Discussion about Colossus

[Leaper Queen]

Even before Colossus comitted suicide, he became a kind of character without much feelings to show. Now ever since he came back he's even more like a zombie to me. He got more boring then ever.

I would't mind if they will say he's a Mr. Sinister clone-puppet, made out of Peters DNA and the real Colossus died anyway and was cremated and and Kitty scattered the ashes over his Russian farmland home as they told us before. This Colossus works for Mr. Sinister and after this the Clone Colossus will leave and side with Sinister, Gambit and Sunfire.

What do you think about this?

[steve2275]

i appreciate the concern
i just dont like the leaving for sinister part

[JoJangles the Lizard Monster]

Originally posted by Leaper QueenEven before Colossus comitted suicide, he became a kind of character without much feelings to show. Now ever since he came back he's even more like a zombie to me. He got more boring then ever.

I would't mind if they will say he's a Mr. Sinister clone-puppet, made out of Peters DNA and the real Colossus died anyway and was cremated and and Kitty scattered the ashes over his Russian farmland home as they told us before. This Colossus works for Mr. Sinister and after this the Clone Colossus will leave and side with Sinister, Gambit and Sunfire.

Wouldn't that be weird if Sinister ended up having his own team of X-Men?
He'll end up having Gambit, Sunfire, Clone Colossus, Polaris as Malice, a new Jean clone, and Lockheed!

And they'll all be coming out with a new book next summer called Excalibur vol. 7

[Shane Shooter]

I really think any character has the potential to be great you just gotta have a writer who wants to work with him and do something creative with him ..... Take Warpath for example how boring was he ? now he's all of a sudden a front-runner...just takes somebody with some initiative .....

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I really think any character has the potential to be great you just gotta have a writer who wants to work with him and do something creative with him ..... Take Warpath for example how boring was he ? now he's all of a sudden a front-runner...just takes somebody with some initiative .....

Totally agree. And Warpath is a brilliant example. He fits the bill perfectly under Brubaker's writing, and yet had been limbo'd for so long. Now it's hard to imagine why.

I think there is always a lot of potential in Colossus, but that he is rarely written well.

When you think of all of the All-New All-Different team that Poitr was introduced as part of he is the only one not to have led his own team.

Storm and Logan both effectively ran the X-Men after Zero Tolerance.

Nightcrawler led Excalibur.

Banshee co-led Generation X

Heck, even Sunfire was in charge of Big Hero Six! :D

But Poitr? Nothing. He's not developed a fat lot since the early 80s, and never really properly grown up. Piotr's the solid gold hero type, and I fully expected to find him in charge of his own team by now. We saw how he led the youngsters in the AoA, and sure the twisted and bitter Colossus of that realioty was a bit extreme, but he did have the quality of leadership. Pair that with 616's permanent Colossus' better qualities and I think there's a winning formula.

The problem is that Marvel only seem to be interest in him being paired with his childhood sweetheart, so many years after both realised they weren't right for each other and had moved on. It's a step back for Poitr, not a step forward.

Piotr should have a chance to step out on his own, and try to work out what the hell happened to him after The Legacy Virus, and do some proper soul searching. Pinning him in this twee relationship with Kitty is just plain annoying, and stopping him from acheiving that development.

He's not a kid anymore. It's time somebody acknowledged this, and started writing Rasputin as an adult again.

[TinMan]

What do you think about this?

Terrible idea.

I really think any character has the potential to be great you just gotta have a writer who wants to work with him and do something creative with him ..... Take Warpath for example how boring was he ? now he's all of a sudden a front-runner...just takes somebody with some initiative .....

But Poitr? Nothing. He's not developed a fat lot since the early 80s, and never really properly grown up. Piotr's the solid gold hero type, and I fully expected to find him in charge of his own team by now. We saw how he led the youngsters in the AoA, and sure the twisted and bitter Colossus of that realioty was a bit extreme, but he did have the quality of leadership. Pair that with 616's permanent Colossus' better qualities and I think there's a winning formula.

The problem is that Marvel only seem to be interest in him being paired with his childhood sweetheart, so many years after both realised they weren't right for each other and had moved on. It's a step back for Poitr, not a step forward.

Piotr should have a chance to step out on his own, and try to work out what the hell happened to him after The Legacy Virus, and do some proper soul searching. Pinning him in this twee relationship with Kitty is just plain annoying, and stopping him from acheiving that development.

He's not a kid anymore. It's time somebody acknowledged this, and started writing Rasputin as an adult again.

I whole heartedly agree w/ both of you, he just needs a writer that cares about the character and truly wants to build on him. Colossus definitely has the potential to make a good field leader also, he's a combat vet and has worked under Cyclops for plenty of years, you can't tell me hasn't learned anything from that.

I disagree w/ the Kitty thing though. I think now is a good time to reignite that love interest, Kitty's an adult now and Peter should be far more mature than he used to be considering what he's dealt with. This should be a new starting point for them and a chance at happiness, they just need to treat the relationship w/ respect and maturity.

[Leaper Queen]

Colossus has not only never led a team he didn't even led a squad of students.

A lot of X-Men and former New Mutants have led a team or squad: Cyclops, Emma, Banshee, Storm, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Bishop, Shadowcat, Magma, Moonstar, Karma, Cannonball, Northstar.

Some others like Iceman, Archangel and Colossus never led any team/squad. I guess some X-Men are just not fit to be a leader.

[TinMan]

Colossus has not only never led a team he didn't even led a squad of students.

A lot of X-Men and former New Mutants have led a team or squad: Cyclops, Emma, Banshee, Storm, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Bishop, Shadowcat, Magma, Moonstar, Karma, Cannonball, Northstar.

Some others like Iceman, Archangel and Colossus never led any team/squad. I guess some X-Men are just not fit to be a leader.

I still disagree, with the right writer he could easily develop into a leader, as could Iceman and Archangel. But as stated before, Colossus lead Gen Next in AoA w/ Kitty, that showed his potential.

On a side note Iceman was the leader of his own group in X-Men: The End and Angel has been on many solo missions so I'm sure he could do a fairly good job.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Colossus has not only never led a team he didn't even led a squad of students.

A lot of X-Men and former New Mutants have led a team or squad: Cyclops, Emma, Banshee, Storm, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Bishop, Shadowcat, Magma, Moonstar, Karma, Cannonball, Northstar.

Some others like Iceman, Archangel and Colossus never led any team/squad. I guess some X-Men are just not fit to be a leader.

I don't think it's a case of not being fit to lead a team, more that they just might not be interested.

I don't think that Warren couldn't lead a group. Didn't he lead the Defenders for a while, or the Champions? I forget.

Likewise Bobby.

I think that Poitr could lead, but he'd need to built into the part. I live in hope thatwe will see this someday.

[Blackcat]

To make Colossus a teamleader just to put some more spotline on him is a bad idea to begin with.

First I don't see him as a leader at all, secondly there must be other ways to make Colossus interesting. Because unfortunately I must agree Colossus became a boring zombie after he came back from the dead. Maybe that clone idea isn't that bad.

It would also make perfectly sence since the real Colossus has been burned to dust and thrown in the wind after his suiside.


.

[Shane Shooter]

Age of Apocalypse is an awsome example ......... it was a different Colossus but it was pure Colossus, and it was exceedingly fun to read. Not JUST because he was leader but he was so passionate about everything he did in those stories ....... the potential is definetly there ...... he doesn't HAVE to be a leader of something (although of course I think he could) but he needs to have to face some sort of tragedy, I know his sister died but come on that is ridiculously played... and not just something for Shock Value, but something that he can gradually grow with and can insight different emotions in him and make him more fun to watch

[tedward1984]

I don't think it's a case of not being fit to lead a team, more that they just might not be interested.

I don't think that Warren couldn't lead a group. Didn't he lead the Defenders for a while, or the Champions? I forget.

Likewise Bobby.

I think that Poitr could lead, but he'd need to built into the part. I live in hope thatwe will see this someday.

He formed the Champions, but I believe he deferred leadership to Black Widow. Though with what happened to the Champions, maybe that's why he avoids leadership roles.

[Metallurgique]

I think that sometimes, in a forty year long story, you have to write out a character for good. After a really dramatic death that was the climax of a long arc, maybe it's better to let them stay dead even if a revival will momentarily register an uptick in sales and please fans of that character.

Jean Grey's first "death" and Colossus' should've been done that way. The characters shouldn't have been revived - to do so almost lampoons the "realness" of the story. The Pheonix force should've stayed away after Rachel was finished being Pheonix. Subsequent arcs have less power and fewer consequences, thus they mean less to the reader and the story.

People complain that Claremont has "lost his magic" - but in reality he hasn't - he just has to deal with all of these retcons and revivals and convoluted arcs that he had no part in. His ability to craft an all-encompassing storyline is gone because there's too much going on to have such a storyline. I'm sure it means big sales for Marvel to have ten X-books a month instead of three (like in Claremont's original heyday) - but it also hurts the story and the characters.

Now I think there should be exceptions to this, too. Teenage Magik, for example, isn't dead - merely in Limbo. But Jean and Colossus were dead. Real dead. Doug Ramsey dead. They should've stayed that way.

[theardri]

Age of Apocalypse is an awsome example ......... it was a different Colossus but it was pure Colossus, and it was exceedingly fun to read. Not JUST because he was leader but he was so passionate about everything he did in those stories ....... the potential is definetly there ...... he doesn't HAVE to be a leader of something (although of course I think he could) but he needs to have to face some sort of tragedy, I know his sister died but come on that is ridiculously played... and not just something for Shock Value, but something that he can gradually grow with and can insight different emotions in him and make him more fun to watch

Oh I don't know, he showed some emotion as he foolishly beat the snot out of Shaw (since when did shaw get hurt being beaten???).

[Shane Shooter]

Oh I don't know, he showed some emotion as he foolishly beat the snot out of Shaw (since when did shaw get hurt being beaten???).

If I remember correctly that was a mistake on Colossus' part because Shaw used his the kinetic energy Colossus "gave" him against Tin-head when Shaw Slapped his head and rang his bell .....

(checking comics)