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Great and insightful post, considered among the posts made in this thread so far. The way this thread reads, it's like propaganda against this Mr. Card fellow; almost as if this thread represents the...

This is the one I'll agree with; the bench pressing Earth for 5 days, I'll take that as an after the fact inconsistency. Great post.

Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 16
Forge 19
Loki 20
Namor 19
Nightcrawler 4+
Rachel Howlett 14

Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 15
Forge 20
Gambit 5
Loki 19
Namor 20
Nightcrawler 10+
Rachel Summers 19

Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 15
Forge 20
Gambit 20
Khan 15
Loki 20
Namor 20
Nightcrawler 15+
Rachel Howlett 20
Storm 1

Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 14
Forge 20
Gambit 20
Khan 15
Loki 20
Namor 20
Nightcrawler 14+
Rachel Howlett 20
Storm 6

I guess I'm one of those few people who actually liked Superman IV. Nuclear Man just etched himself into one of those hard to forget, enjoyable moments for me.

Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 14
Forge 20
Gambit 20
Khan 15
Loki 20
Namor 20
Nightcrawler 13+
Rachel Howlett 20
Storm 12

Also, notice how Superman has that strained look on his face when he handles large objects like say an airplane? So, being implied to handle a planet sized object is like an after the fact arbitrary...

'You got to know that being shown as pushing a planet in the Silver Age of comics was one of those cartoon feats; no one actually takes that seriously, if that's something you're trying to use to...

Where do you get the notion that Superman is above class 100? Whereas Marvel has attempted to provide a strength system, DC has left it arbitrary and open to arbitrary adjustments. Had Marvel not...

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Dracula 14
Forge 20
Gambit 20
Khan 15
Loki 20
Namor 19
Nightcrawler 12+
Rachel Howlett 20
Storm 13

Callisto 4
Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 13
Forge 20
Gambit 20
Khan 17
Loki 20
Namor 19
Nightcrawler 13+
Rachel Howlett 20

Callisto 6
Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 13
Forge 20
Gambit 19
Khan 17
Loki 19
Namor 18
Nightcrawler 12+
Rachel Howlett 20

Callisto 8
Dr. Doom 18
Dracula 13
Forge 20
Gambit 18
Jean Grey 7-
Khan 17
Loki 19
Namor 18
Nightcrawler 12+

Callisto 8
Dr. Doom 19
Dracula 13
Forge 20
Gambit 18
Jean Grey 9
Khan 17
Loki 19
Namor 18
Nightcrawler 11+

Cable 1
Callisto 9
Colossus 9
Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 13
Forge 20
Gambit 12
Jean Grey 11
Khan 18
Loki 20

No removing Wonder Woman's powers necessary. How about this characteristic of Catwoman? Abilities: all of Catwoman's abilities in all other scenarios except fighting Wonder Woman; Catwoman acquires...

That's what I was thinking, but would have had to retrieve the issues; I'm surprised that those issues were the first and last time the two faced off, apparently; however, didn't they face each other...

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Callisto 10
Colossus 9
Dr. Doom 19
Dracula 12
Forge 20
Gambit 12
Jean Grey 12
Khan 18
Loki 20

Cable 7
Callisto 10
Colossus 9
Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 12
Forge 20
Gambit 12
Jean Grey 12
Khan 17
Loki 20

Thought 2 votes didn't count?

Cable 11
Callisto 10
Colossus 9
Dr. Doom 20
Dracula 12
Forge 20
Gambit 12
Jean Grey 12

Sounds like someone is starting to get the idea; but, this is just as I predicted; as I debated a while ago, in the context of God (Superman taking out God like any other cosmic threat? lol), we can...

Could be his sister, but I wouldn't be bothered by the gender change; in fact, I'm intrigued by the idea.

I listed her because she's very immersed in the current version of X-men, the version after the 90s X-men TAS and the version I may need to get a lot more familiar, as I'm a hold over from the 90s...