The Guns n Roses thread !

[pariah-1972]

It's entirely possible to like them both.

[DWEarhart]

I'm really enjoying Chinese Democracy - not for what it should have been over a decade ago - not for what I wish it was, with the old GnR alumni back in the fold - but for what it is. It's a really good album if you'e willing to accept it for what the singularity that it is. And even then, others may disagree. But I'm liking it alot.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm really enjoying Chinese Democracy - not for what it should have been over a decade ago - not for what I wish it was, with the old GnR alumni back in the fold - but for what it is. It's a really good album if you'e willing to accept it for what the singularity that it is. And even then, others may disagree. But I'm liking it alot.

Yeah that seems to be the basic thing. The critics who have trashed it wanna hold it up to the previous greatness....those albums. And that era is gone and done....

Plus some as you posted wanna try and believe the album should cure cancer , feed the homeless and basically end poverty. (Gets ready for the hell those statements cause)

If they listen to it like music and not expect some big deal...it could be a great album for them.

[Spike-X]

I'm really enjoying Chinese Democracy - not for what it should have been over a decade ago - not for what I wish it was, with the old GnR alumni back in the fold - but for what it is. It's a really good album if you'e willing to accept it for what the singularity that it is. And even then, others may disagree. But I'm liking it alot.

That's the approach that I brought to the album. I found that some songs I quite liked, others I hated. Not in comparison to, say, Appetite, but on their own merits as individual songs.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I was basically going thru a message board and they had pictures of people who bought the album. Pretty funny....some bought 1-2 copies....hell one lady bought 5 copies claiming 3 were for friends.

Then they showed this guy....and laid out on his pillow/couch was (as I counted) 26 copies of Chinese Democracy ! No shit....26 copies. X-Mas gifts maybe ? Who the fuck knows.....26 copies....I'll post the link tomorrow.

[Spike-X]

That seems a tad excessive.

Maybe he really likes Dr Pepper?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That seems a tad excessive.

Maybe he really likes Dr Pepper?

True..... but the funny thing is Axl Rose is pushing Dr.Pepper to print a full apology for the debacle that became . (they lied and made it a special 1 day event ...instead of a 2-3 month deal...then the website went down)

Rose's lawyer claims he wants Dr.Pepper to print full page apologizes in the USA Today , Rolling Stone ...and a few other newspapers to fans. And if not.... Rose will sue and demand that Dr.Pepper acted without his consent and tried to use his album as sales leverage.

I suspect they will print the apologizes and maybe run the free Dr.Pepper thing again....longer this time.

[pariah-1972]

I think it's funny that he is suing Dr. Pepper just because they kept there word.

It's not there fault if they ran into some problems.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think it's funny that he is suing Dr. Pepper just because they kept there word.

It's not there fault if they ran into some problems.

Except he's not sueing...he is hinting at it from a letter his lawyer sent the CEO or President of the company. And they didn't keep their word. The promotion was basically "Everyone in the world gets a Dr.Pepper !"

Then they realized they were FUCKED sideways by this huge stunt so they changed it to whoever buys the album. But as one poster on MyG'n'R posted : "Ok here they have months and could put a special coupon in the CD cases you buy online and at stores. Why not do this ?"

But they were basically not wanting to make it easy for anyone to get this. So they made it some hard damn deal to fill out online and print off. And the website went down in a day due to huge demand.

So here.....yes Axl Rose is a class A# dickhead , but he basically knows he could get blamed for a publicity stunt ran by a company in a shoddy piss poor way.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Heres a link to the dude who has all the CD's. I was wrong with the number.... he has 30+ CD's ! Wow...thats a pretty major fan.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/b...opic=54322.160

[Spike-X]

What a sad loser.

And yes, I'd say the same of anyone who bought 30 copies of the same Bruce Springsteen or Ryan Adams CD.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

What a sad loser.

And yes, I'd say the same of anyone who bought 30 copies of the same Bruce Springsteen or Ryan Adams CD.

I could understand buying 2 copies....maybe 3 ....1 for each vehicle and at home maybe. I've only ever bought 2 albums max and that was because my 1st copy of a CD got scratched (Guns n Roses Use your Illusion II) or it was stolen ... (Metallica S & M) when my truck was stolen from me.

But 30 copies ? Thats well..... excessive.

If you look there is fans who did buy 2 or more copies. They bought a CD and LP of the album. And the LP seems to be something that people are enjoying. Sebastian Bach claims he bought a CD and LP of the album and is spinning the record on his player (he goes in to describe it in great geek fashion !)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...sitemID=109708

SEBASTIAN BACH Says 'Chinese Democracy' Is 'The Definition Of Great Rock 'N' Roll' - Nov. 26, 2008

Former SKID ROW frontman Sebastian Bach, who spent much of 2006 and 2007 touring as the support act for GUNS N' ROSES, has issued the following update:

"Let's talk audio here. Just like you and the rest of the planet, since Sunday I have spent every waking moment I can listening to 'Chinese Democracy'. Recently I purchased a brand new turntable, partly because it has a USB cord on the back so you can make MP3s of your albums. Funny thing, I have not made one MP3 yet since I bought it. Fact is, any ear can hear that albums sound far richer, clearer and more natural by far than mp3's and even standard CDs. Once I started listening to my albums again, the only use I now have for MP3s is their portability. It's definitely cool to carry your whole collection around in your pocket, but as far as sound goes, analog whups digital's ass, hands down, no contest.

"Which leads me to 'Chinese Democracy'. Picked up the 180-gram vinyl double album and the CD as well for the car. This is the first brand new album I have bought in over 15 years, for sure, possibly 20 years. All I can say is, we as music fans have lost a lot with the so-called (premature? one can only hope) 'demise' of the LP. As soon as I ran my fingernail down the side, splitting the cellophane and opened the gatefold sleeve, I knew I was in for a full-on rock'n'roll 'experience' getting into this LP. I pulled out disc 1 and was immediately struck by how 'heavy' this vinyl was. It's like my dad's old original copy of 'Led Zeppelin 2'. Not flimsy, lightweight vinyl like records became in the late '80s. 'Chinese Democracy' is a heavy, thick 'platter' of a record. I couldn't wait to crank it.

"For your information, the Bach stereo system consists of : the 'Ion' turntable through a Pioneer VSX-52 Amplifier. I run this through an AudioControl C-101 equalizier, with Adcom poweramps. My speakers are JBL Control 10s with a Velodyne sub-woofer on a hardwood floor. Yes, I can make my whole house literally shake if I want, and yes, the lights actually dim for a second in my living room when I fire all the gear up. I dig it. In short, it kicks ass.

"As soon as I dropped the needle on 'Chinese Democracy', I was captivated by the sound of this record and the thought, talent, and care put into this piece of art from all involved. The power, clarity, separation and production of this music is nothing short of incredible. As loud as I want, I can still hear the vocals, guitars and everything else perfectly clear, with the bass rumbling my guts (and below) just like it should. When Axl rips into the line 'even with an iron fist' in the first song, the blood in my veins starts to boil and the intensity does not let up until the end of side four. What I hear on this record is unbelievable pathos, 100% of Axl's heart and soul on record for all of us to hear. When he sings a song such as 'Street Of Dreams', it's like Janis Joplin at her best, with Quincy Jones' quote of 'melody is king' operating in full effect. The melodies on this record rip my heart out. To hear them sung by the beautiful/deadly instrument that is Axl Rose's voice is something that is to me, truly special, not to mention really cool to own and be able to blast 'on stun' whenever I choose. Four times today so far, but who's counting.

"I cannot stop listening to this record. 'Scraped', 'Riad N' The Bedouins', 'Street Of Dreams', 'IRS', everytime I listen I have a new favorite. Brain, Bumblefoot, Robin Finck, everyone on the record played their asses off; the production is stellar; I haven't even got to the lyrics, still too blown away by the sheer sound to tackle the words.... yet! The album is, above all: Original. Heartfelt. Without compromise. How many records can you honestly describe in that way today? This is like nothing I have ever heard. And I can't wait to hear it again. Which is, to me, the definition of great rock'n'roll."

Sure people will proclaim Bach's kissing Axl's ass big time. But I loved hearing him go into geek mode discussing his player and how he loves playing an album on it. Nice to see that.

[Spike-X]

I could understand buying 2 copies....maybe 3 ....1 for each vehicle and at home maybe.

That's what we have CD burners for. There's no way I'd risk leaving original discs in a car.

If you look there is fans who did buy 2 or more copies. They bought a CD and LP of the album.

I can understand that, as well. CD for portability, and LP for the sound quality, and the 'cool' factor.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That's what we have CD burners for. There's no way I'd risk leaving original discs in a car.

I'll take them with me and make sure they go back the cases. I will rip CD's at times....its a "Must Rip" case and have done maybe 10 CD's like that.

Imagine losing 50+ CD's in a pickup. Man that was the saddest day I ever had. (Insurance wouldn't pay for the CD's....had to replace em all myself)