceman and Rachel Summers need power boosters to do on their best day. And Jean Grey has been retconned into being powerful. Originally, she was a baeline telepath and a half competent telekinetic before all of this "Phoenix" nonsense got pushed too far.

[jmc247]

Lets see Mags can create a shield that can take a blast from Galactus, he can control subatomic atoms to create something out of thin air as he did in Secret Wars. He has a certain level of telepathic powers as he can enter the Astral plane without help.

He also can jam psychic powers. He’s done so to all X-Men telepaths at once. He can take Colossus's best punch to the head weakened and without shields and yet stay on his feet. He can create a Force Pulse that can kill thousands. When he first used a Force Pulse he destoryed an entire city and in X-Men the End he was shown with the ability to wipe out all life on a planet with a Force Pulse.

He has the power to lift an entire mountain or astroid. He was able to bottle up the powers of the Phoenix to keep her from re-energizing with power from the Phoenix Force thoughout the universe in X-Men 112.

And, best of all he can warp space time to create worm holes to anywhere he wants to go in the universe.

Magneto at this point in time is at the power level of a low level cosmic being like the Heralds of Galactus. I don't like the concept of Omega, Alpha, or Beta levels for mutants. But, if Magneto isn't Omega level I don't know what is.

[Omega Alpha]

Magneto is basically a god. He can do things that Iceman and Rachel Summers need power boosters to do on their best day. And Jean Grey has been retconned into being powerful. Originally, she was a baeline telepath and a half competent telekinetic before all of this "Phoenix" nonsense got pushed too far.

The powerful retcon was not only with Jean, the Invisible Woman was originally the weakest of the Fantastic Four and now could take the rest of the team on her own pretty easily.

But, at her top, Rachel should be on Cable and X-man's level. Likewise, Iceman is nearly immortal on his icy form, and can do nearly anything.

[Titan76]

Magneto is basically a god. He can do things that Iceman and Rachel Summers need power boosters to do on their best day. And Jean Grey has been retconned into being powerful. Originally, she was a baeline telepath and a half competent telekinetic before all of this "Phoenix" nonsense got pushed too far.

Magneto also needed a power up as well. His Stan Lee days were not very impressive and he would very often just run away from the X-men rather then fight them. Hell Cyclops took out his force-field in the first issue.

Lets see Mags can create a shield that can take a blast from Galactus, he can control subatomic atoms to create something out of thin air as he did in Secret Wars. He has a certain level of telepathic powers as he can enter the Astral plane without help.

He also can jam psychic powers. He’s done so to all X-Men telepaths at once. He can take Colossus's best punch to the head weakened and without shields and yet stay on his feet. He can create a Force Pulse that can kill thousands. When he first used a Force Pulse he destoryed an entire city and in X-Men the End he was shown with the ability to wipe out all life on a planet with a Force Pulse.

He has the power to lift an entire mountain or astroid. He was able to bottle up the powers of the Phoenix to keep her from re-energizing with power from the Phoenix Force thoughout the universe in X-Men 112.

And, best of all he can warp space time to create worm holes to anywhere he wants to go in the universe.

Magneto at this point in time is at the power level of a low level cosmic being like the Heralds of Galactus. I don't like the concept of Omega, Alpha, or Beta levels for mutants. But, if Magneto isn't Omega level I don't know what is.

Magneto has never taken a blast from Galactus, if he has then please give us the issue it was in. Using feats in X-men: the End doesn't count since it doesn't take place in the 616 universe and is mainly just a "What If" story.

And he has only used the wormhole once and we don't know for sure if it can take him anywhere in the universe because its never been followed up on, to say it can is wrong since he has never done it. Hell, it was only used to explain how he got to New York so fast because of Bendis's stupid HoM, so that feat might just be a one time deal.

Having loads of raw power doesn't automatically mean you are an Omega mutant. I could go 20 pages explaining to you why HyperStorm should be an Omega but since Marvel hasn't name him one he isn't. An Omega mutant isn't just about power, its about potential. Magneto has also gone though stages where his powers were burning out and he had to re-charge himself either by machines or by Polaris. So yes there is a good chance he may not be Omega, like wise there may be a good chance he is. But as of right now he isn't, but just because he isn't doesn't screw up his character in anyway, only Bendis does that.:p

[steve2275]

He has the power to lift an entire mountain or astroid. He was able to bottle up the powers of the Phoenix to keep her from re-energizing with power from the Phoenix Force thoughout the universe in X-Men 112.

And, best of all he can warp space time to create worm holes to anywhere he wants to go in the universe.

when were these?