Nomex survival suit

[Predator117]

ok, this is the suit off of Batman Begins, that Bruce spray paints black and utilizes as the current Batsuit. and ive been dealing with this issue for quite some time, but is the suit bulletproof? cuz i know he asks Lucius in the movie and he says anything but a straight shot. but what exactly does that mean? is a straight shot like a point-blank range shot or just a direct shot at a 90 degree angle? and i read the Batman Begins visual guide and it said in there that its bulletproof except for point blank range shots, and it also said it was a kevlar bi-weave and it costed $300,000. normal kevlar vests are bulletproof(except for rifles) and can stop a point blank range shot, but a prototype suit cant thats a kevlar biweave?? that just doesnt sound right. much less, not any direct shots at all, like they said in the movie.

anyone, thoughts, opinions?

[glennsim]

Not sure about much of that, but I could assume that the suit is intended to be less bulletproof than a bulletproof vest, but more spread out and much lighter and easy to move around in.

After all, Batman should still have to dodge and try to avoid getting shot, unlike how it works in some people's cinematic visions.

[Predator117]

Not sure about much of that, but I could assume that the suit is intended to be less bulletproof than a bulletproof vest, but more spread out and much lighter and easy to move around in.

After all, Batman should still have to dodge and try to avoid getting shot, unlike how it works in some people's cinematic visions.

that is a good point, a suit made of nothing but kevlar that would cover u from head to toe would restrict your movements quite a bit. especially for som1 like Batman. cuz ive heard instances of him wearing just a kevlar vest and that restricting his movements some. *sigh* i guess the Nomex survival suit can only deflect indirect projectiles then, like shots at an angle. but the batsuit in the comics, the tights, which parts are padded with kevlar, or do u know? cuz i know its padded on the torso, front and back, cuz he got shot in the back in WAR DRUMs and said, 'hmm no bullet lodged in the kevlar', but is it anywhere else..?

[filthysize]

Nomex and Kevlar are similar, but not the same. Basically what makes Kevlar stronger is the fact that its material can be woven tighter (something like that). Nomex cannot, but it's a bit more flexible. It's the stuff they use to line Firemen's and Nascar drivers' helmets and suits. It's meant to be flame retardant, but not really bulletproof. A shotgun blast would probably rip Batman's bowels open.

[Predator117]

Nomex and Kevlar are similar, but not the same. Basically what makes Kevlar stronger is the fact that its material can be woven tighter (something like that). Nomex cannot, but it's a bit more flexible. It's the stuff they use to line Firemen's and Nascar drivers' helmets and suits. It's meant to be flame retardant, but not really bulletproof. A shotgun blast would probably rip Batman's bowels open.

no it wouldnt. it says in the Batman Begins visual guide, that its not just made of Nomex, but like i said, a kevlar bi-weave as well. it'll stop anything but a point blank range shot.

[glennsim]

that is a good point, a suit made of nothing but kevlar that would cover u from head to toe would restrict your movements quite a bit. especially for som1 like Batman. cuz ive heard instances of him wearing just a kevlar vest and that restricting his movements some. *sigh* i guess the Nomex survival suit can only deflect indirect projectiles then, like shots at an angle. but the batsuit in the comics, the tights, which parts are padded with kevlar, or do u know? cuz i know its padded on the torso, front and back, cuz he got shot in the back in WAR DRUMs and said, 'hmm no bullet lodged in the kevlar', but is it anywhere else..?

Much like Superman's glasses disguise working, we're also supposed to believe that the thin layer of material all over Batman is enough to stop bullets. He's not just padded in certain areas - his whole costume is made of bulletproof material.

[Predator117]

then why does Batman fall down whenever he gets shot? but, to come to think of it, Batman actually never even got shot in Batman Begins because he used stealth, so he may not even need it to be bulletproof. ionno. it said in the movie tho that its bulletproof except for a strait shot, and in the visual guide that it was only point blank range shots.

[tfresca]

A bigger issue for me is the batmobile. First, how do you get that out of the buildiing. Second won't everybody in the world see this car that probably 1,000 people helped design and build. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[Mr. Croup]

From what I've read and seen, the military uses bullets with more stopping power. They can go through more then one person, wood, and some other building materials before losing alot of their momentum. Police and most criminals use a version that tends to lodge in people. So the suit was built for city fighting, were a soldier migh get hit by a military bullet coming through a wall. The nomex would protect from these type of bullets.

On the Tumbler, what if they only worked on a section, and only a few people knew what the finished product looked like? They could also think that someone at Wayne Industries sold it on the black market.

[Subotai]

IIRC from reading Blackhawk Down and other military non-fiction, the military generally uses the lighter 5.56 mm round which tumbles (in theory) after hitting a person, generating hydrostatic shock. Many countries in the world use the 7.62 round, which packs a greater wallop.

Also listening to the story about the poor NY cops ambushed near Buffalo, there is no such thing as a bullet-proof vest (unless it's made from adamantium, maybe), only bullet-resistant.

[Predator117]

From what I've read and seen, the military uses bullets with more stopping power. They can go through more then one person, wood, and some other building materials before losing alot of their momentum. Police and most criminals use a version that tends to lodge in people. So the suit was built for city fighting, were a soldier migh get hit by a military bullet coming through a wall. The nomex would protect from these type of bullets.

On the Tumbler, what if they only worked on a section, and only a few people knew what the finished product looked like? They could also think that someone at Wayne Industries sold it on the black market.

yea, full metal jackets and hollow tips. hollow tips=police criminals/urban warfare. better. why? theyre more effective in that they mushroom up because theyre hollow so theyre creating a larger gun wound, thus killing easier by allowing more blood loss. a simple kevlar vest and most likely the nomex suit protects against these via shock absorption. they would also stop full metal jackets from a pistol, cuz they have a lower velocity. but like an Ak47 which is an assault rifle, it'd go str8 through it. full metal jackets=army. better. why? they never lose momentum. but worse. they dont create a big enough wound, but can also punture organs which makes them more effective in one way. kevlar vest>> all pistols and shotguns.
i was just wondering if the nomex suit was the same as well, because it said its a kevlar bi-weave, but its a whole suit, and a whole suit of kevlar would really restrict ur movements unlike the Nomex suit which allows very free movement. so it may not be as effective. but then again its a $300,000 dollar prototype. so..yea

[phantom1592]

A bigger issue for me is the batmobile. First, how do you get that out of the buildiing. Second won't everybody in the world see this car that probably 1,000 people helped design and build. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

I've always wondered why nobody can find the cave? That car has what... 3 foot wide tires? and leaves a path of destruction to his front door?!?!


Yeah... Nobody could track THAT thing.

[Tequilamokinbrd]

An easy fix for the "why didn't anyone recognize the tumbler" question is that Wayne Enterprises reported it stolen. Heck, they could say that it was stolen at the same time that their little evaporation gun was taken. Sure that would lead police to possibly believe Batman and Ra's Al Ghul are connected, but if I was Bruce I'd rather people think that than think that Batman and Bruce are linked somehow.



As for how no one was able to track the tumbler to Wayne Manor, I got nothin, unless Wayne Manor has so much surrounding land that that waterfall was far enough away from the actual manor that the police didn't even realize that it was Wayne's property and just figured that he jumped into the waterfall and committed suicide.


But even if that IS what happened, he can't keep doing that and expecting it to work, eventually the cops are gonna go, "Hey, maybe that waterfall leads somewhere"

[tfresca]

An easy fix for the "why didn't anyone recognize the tumbler" question is that Wayne Enterprises reported it stolen. Heck, they could say that it was stolen at the same time that their little evaporation gun was taken. Sure that would lead police to possibly believe Batman and Ra's Al Ghul are connected, but if I was Bruce I'd rather people think that than think that Batman and Bruce are linked somehow.



As for how no one was able to track the tumbler to Wayne Manor, I got nothin, unless Wayne Manor has so much surrounding land that that waterfall was far enough away from the actual manor that the police didn't even realize that it was Wayne's property and just figured that he jumped into the waterfall and committed suicide.


But even if that IS what happened, he can't keep doing that and expecting it to work, eventually the cops are gonna go, "Hey, maybe that waterfall leads somewhere"

I read the novelization of the movie and in it Bruce did a lot more to cover his tracks. There's a trip to the airport for a ski trip that he never makes to keep his identity.

[trickster]

Well, with satellites being able to zoom in so close they can see someone's bald spot, I can't imagine how they'd miss those tracks.
And frankly the Cave? Does the Wayne estate extend that far away from the Manor? I mean what if Gotham expands? Considering the caves are big, all it would take is for builders working on a new subway line to run into those caves and waltz straight into Wayne Manor. And besides there's that radar-type thingy used for finding hollow areas (can't remember what it's called for the life of me right now). All it would take is for someone to put 2 and 2 together and see that the "Bat-man" needs a big place to hide that Monster vehicle.