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    Poll: To be fair, evil principles in all religions also...

    To be fair, evil principles in all religions also take in things that most atheists tend to deem as evil as well-- theft, murder, et al.
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    Poll: But if you're dealing with a phenomenon like...

    But if you're dealing with a phenomenon like evolution-- where no scientist doubts that it took place, but there's lots of debate about mechanisms--then someone like Dawkins can ignore the objections...
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    Poll: I think dogmatism is a mental attitude, not...

    I think dogmatism is a mental attitude, not exclusive to the religious ethos.

    That's why I mentioned Kuhn earlier, who asserts that scientists not infrequently commit to one theory and slant--...
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    Poll: I consider Dawkins' monocausal concept of...

    I consider Dawkins' monocausal concept of evolution to be a dogma, even though I'm sure he has mountains of well-chosen evidence to back up his view.

    ""So though Dawkins approaches human behaviour...
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    Poll: One need not use either "leaps in logic" or any...

    One need not use either "leaps in logic" or any "predetermined conclusion" when formulating theories of non-material factors. Kant's logic might not be perfect, but in general he established his...
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    Poll: Consciousness might indeed be part of the fabric...

    Consciousness might indeed be part of the fabric of the universe, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's self-propagating. I favor a Kantian solution: life does need material factors to develop, but...
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    Poll: Yes, but philosophy can accept anecdotal...

    Yes, but philosophy can accept anecdotal evidence, like Descartes subjective pronouncement, "I think therefore I am."

    Science is entirely opposed to anecdotal evidence.
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    Poll: And I thought he was talking to Roland. This is a...

    And I thought he was talking to Roland. This is a tough thread to keep track in.
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    i wonder if this is on Youtube. I keep forgetting...

    i wonder if this is on Youtube. I keep forgetting to check.

    Anyone read the Zelazny-Saberhagen novel THE BLACK THRONE, in which several separate Edgar Allan Poe characters or concepts are...
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    I've started the above project on the second blog...

    I've started the above project on the second blog in my sig, OUROBOROS DREAMS. I'll confine myself to one link that explains part of my rationale and then whoever cares to check in can do so.
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    Poll: While I admit that it would be better to disprove...

    While I admit that it would be better to disprove Dawkins with a full quote rather than a Wiki summary, I think what I printed strongly suggests that Dawkins is as militantly opposed to anyone...
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    Poll: While I admit that it would be better to disprove...

    While I admit that it would be better to disprove Dawkins with a full quote rather than a Wiki summary, I think what I printed strongly suggests that Dawkins is as militantly opposed to anyone...
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    Poll: Nicely put.

    Nicely put.
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    Poll: Wouldn't observations of that sort belong more to...

    Wouldn't observations of that sort belong more to history and/or comparative religion than to what we normally deem "science?"
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    Poll: For instance, science can describe how a tribe...

    For instance, science can describe how a tribe like the Kwaikutl practice a custom like potlatch. But whenever a social scientist ventures to say why they do it, he's dipping into the territory of...
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    Poll: Popper certainly believed that science was...

    Popper certainly believed that science was self-correcting, but Thomas Kuhn did not. You pay your money and you take your choice-- just as you do with philosophy.

    Paradox was closer to the mark....
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    Poll: I think he could make all the defenses of science...

    I think he could make all the defenses of science he liked w/o insisting that religion, magic, etc., are irrelevant to the sense of wonder, as seen in the excerpt I printed. I don't think he's just...
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    Poll: I agree that one has to be able to point to...

    I agree that one has to be able to point to experiences, even of an anecdotal nature, that suggest the applicablity of any abstract concept to reality. I don't agree that all ideas become outdated...
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    Poll: To your particular take on critical thinking.

    To your particular take on critical thinking.
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    Poll: I will note that some posters have been agreeing...

    I will note that some posters have been agreeing on this and similar subjects for years now, so in a sense the "committee" has been "meeting" on related matters for some time before this thread.
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    Poll: The "god delusion" isn't the only way in which...

    The "god delusion" isn't the only way in which Dawkins argues for the primacy of science.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
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    Poll: No, I've said exactly what you just did: that...

    No, I've said exactly what you just did: that they are independent constructions and that one can't entirely judge one by the other. Both disciplines may influence each other, but neither supersedes...
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    Poll: Agreed. Intelligent Design is a perfectly...

    Agreed. Intelligent Design is a perfectly legitimate idea to discuss in the context of Philosophy, but not Science.
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    Thanks for the info.

    Thanks for the info.
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    Poll: But if you automatically believe that philosophy...

    But if you automatically believe that philosophy is less valid than science, then you've dismissed philosophy as secondary to science. The very fact that you dismiss panpsychism as bad science shows...
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