Ultimate Loki Is Not Evil!

[NYRUNAWAY]

In Norse mythology, as well the mythology of various mythologies throughout history, the trickster in their actions often in the end bring about change for the betterment of humanity. Witness for example, the formation of the 616 Avengers. Had it not been for the plotting of Loki, Earth's Mightest Heros would probably not have been formed.
In the Ultimate Universe it is quite reasonable to infer that in the end this ordeal would bring the Ultimate team closer together and give them more cohesion. Furthermore, with the uncertainty of Thor's "God" status Loki could be using this opportunity to prove that Asgard and the gods associated with them are a real.
Tricksters although they are mischievious aren't evil to the degree that they can be seen as incarnations of the "Devil'. I know some people will argue that in the case of the Ultimates that the wholesale death and destruction in this current arc merits comparison to the Devil. In the end the actions of the trickster in many cases makes mankind pay greater attention to what is right and good.

OR MAYBE ALL THIS TALK ABOUT GOOD AND EVIL IS RELATIVE DEPENDING ON PERSPECTIVE AND CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS BIAS OF COURSE

[The Foreigner]

Causing World War III isn't evil? I'd have to disagree with that.

[Maleficentogre]

I agree, loki isn't evil. He's tricky and mischevous. He's not out to conquer the world or wipe humanity off of the planet. He's just out to have a little fun. My opinion probably doesn't count because I don't think any of the liberators are inherantly evil either.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

It's perception. Personally I don't think Loki cares about the results of what he's doing. He's amused and that's enough for him to do it.

[The Foreigner]

It's perception. Personally I don't think Loki cares about the results of what he's doing. He's amused and that's enough for him to do it.

You could say that about a lot of serial killers. That doesn't mean what they are doing isn't evil.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

You could say that about a lot of serial killers. That doesn't mean what they are doing isn't evil.

But is it evil to them? It's perception. Not whether the act really is evil or good but how different people see it.


Were the Crusades evil? Lot of people died but the Catholic Church told knights that their place in Heaven was secure if they fougt in them.

Did the Muslims see the Catholics as doing God's work or were the Catholics the evil ones in their eyes?

[Mothmonsterman]

Person A murders a man in a fit of rage.

Person B murders a man to amuse himself.

So is Person A evil and Person B a fun-loving party guy?

[The Foreigner]

But is it evil to them? It's perception. Not whether the act really is evil or good but how different people see it.


Were the Crusades evil? Lot of people died but the Catholic Church told knights that their place in Heaven was secure if they fougt in them.

Did the Muslims see the Catholics as doing God's work or were the Catholics the evil ones in their eyes?

So I suppose the 9/11 attacks weren't acts of evil, because those that commited them thought they were in the right?

Just because Loki doesn't believe himself to be evil, doesn't mean he's not. Attempting to bring about World War III (And, in effect, destroying life on Earth) is pretty damn evil, whether he thinks so or not.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

So I suppose the 9/11 attacks weren't acts of evil, because those that commited them thought they were in the right?

Just because Loki doesn't believe himself to be evil, doesn't mean he's not. Attempting to bring about World War III (And, in effect, destroying life on Earth) is pretty damn evil, whether he thinks so or not.

Look at the mythology, Loki sees everything as a game. Everything happens as a part of the game. Sometimes he wins and sometimes he doesn't. Right now he could be said to be winning. He doesn't see it as evil. He even said he was basically leveling the playing field and giving a god to both sides.

You see it as evil. I see it as evil. He doesn't see it as evil. The "Anti-Ultimates" don't see it as evil. All they are doing is knocking America down a few notches and showing them that they aren't untouchable.

In any war, both sides think they are on the side of right or the good side.

[Mothmonsterman]

Look at the mythology, Loki sees everything as a game. Everything happens as a part of the game.

And?

Isn't is more evil to treat things like murder so casually?

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

And?

Isn't is more evil to treat things like murder so casually?

Isn't that what we do when we justify murder as self-defense? It's still murder. Someone still dies. Soldiers kill in battles and no one blinks an eye.

[Korinthian]

It's all in how it is presented.

We think of Loki as evil (most of us).

We don't really think of Hulk as evil though,

or Hawkeye (Killing for revenge makes for great stories, but it is an act of evil).

And Loki didn't single-handedly start WW3, like it or not, USA (SHIELD) helped.

To Loki this is all killing ants with a magnifying glass, which is "naughty", at best :-)

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

It's all in how it is presented.

We think of Loki as evil (most of us).

We don't really think of Hulk as evil though,

or Hawkeye (Killing for revenge makes for great stories, but it is an act of evil).

And Loki didn't single-handedly start WW3, like it or not, USA (SHIELD) helped.

To Loki this is all killing ants with a magnifying glass, which is "naughty", at best :-)

THank you. That's what I was trying to say.

[Gnarl]

Loki, as a god, is not human.

That makes a bit of a difference when trying to peg his actions as good or evil. He is playing with a different, arguably lesser, species.

Morally, he is closer to a man stirring up conflict between two tribes of Chimps than a serial killer. And if he can, as he said, "shuffle reality as a pack of cards" what is murder to him? It is not as if he can't unmurder someone if he wants to.

[Siddon]

I have a very strong feeling that Ultimate Shield and the rest of the world are going to ber very far on the outs after this season.

Maybe just maybe a setup for Ultimate Kang (Nick Fury)