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    I'm totally fine with the notion that it took the...

    I'm totally fine with the notion that it took the cumulative actions of all involved to bring about a happy ending. E.g., would Hope be able to let the PF go if she had not witnessed it's corrupting...
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    I don't disagree with what you say, but what in...

    I don't disagree with what you say, but what in comics isn't gambling with the lives of 7 billion? That was the logic behind jettisoning Hulk into space, the SHRA, executing Wanda. Any number of...
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    Yup. The other notion of peace only happens in...

    Yup. The other notion of peace only happens in Lennon lyrics. Someone mentioned post war Europe, that was restraint due to Soviet-US nuclear umbrellas for fifty years, and the EU is essentially an...
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    I totally agree with you. And something that...

    I totally agree with you. And something that bothers me post AvX, there is no recognition on the part of any of the Avengers, except maybe Ms/Capt Marvel, that they did anything wrong. None on Hank's...
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    Yeah I think you're right. I do like what it set...

    Yeah I think you're right. I do like what it set up, I've become a huge Scott Summers fan over the past decade and the post AvX Scott is awesome. So I'll just view AvX as a prop to get us to an...
  6. Hmm. Maybe I should stick with Legacy. I did not...

    Hmm. Maybe I should stick with Legacy. I did not enjoy the first arc, too much inside Hallers head where there's no external logic. But you guys are raving about this series so maybe it gets better....
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    First of all I know you guys have already done...

    First of all I know you guys have already done this topic so I thank the repliers for scratching my itch.



    What does Cyclops do wrong though? He begins by having faith in Hope, and faith in...
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    is Cyclops really at fault in AvX?

    I'm not fully caught up, I'm right around where the teen X Men have entered the present. And I'm sorry if this has been discussed to death, as I imagine it has. But this is burning a hole in me lol....
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    what to read for core continuity history of x verse?

    So I stopped reading comics back in the mid 80s, got back into them around Messiah trilogy, realized I was missing too much, and embarked on a catch up project. I'm at Second Coming now, and it's...
  10. Mainly what I remember about Lobdell is Chris...

    Mainly what I remember about Lobdell is Chris Bachalo. I don't love Bachalo, but he's so different I enjoyed viewing his work.

    Bu I totally disagree on the last 10 years. I loved that stuff....
  11. Lol we're debating each other, beyond that I...

    Lol we're debating each other, beyond that I forget. Nah, the issue has become, has the context of anti mutant hatred and persecution become so qualitatively worse in the aughts that it presents a...
  12. Speaks to the fact that he is not like Pierce or...

    Speaks to the fact that he is not like Pierce or Hodge or Bolivar; he is not a hater hose life mission is to persecute mutants. More in this later.



    You've argued two different things: one,...
  13. Interestingly, in Messiah Complex, when Bastion...

    Interestingly, in Messiah Complex, when Bastion resurrects the mutant haters, Bolivar Trask is credited with the death count for Genosha. That fits in with what I've been saying about how Nova does...
  14. The destruction of Genosha is 2001, X-Men 200 is...

    The destruction of Genosha is 2001, X-Men 200 is 2007. That's a good bit of time elapsed. In terms of plot impact, that's not what the destruction of Genoshan is really about, but it's not...
  15. So I found this exchange in X Men 200. ...

    So I found this exchange in X Men 200.

    Mystique: All the things we built are falling down. Do you feel it?

    Iceman: What things, Raven?

    Mystique: The Brotherhood. Xavier's Academy. They've...
  16. I just mentioned it as an aside, something i find...

    I just mentioned it as an aside, something i find food for thought, haven't chewed on it yet though. But it does fit in with what Morrison did throughout his run, which is focus less on the core...
  17. In common parlance when someone says "mutant" you...

    In common parlance when someone says "mutant" you think Hills Have Eyes, CHUD. You don't think Angel or Emma Frost. Caliban wasn't a protagonist. And Beast and Nightcrawler date the likes of Trish...
  18. I don't quite get what you're saying here. You...

    I don't quite get what you're saying here. You poo pood the concept of Morrison's Genosha, including his inflation, but now you seem to be saying it was a necessary but not sufficient factor in the...
  19. Well there's also Ernst and Martha Johanssen. The...

    Well there's also Ernst and Martha Johanssen. The latter is tragic, and almost terrifying in conception, while looking like something out of Mars Attacks. And Beast and Nightcrawler don't throw up...
  20. I shouldn't have even mentioned Morrison in the...

    I shouldn't have even mentioned Morrison in the first place lol, because it seems like I waded into a meta debate. I only mentioned him in thebfirst place as an aside as the kind of modern writer I...
  21. More, faster, is not always better. To see an...

    More, faster, is not always better. To see an action develop graphically, that to me is such a huge part of comics. The pages I showed, demonstrate how Noh Varr isn't just winning a fight in real...
  22. You're still talking writing that appears on the...

    You're still talking writing that appears on the page. I'm talking about how the panel sequence is conceived - that to me is the essence of comics. Here's an example (not at pc so i can't post the...
  23. By the way, it seems like the way a lot of you...

    By the way, it seems like the way a lot of you see comic book writing is primarily in terms of plot and dialogue. That's not what comic book writing is for me. These days we have director's cuts...
  24. First off, I just want to remark that I might...

    First off, I just want to remark that I might have unintentionally waded into a thing between Morrison diehards and the rest. Like I said I stopped reading comics back in the 80s, way before...
  25. Sinister didn't say anything about why he was...

    Sinister didn't say anything about why he was doing what he did iirc. For years post Claremont other writers in various titles were putting explanations out there. If I understand it right, the...
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