What's Wrong With Vampires In The Ultimate Universe?

[DattaBoy]

I mean seriously this universe does have magic and a Dr. Strange so what's wrong with vampires? I mean there origin can't be as complicated or as confusing as the 616 vampires.

[Toboe]

First of all, I hate the fact that there's "magic" and a Dr. Strange in the Ultimate Universe. Now, I admit I actually like vampires, but if they were to appear in the UU I was expecting something more down to Earth. Maybe like in the Underworld movie, were vampires are created due to a virus and they DON'T turn into wolves and then bats and then a wolf again and then "punch" Spider-Man as a wolf. It would fit on 616, but not in Ultimate. So Bendis was gonna use vampires in the UU, he should at least have come up with a way to have them fit in this universe, which is like the opposite of what he did.
Although it seems he's not paying too much attention to USM right now. I hope it's because he's concentrating on the Clone Saga, which will also probably suck but whatever...

[Alan2099]

Nothing is wrong with vampires. Nothing at all. Anybody that tells you otherwise if fooling themselves.

[Korinthian]

In that case I want to see Spider-Man helping Lucky Luke that's riding around on a My Little Pony(tm) catch the semi-evil professor Snape. Because that is what comic books are all about, to include every character and idea in a comic universe just because "those" things are in there already. Once you put one idea in the UU, you can also put another completely unrelated, yet equally "amazing" things in there.

A comic book universe without clear limits is a circus and the people who don't realize this are clowns.

[Huzzah!]

Everyone in the Ultimate universe already is a vampire. But instead of blood they live off Mt Dew and Doritos


EXTREMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE

[DattaBoy]

First of all, I hate the fact that there's "magic" and a Dr. Strange in the Ultimate Universe. Now, I admit I actually like vampires, but if they were to appear in the UU I was expecting something more down to Earth. Maybe like in the Underworld movie, were vampires are created due to a virus and they DON'T turn into wolves and then bats and then a wolf again and then "punch" Spider-Man as a wolf. It would fit on 616, but not in Ultimate. So Bendis was gonna use vampires in the UU, he should at least have come up with a way to have them fit in this universe, which is like the opposite of what he did.
Although it seems he's not paying too much attention to USM right now. I hope it's because he's concentrating on the Clone Saga, which will also probably suck but whatever...

Is it so hard to believe in Magic and other mystical things in Universe where Earth was once upon a time ruled by anicent superhuman races or where an ancient gem can give the user super strength.

In that case I want to see Spider-Man helping Lucky Luke that's riding around on a My Little Pony(tm) catch the semi-evil professor Snape. Because that is what comic books are all about, to include every character and idea in a comic universe just because "those" things are in there already. Once you put one idea in the UU, you can also put another completely unrelated, yet equally "amazing" things in there.

A comic book universe without clear limits is a circus and the people who don't realize this are clowns.

How can you put limits on a writer's imagination?
And seriously I think that there are clear limits placed on the Ultimate Universe it's just that Vampires and magic just aren't one of them.

[Drakenred]

more like pure Red Bull syrup

not that diluted stuff they sell in the cans

[Alan2099]

In that case I want to see Spider-Man helping Lucky Luke that's riding around on a My Little Pony(tm) catch the semi-evil professor Snape. Because that is what comic books are all about, to include every character and idea in a comic universe just because "those" things are in there already. Once you put one idea in the UU, you can also put another completely unrelated, yet equally "amazing" things in there.

Hey! Spoiler tags! You've just ruined the next arc of Ultimate Spider-man!

A comic book universe without clear limits is a circus and the people who don't realize this are clowns.

On the flipside, a comic universe with clear limts only limts the stories it can tell.

I don't like clows anyway. They always make fun of the way I dress.

[Mobey Wee]

We already have a Norse God, time travel, an alien swarm of one collective intelligence, reality-altering powers, a zombie alternate earth... how are vampires worse than any of this?
I agree that there need to be some limitations, but I surely don't see vampires as being overboard.

[Xany Kaos]

On the flipside, a comic universe with clear limts only limts the stories it can tell.

Not really. Limits are good, to a degree. A lot of times, they help people tell a story, rather than hinder it. Limit--22 pages for your comic (unless you've got darn good reason). Result (ideally)--a story with a beginning, middle, and end that's not too long, but long enough to be intresting without having clutter. The clear limits don't have to be confining, but a lot of times, I've seen people do better work creatively if there are, actually some limits. Maybe not set in stone, but at least some vauge ideas.

Heck, even censorship can lend itself toward better story-telling. Remember Batman: TAS? The episode where they flashback to Dick's parents' deaths? Network wouldn't allow them to show it, so instead they did this whole thing with a silohette, reaction shots, dangling rope...and it was so much more powerful than people falling to their doom would've been.

...where on earth was I going with that?

[Alan2099]

The key words there being "to a degree."

[WoodenDummy]

In that case I want to see Spider-Man helping Lucky Luke that's riding around on a My Little Pony(tm) catch the semi-evil professor Snape. Because that is what comic books are all about, to include every character and idea in a comic universe just because "those" things are in there already. Once you put one idea in the UU, you can also put another completely unrelated, yet equally "amazing" things in there.

A comic book universe without clear limits is a circus and the people who don't realize this are clowns.

Fiar enough, but the UU was meant to be a little more down to earth. I remember telling my GF when we watched Blade 3 that he was in the same universe as the X-Men and Spiderman, she just kinda looked at me funny.

[Korinthian]

alan: "a comic universe with clear limts only limts the stories it can tell."

Yes, which is a good thing. Does this mean you finally understand?

dattaboy: "How can you put limits on a writer's imagination?
And seriously I think that there are clear limits placed on the Ultimate Universe it's just that Vampires and magic just aren't one of them."

Any idiot can write down whatever comes to mind, or plagiarize whatever episode of Buffy the vampire slayer they just watched. Not allowing a writer to put in Teletubbies and Drow elves in a specific comic book universe isn't "limiting imagination", saying so is just silly. If a writer can't write within a pre-existing world, he's not much of a writer and should be fired ASAP.

Magic removes many limits, because anything is possible! Magician can apparently (but is not limited to) duplicate other people's powers. Which brings me back to limits. Batman, Spider-man, Daredevil, Wolverine, none of them are the most powerful, or even "very powerful" but they are very popular with readers and movie-goers (except Daredevil the movie, which sucked) which is, I believe, largely due to the fact that they have flaws, aren't impossible to kill (in theory at least. I have a hard time seeing anyone killing off Spider-man), have personal problems. Those are limits to heroes that might as well could have been morally incorruptible, invincible, Supermen. Had they been all-powerful, their villains have to be even more so, because why would we care about our hero if he never was in danger? Superman has basically just one limit, which is kryptonite, so when he is in danger we dont have to look for for that specific mineral. That's an example of too few limits.

Bleh, it feels like I'm talking to a wall about things I have said before and things that should be obvious. I'll stop here.

[Mobey Wee]

Ok, and how are vampires beyond this limit? Look at the other stuff already in the UU. YOU may not like it being there, but obviously most other people do, and dont' see it as pushing any limits too far. We've got an alternate earth run by zombies, and probably 2 norse gods running around, but you say vampires are too far? Vampires are still pretty down to earth, and I think it's great... I hope to see more.

Seriously I agree with a good bit of what you said, I just think you can have magic (as it is an important part of the marvel universe, it should be here as well).

and superman is way more powerful than any vampire i know of :D. vampires have plenty of weaknesses, and aren't indestructable or anything.

Bleh, it feels like I'm talking to a wall about things I have said before and things that should be obvious. I'll stop here.

[Toboe]

We already have a Norse God, time travel, an alien swarm of one collective intelligence, reality-altering powers, a zombie alternate earth... how are vampires worse than any of this?
I agree that there need to be some limitations, but I surely don't see vampires as being overboard.

They are not worse. They're just as bad as all of this. Maybe vampires could have fitted in the UU if worked with carefully, but what Bendis did is just so...616. And I don't believe anyone's happy with the reality-altering powers or time travel... I just seriously hope Millar doesn't make Thor a real Norse god, and leave him as a crazy dude who stole the Norwegain super soldier program, but seeing how the story has gone so far, I doubt it.
It seems like every time a writer pulls out something "fantastic" like magic, alternate zombie Earths, time-travel, etc., another qiriter (or the same) takes another step forward. They are slowly turning the Ultimate Universe into the 616, and they really need to stop this NOW.