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This is it in a nut shell.

Its almost impossible to reconcile the character in this issue of Avengers with the one shown recently in Avengers Assemble.

Its also interesting that where once the...

That might be true.

True that.

People tend to pay more attention to catchy little bumper stickers.

She probably didn't save lives, sadly. These men's organizations are still intact.

I would agree that this iteration of Natasha should not be an Avenger.

Exactly. And we have seen over in New Avengers how that works, not to mention Stark's actions during Civil War.

No, honestly, and can only conclude that unlike the four dead guys on the floor I dodged a bullet on that one. But clearly this is new for The Avengers.

As to whether she knew the best way to do...

A big part of the discussion here is that many folks disagree about whether there should even be consequences.

People keep mentioning Wolverine, but I can't recall an appearance by Logan where he exhibited this kind of apparent enjoyment in killing. I'm not sure I remember him using torture either.

Indeed,...

Perhaps. We have only Natasha's single smile to go by. But it indicates a personal pleasure at having killed rather than a professional detachment at doing what is necessary.

What is interesting...

Having read the books I disagree. Ned Stark takes no pleasure in killing, nor does Baristan the Bold or Daenerys. Even Tywin Lannister is not so twisted.

Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones. The last is a good example. Who is a character that enjoys killing? Why, that would be The Mountain Gregor Clegane. Who is a...?

Yep. Sociopath.

Your everyone seems to include a lot of folks here who seem to think the writer doesn't :wink:

Killing perhaps. Enjoying it, no.

Killing perhaps. Enjoying it, no.

And I've studied and taught it and the lessons are fairly clear - power really does corrupt, and the power of life and death should always be used dispassionately and kept from the hands of the...

Truly it does even in fiction. Which is one reason why I can enjoy movies like the Outlaw Josse Wales - Clint Eastwood doesn't play a sociopath.

History. :smile:

You're right. Properly that describes somebody who shoots anyone who is helpless and smiles about it.

One thing that makes me laugh ironically is that all the folks here who have supported this version of Nat would crap their pants if she turned up in their kitchen with a reason to believe they had...

But to judge by reaction here a significant number seem concerned she killed offed them.



It should be a story, yes, or it should not have been written in.



A problem with the way their...

One obvious difference is Bin a laden was killed in a gunfight. One likes to think that had he been found unarmed and surrendered the team who located him would not have just shot him in the head.
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Sorry, this is just demonstrably wrong even in the real world. If a soldier kills in combat, we don't try them for murder. If they kill an unarmed prisoner who is no threat, that's murder.

Mephisto: ROFLMAO

Meanwhile, Mephisto is laughing his ass off...

Because lets not forget in the Marvel Universe, evil is real. You can argue about it all you want in our world but on Earth 616 there is no debate....

Just researching some reading strategies for my students tomorrow and came across this, which I thought was apt. Readers here are probably advanced since we constantly question and debate.

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