Is Iron Man's Extremis problems happening during Civil War? *spoilers*

[jackolover]

I started this thread a long time ago and it has disappeared off the forum. At the time, posters were sure extremis had no part in Tony's personality, because they thought Extremis was pre-CW.

Now that IM 12 is out, It has become clear that Extremis is very much a part of Tony Starks makeup, because he still contains those pesky, little, nanites after IM 12.

So, Iron Man's behavior in Civil War is affected by Extremis. I, personally hadn't specifically, seen the Extremis effect in Starks personality, being under the impression that he would be rid of extremis, in some way, at about issue 12 of IM. However, in light of this new revelation, I am now open to judging Tony a little more harshly. I am now thinking that Tony's viscious attack on Cap is the extremis brutality. And also the spray he gave Jessica Drew, in NA.

What I can't reconcile, is that in IM 12, Tony sacrificed his life to save Steve Rodgers. If Tony is a loose cannon, compliments of the extremis virus, maybe he has learnt to control his extremism during the last story arc of Iron Man, and what we are actually seeing is not the extremis Tony Stark, but a post-extremis Tony Stark.

[Slade.]

honestly i never thought of this lol i completly forgot about extremis. good point.

[XPac]

I'll assume Millar doesn't intend to have any of Tony's actions purely movitated by nothing more than his own beliefs in what is right or not. Otherwise, it ruins the premise of Civil War.

That said, the Extremis does provide an easy cop out if any future writers ever hand his possible mistakes to be potentially excused down the line. It's a pretty easy retcon.

[the Dagman]

So we need Photon to blast him with a high-intensity EMP to fix Tony or something? Are these the same nanites he is using to control the super-villains he is using I wonder? I really hope there is a non-copout way to bring him back. Iron Man was always one of my favorite heroes when growing up, but he is not the same man these days. I thought Marvel had learned their lesson with "the Crossing" and having to contrive Teen Tony to fix him then. But right now, Iron Man is no better than the worst villains in the Marvel Universe. And that is something I never thought I would ever think about him.

[Loestal]

So we need Photon to blast him with a high-intensity EMP to fix Tony or something? Are these the same nanites he is using to control the super-villains he is using I wonder? I really hope there is a non-copout way to bring him back. Iron Man was always one of my favorite heroes when growing up, but he is not the same man these days. I thought Marvel had learned their lesson with "the Crossing" and having to contrive Teen Tony to fix him then. But right now, Iron Man is no better than the worst villains in the Marvel Universe. And that is something I never thought I would ever think about him.

Please...to claim he is no better than the worst villains is rediculous.

[CyberCoyote]

Don't read IM, but I've followed some of the reviews. Are these things contagious? Can they be used to explain away the whole of CW in the end?

[the Dagman]

Please...to claim he is no better than the worst villains is rediculous.

I am free to think as I please, thank you very much. Please refrain from calling people's opinions "rediculous" as it is inflammatory and insulting. :evilangry I am sure you would like not to have your opinions equally disrespected.

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Millar's characterisation of not only Iron Man but Reed Richards and Hank Pym is so off kilter. Why would two of these three conspire to exile the Hulk into outer space because he is uncontrollable, only to create another being in the same strength class who is apparently equally uncontrollable? Total non-sequitor.

[jackolover]

Don't read IM, but I've followed some of the reviews. Are these things contagious? Can they be used to explain away the whole of CW in the end?

I don't think so. I have to believe, that so far in CW, Tony was Tony. Not warped by nanite extremis. That's not to say Tony's violence wasn't touched with extremis, but all I've seen is a reasonable Tony, under the circumstances. And remember, Tony sacrificed himself for Steve in IM 12. Extremis doesn't completely control him.

[IMJ]

I started this thread a long time ago and it has disappeared off the forum. At the time, posters were sure extremis had no part in Tony's personality, because they thought Extremis was pre-CW.

Now that IM 12 is out, It has become clear that Extremis is very much a part of Tony Starks makeup, because he still contains those pesky, little, nanites after IM 12.

So, Iron Man's behavior in Civil War is affected by Extremis. I, personally hadn't specifically, seen the Extremis effect in Starks personality, being under the impression that he would be rid of extremis, in some way, at about issue 12 of IM. However, in light of this new revelation, I am now open to judging Tony a little more harshly. I am now thinking that Tony's viscious attack on Cap is the extremis brutality. And also the spray he gave Jessica Drew, in NA.

What I can't reconcile, is that in IM 12, Tony sacrificed his life to save Steve Rodgers. If Tony is a loose cannon, compliments of the extremis virus, maybe he has learnt to control his extremism during the last story arc of Iron Man, and what we are actually seeing is not the extremis Tony Stark, but a post-extremis Tony Stark.

Unless in the future they retcon this, all I can say is that if you guys read Extremis and the newest arc and believe that Extremis is controlling Tony, then you guys read something incorrectly. Tony is not a loose cannon because of Extremis, and it was other factors that influenced his behavior in the recent IM arc. Tony's behavior in CW is only being influenced by Millar.

[jackolover]

Unless in the future they retcon this, all I can say is that if you guys read Extremis and the newest arc and believe that Extremis is controlling Tony, then you guys read something incorrectly. Tony is not a loose cannon because of Extremis, and it was other factors that influenced his behavior in the recent IM arc. Tony's behavior in CW is only being influenced by Millar.

I don't know why you should say that. In the IM arc Tony was killing people randomly and even cap was questioning whether Tony was all there. Fury was very concerned about the effect of extremis, so I don't see that it was any other factors that you refer too. It is a coincidence that when the extremis got into his body, he behaved like the first recipient of extremis, and started killing people to end a conflict.

I still suspect a remnant of the virus' effect, is hovering inside him somewhere.

[garin]

The Extremis enhancile doesn't make you crazy.

Tony's behaviour was influenced by it only in that his attitude was changed by his greatly enhanced abilities. He went a little mad with power, perhaps, not insane from the physical effects of Extremis on his brain.

[jackolover]

Don't read IM, but I've followed some of the reviews. Are these things contagious? Can they be used to explain away the whole of CW in the end?

Sorry no other posters answered. My understanding is this extremis only affects the host and cannot jump to other hosts, as far as the 2 people who have had it are concerned. They are very powerful, but you can kill those with extremis if you cut their heads off. I don't think you can explain away CW as extremis running amok. Besides, Marvel are assuring us CW is not some outside plot device, but a political story.

[jackolover]

Are these the same nanites he is using to control the super-villains he is using I wonder? I really hope there is a non-copout way to bring him back.

The nanites used on the super-villians can't be his extremis nanites, so I have to assume they are different ones. But I can't be sure Tony's friend Maya Hanson is not a part of CW. She seems to know a hell of a lot about these things.

[jackolover]

I'll assume Millar doesn't intend to have any of Tony's actions purely movitated by nothing more than his own beliefs in what is right or not. Otherwise, it ruins the premise of Civil War.

I'll give you that. I agree the main intention was not to have extremis affecting Tony's behaviour. But I almost thought the aggression Tony showed in IM and NA, was more extremis than the power mad Tony. He looks like he has it under control, but there is always something niggling at the back of my mind.

I would definately like the Knaufs to do an expose' on the effects of extremis on behaviour, because I'm not sure it's just power madness that Tony is expressing. I think extremis is like the Alien black costume spiderman tried to wear. I think extremis is trying to take over Iron Man.

[Kirayoshi]

I'll assume Millar doesn't intend to have any of Tony's actions purely movitated by nothing more than his own beliefs in what is right or not. Otherwise, it ruins the premise of Civil War.

How can you ruin a total disaster? :evilsmile
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Trust me, the premise was ruined at least one Thor clone ago!

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