The Guns n Roses thread !

[Spike-X]

Slash was either fired or he quit ...and a lot was due to Paul Tobious (aka Paul Huge). He never got along with him. The rest were fired after Slash. By this point Rose wanted to go ahead and make his masterpiece and its clear he felt they were holding him back.

He shoulda just made an album under his own name then, instead of dragging the G'n'R name through the mud.

How long do you think AC/DC was in a studio playing with their dicks ?

According to Wikipedia, recording was under way as early as Jan 2006. Which is still a hell of a lot shorter than seventeen years.

Maybe people should think about that when they think of long recording processes. Its not just Axl Rose taking his good time.

Taking a couple of years to make an album is self-indulgence. Taking seventeen years is just bloody ridiculous,

The same holds true to Matt Sorum....most old G'N'R fans would rather have Sorum as drummer than Adler...since Adler's drug addled. And Sorum joined after the 1st 2 albums during the Illusion era.

Sure, but nobody would refer to him as an 'original member'.

[pariah-1972]

That Metallica cd was delayed quite a number of times but nowhere as bad as Chinese Democracy.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Being an original band member means that you were a part of the original line-up of the band, regardless of your contributions to it.

Which is true...unless the original member of the band is pretty fucked up due to drugs. Its why many older Guns fans would if a reunion happens...Matt Sorum be the drummer.

The $15 million figure came up back in 2005 in a New York Times article. (And it turns out it was actually $13 million.) So out of that figure, probably not that much.

Its gonna be something to watch. Rose its said had Bach in for recording sessions for "Sorry" in 2007. Bumblefoot came in and did sessions in 2006/2007 and its said they were the parts Buckethead had done. Del James claims final mixing of the album happened in early 2008.

I don't care if the original band broke up. I haven't even bought Appetite For Destruction yet (if I ever will). That said all I have is the "Chinese Democracy" track to go on and I find it striking that after some thirteen years of fiddling over the album, all Axl has to offer for a teaser is post-Pearl Jam, post-Nickelback genero-rock? That's very telling.

I think its pretty weird that you've never listened to a Guns n Roses song beyond "Chinese Democracy" and yet ...its a low point for the band. I mean if I went into Radiohead threads and trashed "In Rainbows" being not a huge fan (I do own The Bends) how would that sound.

The bands sound started changing after Appetite ...they had stuff left over for "Lies" that the label slapped togethor for an album (4 tracks) and Use your Illusion was a big change . They used keyboards , orchestras ect ect.

Even their last track togethor "Sympothy for the Devil" was full of production and showed Rose was moving in that direction. Being honest...you should go and get some cheap copies of the albums and maybe then it would be easier to judge how things went and changed.

I can't wait to hear "This I Love". Its supposed to be Axl's strongest song he wrote.

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Being an original band member means that you were a part of the original line-up of the band, regardless of your contributions to it.

Which is true...unless the original member of the band is pretty fucked up due to drugs.

No, not 'unless' anything. Being an original member means you were there from the beginning. Being brought in two albums later means you are not an original member.

It's like Max Weinberg and Roy Bittan in the E Street Band. Both amazing at what they do, and the band would've sounded a whole lot different without them, but that doesn't make them original members of the E Street Band, because they aren't.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

He shoulda just made an album under his own name then, instead of dragging the G'n'R name through the mud.

Well lets see...did the band release any bad albums like most of the late 80's bands ? No...and its always been said that unlike bands like Motley Crue and others...somehow Rose managed to keep the whole "Guns n Roses" name above that by not releasing a shit album when those bands did in the 90's.

Its not like he was out selling the band on soundtracks. Beyond the "End of Days" soundtrack and the recent "Body of Lies" that was it. They have done video games to get the name exposed to this generation of fans...so many it has helped .

According to Wikipedia, recording was under way as early as Jan 2006. Which is still a hell of a lot shorter than seventeen years.

Those dickheads....2 years ! 2 years....damn them.

Taking a couple of years to make an album is self-indulgence. Taking seventeen years is just bloody ridiculous,

Lets do a bit of reality here....G'n'R toured the Illusion albums for 2 years and didn't stop til 1993. In 1994/1995 they met and started work on the next album. Then things fell apart during the cover of Sympothy for the Devil.

Rose had to go and get new players...so the real recording of Chinese Democracy didn't start til 1998-1999 in that time period. So its been a decade ...and while its still no excuse...its not 17 years of Axl and them all in a studio working on an album.

Sure, but nobody would refer to him as an 'original member'.

But they'd rather have him than the original member of the band. There are different era's of Guns n Roses....Dizzy is the last link to the Use yor Illusion era of the band and Izzy , Slash & Duff.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

No, not 'unless' anything. Being an original member means you were there from the beginning. Being brought in two albums later means you are not an original member.

Fine then...you guys can say if the dream reunion ever happens Steven Adler should be a part of the original band since he was there from the begining. :rolleyes:

It's like Max Weinberg and Roy Bittan in the E Street Band. Both amazing at what they do, and the band would've sounded a whole lot different without them, but that doesn't make them original members of the E Street Band, because they aren't.

What era of the band did they join in ? How many albums did the original band do before them ? I'm being honest...no huge E Street Band guy . Does older fans think they are better and if a reunion happened...they should be in the place of the originals or not .

[Spike-X]

Well lets see...did the band release any bad albums like most of the late 80's bands ? No...and its always been said that unlike bands like Motley Crue and others...somehow Rose managed to keep the whole "Guns n Roses" name above that by not releasing a shit album when those bands did in the 90's.

Oh, I see. so by not releasing any product at all for over a decade, he was actually doing the G'n'R name a favour?

Dizzy is the last link to the Use yor Illusion era of the band and Izzy , Slash & Duff.

Dizzy Reed was a hired hand brought in for the third album, and is not an original member of the band. He's not a 'link' to anything. Man, the way you keep moving the goalposts, you should try out for a job as White House press secretary.

[Spike-X]

Fine then...you guys can say if the dream reunion ever happens Steven Adler should be a part of the original band since he was there from the begining. :rolleyes:

If he can fulfill his duties, sure. If not, then not. Either way, that doesn't make Matt Sorum, or Dizzy Reed, or anybody else who was not an original member of the band, an original member of the band.

What era of the band did they join in ?

They joined for the recording of the Born To Run album (after the song Born To Run was recorded).

How many albums did the original band do before them ?

Two.

I'm being honest...no huge E Street Band guy . Does older fans think they are better and if a reunion happened...they should be in the place of the originals or not .

It would be spectacular to see an E Street Band show with Vini Lopez* and David Sancious playing drums and piano, respectively. It's never gonna happen, but that's neither here nor there as far as them being original members go, because they are original members, and Roy and Max are not.


* Vini did get up with the band for one song at one of the Giants stadium shows at the end of The Rising tour in 2003.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Oh, I see. so by not releasing any product at all for over a decade, he was actually doing the G'n'R name a favour?

Pretty much. Because as one article in (I believe it was Rolling Stone) the type of music Rose did then went out of style in the late 90's. Those boy bands had came in and took the time and it had shifted musically. So perhaps by sitting back , Rose avioded what had hurt the bands then .

Its crazy strategy but well...it seemingly worked. Its allowed this anticpation to build for an album that many have watched for ..for a decade. And the band still plays to packed shows...(2006-2007 tour) and never release an album to tour it. So maybe this crazyness actually benefited Guns n Roses .

Dizzy Reed was a hired hand brought in for the third album, and is not an original member of the band. He's not a 'link' to anything. Man, the way you keep moving the goalposts, you should try out for a job as White House press secretary.

Thats cool...I mean Obama needs a White House press secretary....he has my resume. I bet I could have done a hell of a job for Bush had he hired me.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

If he can fulfill his duties, sure. If not, then not. Either way, that doesn't make Matt Sorum, or Dizzy Reed, or anybody else who was not an original member of the band, an original member of the band.







They joined for the recording of the Born To Run album (after the song Born To Run was recorded).



Two.



It would be spectacular to see an E Street Band show with Vini Lopez* and David Sancious playing drums and piano, respectively. It's never gonna happen, but that's neither here nor there as far as them being original members go, because they are original members, and Roy and Max are not.


* Vini did get up with the band for one song at one of the Giants stadium shows at the end of The Rising tour in 2003.

Ok how many albums since Born to Run has those 2 did in the E Street Band ? I know Springsteen has been pretty productive ..

[Spike-X]

Ok how many albums since Born to Run has those 2 did in the E Street Band ? I know Springsteen has been pretty productive ..

Many, many albums.

That still doesn't make them original members.

And Dizzy Lizzy has made, what, two actual, officially released albums with Guns'n'Roses?

That also doesn't make him an original member.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Many, many albums.

That still doesn't make them original members.

And Dizzy Lizzy has made, what, two actual, officially released albums with Guns'n'Roses?

That also doesn't make him an original member.

This will be his 3rd....upcoming album. Ok...again...since no one will accept last link to the original band good luck then. Thanks for the info on the E Street Band. I'm not hating at all....if anyone thinks it came across that way.

[Spike-X]

Thanks for the info on the E Street Band. I'm not hating at all....if anyone thinks it came across that way.

Not at all.

[DonC]

In case anyone cares, it's now official: Geffen Records has confirmed that the new CD will be released November 23rd. The first single, "Chinese Democracy" hit the airwaves Wednesday.

[Adam C]

Which is true...unless the original member of the band is pretty fucked up due to drugs. Its why many older Guns fans would if a reunion happens...Matt Sorum be the drummer.

And what, if anything, does that have to do with the actual definition of being "an original member of the band?"

I think its pretty weird that you've never listened to a Guns n Roses song beyond "Chinese Democracy" and yet ...its a low point for the band. I mean if I went into Radiohead threads and trashed "In Rainbows" being not a huge fan (I do own The Bends) how would that sound.

It's weird that you assume I am saying this since I never argued that "Chinese Democracy" was a low point for the band. I merely argued that judged on its own merits the track is rather generic and does not hold out the promise of Chinese Democracy being an interesting album for me, let alone a masterpiece 13 years in the making. The sound of original Guns'n'Roses have nothing to do with my judgement of the first single by the current incarnation of the band. (And have heard the band's songs before.)

Even their last track togethor "Sympothy for the Devil" was full of production and showed Rose was moving in that direction. Being honest...you should go and get some cheap copies of the albums and maybe then it would be easier to judge how things went and changed.

Well there ya' go. I hated their cover of "Sympathy for the Devil" so its clearly not for me.