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west3man

12-22-2005, 02:19 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/500x650.jpg
img: http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/500x650.jpg

Besides his un-super face (handsome or not, the dude doesn't have a Superman look, imo), why'd they have to go with the Chris Reeve hair?

That worked in the 70's on a man with a blockier jawline. This looks frickin' corny.

They didn't draw eyebrows on Batman (Begin)'s cowl.
http://img.interia.pl/rozrywka/nimg/Adam_West_jako_Batman_byl_756831.jpg
img: http://img.interia.pl/rozrywka/nimg/Adam_West_jako_Batman_byl_756831.jpg

Did they HAVE to give Routh a super-part in his super-hair? :(

west3man

12-22-2005, 02:22 PM

Say what you will about this show. Cain didn't have a typical super-look, but I think it worked... and without the super-part.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00080ZG2O.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
img: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00080ZG2O.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Mmmm... pre-work Hatcher. Yummmm.

Ontir

12-22-2005, 05:25 PM

I've long thought it doesn't really matter what Superman actually looks like, because eye-witnesses being what they are (highly un-reliable), people will report seeing what they want to see. As the man is able to lift great masses and weights, and fly, plus many other abilities. He'll be seen as a god, even if he's actually physically unimpressive.

The reason people don't think Clark Kent and Superman are the same person, isn't because Clark wears glasses, but because Clark is always seen as a man, while Superman is seen as a god among men.

DrthTater

12-22-2005, 06:22 PM

The reason people don't think Clark Kent and Superman are the same person, isn't because Clark wears glasses, but because Clark is always seen as a man, while Superman is seen as a god among men.

I think that's the best answer I've heard to that....

Kudos to you. :)

west3man

12-22-2005, 07:27 PM

That's great. Allrightee.

Not sure what that has to do with the goofy hairstyle they gave him in the movie. We're not in the DCU, so his appearance kinda matters, I think. Maybe that's what you were (not) saying.

Lurker

12-22-2005, 08:51 PM

So, we're bitching about the hair now?

Have you seen the belt and the drawers?

Now there's something to bitch about.

west3man

12-23-2005, 05:13 AM

So, we're bitching about the hair now?

Have you seen the belt and the drawers?

Now there's something to bitch about.
They changed them, but that's not bitch-worthy, imo, since they didn't change them to something goofy.

That hair? Goofy as !#%^.

Call it nothing, if you like, but if Supes had a uni-brow, people would be talking about that Super-caterpillar on his face. Ugly is ugly.

Kid Omega

12-23-2005, 06:25 AM

I think he looks great... looks like Superman to me.

He's a good-looking guy with black hair and a spit curl in blue tights and a red cape. And he has an "S" on his chest.

I buy that Superman would take a moment to part his hair- he's cool like that.

I think that the costume is particularly cool, actually, and every picture I've seen from this movie looks "rad", as the kids say.

west3man

12-23-2005, 06:48 AM

If he had that ugly yellow, black, and red s-shield, he'd still be Superman, then. But it'd still be ugly, imo.

Kid Omega

12-23-2005, 06:57 AM

If he had that ugly yellow, black, and red s-shield, he'd still be Superman, then.

I have a statue here by my couch, of my favorite Superman- the one from the Fleisher animated cartoons, circa 1941. He's in dark blue, dark red, and the shield is black. He's ready to kick ass.

But it'd still be ugly, imo.

I guess I shrug my shoulders.

Take comfort in this- even if you hate his hair, the movie might still be awesome.

-a

west3man

12-23-2005, 07:35 AM

I have a statue here by my couch, of my favorite Superman- the one from the Fleisher animated cartoons, circa 1941. He's in dark blue, dark red, and the shield is black. He's ready to kick ass.

I guess I shrug my shoulders.

Take comfort in this- even if you hate his hair, the movie might still be awesome.

-a
I hated Johnny's attitude, but the Fantastic Four movie kicks more ass every time I see it.

Guts/Batman

12-23-2005, 10:11 PM

The hair does look very odd indeed...

LibrarianThorne

12-23-2005, 11:13 PM

I hated Johnny's attitude, but the Fantastic Four movie kicks more ass every time I see it.

This tells me everything I need to know.

Bored at 3:00AM

12-23-2005, 11:25 PM

Superman is like Jesus, everybody thinks he looks different. You're never gonna please everyone.

Personally, all I care about is whether the movie is good.

west3man

12-24-2005, 04:37 AM

Superman is like Jesus, everybody thinks he looks different. You're never gonna please everyone.

Personally, all I care about is whether the movie is good.Cool.

Let's get him an afro.

west3man

12-24-2005, 04:37 AM

This tells me everything I need to know.
Enlighten us.

Alan2099

12-24-2005, 05:53 AM

Ravenheart

12-24-2005, 06:05 AM

The hair looks fine to me.It looks like the same hair style that almost every other person to play Superman had.

west3man

12-24-2005, 06:33 AM

Superman's hair pretty much looks like it's always looked. I don't see the problem other than it not being "hip and trnedy" enough for people, and if you're looking for a hip and trendy super hero, you're probably not going to be happy with any look they give Superman.
No, it doesn't.

Take a look at the comic. His hair hasn't looked that poofily-swooped in a long time, if ever.
http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/olympics/99/cover/superman.gif
http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/olympics/99/cover/superman.gif

http://superman.ws/fos/thescreen/tv1/kent.gif
http://superman.ws/fos/thescreen/tv1/kent.gif

Maybe this one's swoopy, though:
http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/wall/Superman-cape-clouds1.jpg
http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/wall/Superman-cape-clouds1.jpg

Maybe it's the angle, but this shot is fine with me (especially the one with the brighter red and larger "S"):

http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/images/superman-www.beyondcomics.tv.jpg
http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/images/superman-www.beyondcomics.tv.jpg

west3man

12-24-2005, 06:35 AM

The hair looks fine to me.It looks like the same hair style that almost every other person to play Superman had.
I showed a pic of Dean Cain and, later, George Reeves. Neither of whom had that hairstyle.

So, who are you thinking of, besides Christopher Reeve?

west3man

12-24-2005, 06:37 AM

Y'know, the more I look at that altered photo, the more I realize Routh is less of a problem than that costume design.

I still don't dig the hair, as it looked on that mag cover, but that doctored costume looks hella better.

Mon-el

12-24-2005, 09:29 AM

Their was a recent article in the newest Wizard about the new suit, by Mike Cotton.

The Shield..... Fan's first look at star Brandon Routh's new costume, spearheaded by costume designer Louise Mingenbach, sparked controversy due to a raised "S"S shieldthat was much smaller than previous film incarnations. But according to director Bryan Singer, it all plays into the film's internal logic of Krypton.
The size of the "S" has a lot to do with the size of the suit and how it relates to Brandon's body and physique," reveals Singer. "I decided that the "S" should be raised for two reasons: One, because I felt it was a bit more modern or more contemporary - it was a contemporary evolution from the silk-screened "S." And second, because it connotes its origin as I see them. It's my belief that the suit - like the Fortress of Solitude-is a product of Kryptonian manufacturing, and the raised "S" is a part of that technology."

Now I have no problem with the raised "S" shield. I just think it should be bigger than what it is. Much like West's pic of that altered version.

Super Package.... The most controversial element of the new Superman suit was on of the smallest aspects-the speedo-like trunks that Routh sported. The touched off an Internet buzz like no movie costume alteration since the Bat-nipples from 1997's "Batman and Robin." For the Superman team, it all came down to functionality.
"In terms of the trunks-of how high and low-it really was determined by Brandon's body type," says Mingenbach.
The size of the Super-package was something that didn't escape the scrutiny of the costume team as they debated it long and hard.
"Was it too big?" questions Mingenbach. "Was it not big enough? Was it too pointy? Too round? It was somebody's job for about a month, just working on codpiece shapes."

I don't even have a problem with the trunks.

Give me an "S"...... "One of the things we had to address was the fact that [the costume] is just blocks of color," says Migenbach. "If that suit had not been textured, there's nothing to catch your eye. In order to give it dimension and create shadows, we tried a lot of textures. There are small "S" prints all over it, which hopefully makes your eyes more interested . The Spider-Man costume has the webbing and stuff, there's a lot going on there...but Superman is just so plain, in a wonderful way."

Routh on the Suit.... "It can be uncomfortable wearing it for a long time, especially when harnesses are involved, and then wires are attached to harnesses, and hanging and being in weird positions and being wet on the floor and all of those things," says the star. "But all those negative things don't outweigh the positive. There's a great sense of gracefulness and powerfulness and kingliness in the suit. It's very regal. It's the best feeling that I have. I feel like a king or the prince that Superman is. I feel larger than life in the suit. Then there are the strong boots and the cape added, and you can just parade around in it without having to do anything. It speaks for itself"

Caped Crusader....When working on Superman's cape, the production went through tons of different materials from velvet to synthetics, but eventually settled on imported wool from France.
"We thought a lot about how not to have the cape just look like a piece of fabric down his back," says Migenbach. "We tried a lot of fabrics, then we tried putting a texture to it - rubberizing it, which gives it a little weight, a little 'swish' and a swagger. It's tricky. If you do it wrong, it looks like a Halloween costume. the cape is longer than it was in the '70s movies. It's about being regal . I think the shorter cape has a tendency to look like a towel draped over his back. It wasn't particurlarly masculine or regal."

Muscle Man......Although Routh bulked up to a muscular 250 pounds for the role, Migenbach points out there was no way for him to ever develop the perfect form to register his physique on camera, so the team developed a muscle suit that Routh puts on before he dons the real Superman costume. "Brandon actually was in such good shape that we ended up removing some of the muscles for specific scenes," says Mingenbach. " There are 60 of the blue suits complete and [Singer]'s got a total of 15 muscle suits divided between Brandon and his stunt men. Some have got different configurations-when he does a lot of arm-up flying, we remove the deltoid muscles from the suit. That's one of muscles Brandon really developed when he got [to Austrailia] and after we'd sculpted the muscle suit."

Watch Your Back.... Although Superman usually wears his gold shield emblem on the back of his cape as well as on his chest, don't look for it on film-it created too many problems.
"Many departments didn't want an "S" son the back of the costume, for many reasons," reveals Mingenbach. "Visual effects knew it would be tough to CGI the cape when they had to do with an "S" on it. The didnt want the "S". Bryan didn't want the "S".[Production Designer] Guy Dyas didn't want the "S". No one wanted the "S" on the cape. It's too hard to control. Unless he's standing completely still, it doesn't look right. If you see it, you wonder what it is. It would just look unnatural. Instead, we put an "S" on his Belt."

Now, I know the reasoning behind the belt, Ummmmmm ok, I still really don't care for the belt. And I rather have the "S" be on the back of the cape rather than it appear on the belt.

Color Me Super...... Some Fans were aghast to see a more muted color scheme for Superman's usually vibrant costume, but those colors just don't work on screen today, according to Migenbach.
"I always felt that those three primary colors fight against each other," she explains. "We decided what would be the color that popped and what would be the color that supported. We decided we'd make this electric, indredible, vibrating blue, then have the red be a darker, more sophisticated red and have the yellow be more muted"

Ok I still do not like the dull colors, as I have seen in stills and the clip on the big screen.

I do not have a problem with his hair either.

George Reeves orginial suit was Brown because that was the best color that showed up in Black and White Tv.

Dean Cain's Suit - Between the first 4-5 episodes of Lois and Clark they kept adjusting the cape because of flights he had to use on green screen. They even joke about it on the first seasons Special Features dvd.

I am looking forward to the movie, But since it's the end of 2005 I think they could have done alot better than the suit that they came up with. My version would look like West's doctored version.

Dr.Fate

12-25-2005, 11:12 AM

http://www.aintitcool.com/pics/supermanscan.jpg

I don't care how corny you think he may look, he looks like Superman.

Well to me he does anyway.

Gentlegamer

12-25-2005, 07:45 PM

Here's what SUPERMAN looks like!

http://rossandkel.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/c_reeve.jpg

Tom

12-27-2005, 04:23 PM

http://www.aintitcool.com/pics/supermanscan.jpg

I don't care how corny you think he may look, he looks like Superman.

Well to me he does anyway.
I say this as someone who never feels anything when a celebrity dies but cried his eyes out when Chris Reeve did: That is the best damn live-action shot of Superman I've ever seen. I may have just been sold on this film by that one image alone.

Of course, if Routh opens his mouth and sounds like Minnie Mouse, I reserve the right to change my mind.

west3man

12-27-2005, 07:15 PM

http://www.aintitcool.com/pics/supermanscan.jpg

I don't care how corny you think he may look, he looks like Superman.

Well to me he does anyway.
I don't blame you. On the strength of that shot, he DOES look like Superman.

The one from that mag kinda does, too, but not in a good way. As Omega suggested, I may still dig it, either way.

re: Johnny Storm, I know Johnny's personality called for some of what we saw in the movie, but he was SUCH a ding-a-ling, it was distracting, the first time around.

As I said, though, I like the movie more every time I see it. Maybe, if I see enough cool shots of Routh, I'll dig his Superman even more.

Jade_GL

12-27-2005, 07:24 PM

I think what I have seen looks darn good.

I have no idea how things work on screen. I am not a director, a costume designer, or a CGI effects person, so I will leave that to the experts. But, to me, the stills looks pretty impressive, and Routh looks like Superman to me.

THe reason for leaving the S of the back of the cape are the same that Timm has brought up in regards to no S being on the cape of the animated universe Superman. It's too hard to keep perfect. I can understand them dropping it, even if I think it looks cool in the comics.

All in all, I really can't complain. It looks pretty good, and I would prefer to see it in action in the movei before outright condemning it. For all we know, with the effects and everything, it could look so different in the movie itself. :)

dancj

12-28-2005, 05:55 AM

I don't blame you. On the strength of that shot, he DOES look like Superman.

He looks more like Superboy to me in that shot. He just isn't big enough.

Dan

west3man

12-28-2005, 06:26 AM

He looks more like Superboy to me in that shot. He just isn't big enough.

Dan
Darn you for "making me" look so closely at it. :p

As long as I don't focus on his face too much, that shot's cool enough.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-28-2005, 06:42 AM

No, it doesn't.

Take a look at the comic. His hair hasn't looked that poofily-swooped in a long time, if ever.

Maybe it's the angle, but this shot is fine with me (especially the one with the brighter red and larger "S"):

http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/images/superman-www.beyondcomics.tv.jpg
http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/images/superman-www.beyondcomics.tv.jpg

Okay now. Where did the first photo come from?

EDIT: I mean, is the larger shield photoshopped?

west3man

12-28-2005, 06:45 AM

Okay now. Where did the first photo come from?

EDIT: I mean, is the larger shield photoshopped?
I believe it is photoshopped.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-28-2005, 06:51 AM

I believe it is photoshopped.

Then the guy or girl who did it is a goddamn genius with PS. It looks perfect.

west3man

12-28-2005, 07:05 AM

Then the guy or girl who did it is a goddamn genius with PS. It looks perfect.
I'm pretty impressed by it, as well. It pretty much addresses every easily-remedied "problem" with the Super-suit.

Obviously, these things didn't matter much to SOMEbody "on the inside."

samuraizero

12-28-2005, 07:12 AM

when did superman become homosexual

Kid Omega

12-28-2005, 07:50 AM

when did superman become homosexual

Well, it's a long story, but involves a cold weekend fishing trip, a lonely cabin, and a warm fire.... the chemistry was all there, and feelings he never knew he had came to the surface.... the rugged texture of Perry's face, the way his muscles moved across his back, underneath that flannel shirt- the warmth in his voice, as he asked questions that made Superman feel vulnerable, for the first time in his life.

As long as Superman is happy, I'm happy for him.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-28-2005, 08:24 AM

I'm pretty impressed by it, as well. It pretty much addresses every easily-remedied "problem" with the Super-suit.

Obviously, these things didn't matter much to SOMEbody "on the inside."

Indeed.

I knew from the beginning the suit wasn't going to be a carbon copy of the comic books/ Chris Reeve suits. there's this need to update the suit of any Superhero that jumps to the big screen.

However, I don't complain. It looks good to me. Especially the cape.

666MasterOfPuppets

12-28-2005, 08:27 AM

Well, it's a long story, but involves a cold weekend fishing trip, a lonely cabin, and a warm fire.... the chemistry was all there, and feelings he never knew he had came to the surface.... the rugged texture of Perry's face, the way his muscles moved across his back, underneath that flannel shirt- the warmth in his voice, as he asked questions that made Superman feel vulnerable, for the first time in his life.

As long as Superman is happy, I'm happy for him.

*ROTFL*

(I can say nothing else about this, but the above).

west3man

12-28-2005, 09:23 AM

when did superman become homosexual
Blame it on that "Invisible Man" joke.

Ed Cunard

12-28-2005, 09:32 AM

Blame it on that "Invisible Man" joke.

They used to tell that joke with the Invisible Woman, but Reed Richards kept getting bent out of shape.

samuraizero

12-28-2005, 09:41 AM

Well, it's a long story, but involves a cold weekend fishing trip, a lonely cabin, and a warm fire.... the chemistry was all there, and feelings he never knew he had came to the surface.... the rugged texture of Perry's face, the way his muscles moved across his back, underneath that flannel shirt- the warmth in his voice, as he asked questions that made Superman feel vulnerable, for the first time in his life.

As long as Superman is happy, I'm happy for him.
always though it be jimmy olsen........................

Major Danger

12-29-2005, 02:54 PM

Why did they try so hard to make him look like the 1970's Christopher Reeve version? Is is some tribute to Chris? Some Hollywood thing? Personally I'd like to see Superman up to date for the 21st century. Sure, he's still the boyscout of all the superheros but he doesn't have to look like he's locked up in vault since the 70's.

Choppa

12-29-2005, 04:51 PM

[IMG]
Besides his un-super face (handsome or not, the dude doesn't have a Superman look, imo), why'd they have to go with the Chris Reeve hair?

Um... because it's a sequel to the movies that Reeves was in.

JKCarrier

12-29-2005, 08:10 PM

Why did they try so hard to make him look like the 1970's Christopher Reeve version?

Did they? I don't really see it. What parts of the costume do you think look specifically like Reeve's version (as opposed to being derived from the comics)?

west3man

12-29-2005, 08:24 PM

Um... because it's a sequel to the movies that Reeves was in.
Then they could've left the costume as it was. They didn't, though. They modernized it. The same could be done to his Super-do.

west3man

12-29-2005, 08:25 PM

Did they? I don't really see it. What parts of the costume do you think look specifically like Reeve's version (as opposed to being derived from the comics)?
Not the costume. Routh's own appearance... like the hair thing we've been talking about.

Choppa

12-29-2005, 10:15 PM

Then they could've left the costume as it was. They didn't, though. They modernized it. The same could be done to his Super-do.

Um, it makes sense to change the costume as time goes on, but why would they change his hair? In the comics his costume has evolved, but his hair has stayed the same.

west3man

12-30-2005, 02:54 AM

Um, it makes sense to change the costume as time goes on, but why would they change his hair?For the reasons we've stated multiple times. If I had to choose between them updating the Super-suit and updating his 1970's hairstyle (one which Superman, himself, hasn't sported much since the 1970's), I'd go for the 'do.

In the comics his costume has evolved, but his hair has stayed the same.If you really think that's true, I guess I can understand your position. I'm pretty sure, though, that his hair has not stayed the same - and I'm not just talking about the Super-mullet.

Guts/Batman

12-30-2005, 03:11 AM

Hell, IIRC, in the 3 Superman books, he has different hair in all of them.

Choppa

01-03-2006, 03:20 AM

Well I'll be honest, I don't really read Superman, so I don't know what's been going on with this hair. But for the sake of movie continuity, that reasoning makes sense. Plus it's another clue to people that it's a sequel.

west3man

01-03-2006, 05:27 AM

fanboy d

01-04-2006, 07:43 AM

that whole - we removed the 's' on his back because... - that's bull! nobody 'wondered' what that big red thing on spider-man's back was. anyways i'm loving how this movie looks and have no probs with th hair, i think it's just the angle on EMPIRE, and that image of him holding the daily planet globe up is genius, perfection.

these pics makes the hair look better, even the 's' looks a little bigger.

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/9059/returnsclark069sk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/5572/returnsclarkandlois026fo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

west3man

01-04-2006, 08:00 AM

I think I agree with you about the hair, in those pix.

Unfortunately, the costume looks worse - especially in that last one. I've got a pair of long-johns that have that weird seam on the arm.

The Super-pattern reminds me of Spider-man's and I kinda understand them going that way, but it doesn't work for the Super-suit (or maybe that shade of blue) as well as it does for the Spider-suit.

Finally, there are his blue contacts (that's what they look like, anyway) and "Lois's" big head, complete with different-colored eyes.

To end on a positive: He does look pretty "Super" in that first pic. Heck, maybe even the second.

west3man

01-04-2006, 08:44 AM

Y'know, I probably wouldn't have been too keen on Margot Kidder playing Lois Lane, but I'd probably have been pleasantly surprised (with her performance moreso than with the personality they gave her).

I've always liked Lois to be strong and capable without being so headstrong she'd have died several times over if that Kryptonian rocket had gone to another solar system. That, plus I don't like the "evil" Lois that others (or maybe just some creators) seem to be fond of.

In Birthright, I understood why Clark might like her. Before that? It was kinda hard to tell in some stories/versions. Luckily, Terri Hatcher and Dean Cain looked like they were meant to be together - and make really purdy babies.

666MasterOfPuppets

01-04-2006, 10:53 AM

In Birthright, I understood why Clark might like her. Before that? It was kinda hard to tell in some stories/versions. Luckily, Terri Hatcher and Dean Cain looked like they were meant to be together - and make really purdy babies.

And because the producers of that series focused on that, it became a mix between Scooby-Doo and a soap opera.

west3man

01-04-2006, 10:59 AM

And because the producers of that series focused on that, it became a mix between Scooby-Doo and a soap opera.
They focused on good lucks and gave birth to a Scooby/soap love-child?

*looks for an ugly girlfriend*

666MasterOfPuppets

01-04-2006, 11:18 AM

They focused on good lucks and gave birth to a Scooby/soap love-child?

*looks for an ugly girlfriend*

Thankfully they never had a child in the series. It would have been completely disastrous.

I meant the series as a whole became that: a pathetic mix between Scooby-Doo and a soap opera.

west3man

01-04-2006, 11:47 AM

Thankfully they never had a child in the series. It would have been completely disastrous.

I meant the series as a whole became that: a pathetic mix between Scooby-Doo and a soap opera.
I understood what you meant the series became. I just thought the connection between that and the good-lookingness :p of the cast seemed like an odd connection.

666MasterOfPuppets

01-04-2006, 03:26 PM

Indeed.

I just thought that they focused too much (and in a too stupid way) in the Clark/Lois relationship.

glennsim

01-04-2006, 03:40 PM

Just a weird sidebar...

When I first heard about the Lois and Clark series, I honestly thought that the series was going to be about Lois and Clark and their reporting adventures, just like any other TV drama about reporters. I just figured every once in a while Clark would duck out mysteriously, and then off-camera something would happen and everyone would react, and then Clark would come back. Never actually seeing Superman

The fact that we actually got another Superman series was good in the sense that another Superman series is a good thing, but I was a bit disappointed by the fact that it was JUST another Superman series, and not the creative challenge I had expected...

Kilgore Trout

01-04-2006, 03:43 PM

Indeed.

I just thought that they focused too much (and in a too stupid way) in the Clark/Lois relationship.
That sounds just like the blueprint of the last 7 or 8 years of Superman comics to me...

Can you imagine?

If they'd gone ahead and had Lois give birth in "Lois & CLark" we'd still dealing with it 8 years after the series was canceled and DC would be saying that they had planned on doing that anyway, and that the birth on the TV show was just a coincidence... :rolleyes:

Bloopinator

01-04-2006, 05:03 PM

rickfury188

01-04-2006, 08:45 PM

Brandon Routhe looks like a very good Superman. Even though he's young, he has that all-American farmboy look that Superman should have.

666MasterOfPuppets

01-05-2006, 04:45 PM

666MasterOfPuppets

01-05-2006, 04:48 PM

That sounds just like the blueprint of the last 7 or 8 years of Superman comics to me...

I think that's not entirely the case. Although we've had subplots dealing with the Lois/Clark relationship and stuff like that, we've also seen plots dealing with other stuff.

EDIT: I mean, we've had stories dealing with things other than that, right?

Can you imagine?

If they'd gone ahead and had Lois give birth in "Lois & CLark" we'd still dealing with it 8 years after the series was canceled and DC would be saying that they had planned on doing that anyway, and that the birth on the TV show was just a coincidence... :rolleyes:

A disaster of epic proportions worse than the biblical deluge, in the comic-book world. That's what I imagine.

I hope DC isn't even *considering* the idea.

krammocon

01-05-2006, 08:54 PM

Brandon Routh as Superman is A-Ok with me. So count me IN as one of his believers. C'mon let's cut the guy some slack, until the movie is shown.

DracoMalfoy

01-06-2006, 12:35 AM

The photoshopped version of his costume SHOULD be the costume that Brandon wears as Superman. The other one looks like a cheap Party City knockoff.

Routh certainly looks the part...especially in the photoshopped version....

666MasterOfPuppets

01-08-2006, 12:08 PM

Brandon Routh as Superman is A-Ok with me. So count me IN as one of his believers. C'mon let's cut the guy some slack, until the movie is shown.

Agreed. I say one can judge after watching the movie.

west3man

01-08-2006, 12:11 PM

Agreed. I say one can judge after watching the movie.
I'm gonna see it, so I'm with you, to a point.

But, overall, a poor ad shouldn't require you to see the movie. The ad's supposed to make you WANT to see the movie. "Bad" elements in the ad shouldn't be rewarded.

Again, that's for those who were uninterested or undecided about seeing it. It's just that you can't take back your support of a movie once you've paid for it.

666MasterOfPuppets

01-08-2006, 12:23 PM

I'm gonna see it, so I'm with you, to a point.

But, overall, a poor ad shouldn't require you to see the movie. The ad's supposed to make you WANT to see the movie. "Bad" elements in the ad shouldn't be rewarded.

Again, that's for those who were uninterested or undecided about seeing it. It's just that you can't take back your support of a movie once you've paid for it.

A matter of tastes. Of course, I'm not saying that the suit couldn't have been better, but I think that this "updating" was inevitable. And, despite it's not the classic comic-book look, I think it looks very good.

I'm with you though: the bad parts of an ad shouldn't be rewarded. Thing is, I think the whole thing is freakin' awesome. :D

trickster

01-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Here's what SUPERMAN looks like!

Wanna bet that if Routh would have played Superman in 1978, you'd be saying the same thing today? "This is what Superman looks like?"

west3man

01-08-2006, 05:37 PM

Thing is, I think the whole thing is freakin' awesome. :D
It's in all our best interests that your impression of what the movie will be like turns out to be more accurate than mine.

*here's to me being just as wrong as usual* Woo-hoo! ;)

666MasterOfPuppets

01-09-2006, 05:49 AM

It's in all our best interests that your impression of what the movie will be like turns out to be more accurate than mine.

*here's to me being just as wrong as usual* Woo-hoo! ;)

Hehe.

I trust Singer. And he knows that his head will be handed to us in a silver plate if he fails. :D

west3man

01-09-2006, 06:36 AM

I trust Singer.
Ahh. What a wonderful thing to say about "creator." What a wonderful thing to BE ABLE TO SAY about a creator.

He's damn-near his own brand and brands are about trust.

I do trust him with the X. I'm trying to trust him with the S.

666MasterOfPuppets

01-09-2006, 06:50 AM

Ahh. What a wonderful thing to say about "creator." What a wonderful thing to BE ABLE TO SAY about a creator.

He's damn-near his own brand and brands are about trust.

I do trust him with the X. I'm trying to trust him with the S.

Indeed.

I have the highest expectations possible with this movie. Not only because Superman is my favorite character, but because, well, it's Superman.

This has to be better than Batman Begins, X3 and all the Superhero movies put together, I tell you. It has to.

Cybak

01-10-2006, 08:26 AM

Routh, Routh's Clark and Routh's Superman look too much like Jason Schwartzman/Max Fischer. I mean really the height and some muscle tone is the only difference. I can't imagine anyone watching Rushmore and saying "Wow! Jason Schwartzman should play Superman." I glad Bryan Singer didn't do Batman Begins or we would have David Spade instead of Christian Bale.

west3man

01-10-2006, 08:42 AM

Cybak

01-10-2006, 10:57 AM

Yeah it was heavy on the exaggeration, which was my intent, but I feel Routh is just wrong for the role. I felt the same way before seeing Michael Keaton in the batsuit, but Routh seems to have been picked largely because he somewhat resembles Reeve. Reeve fit the role better from suit to acting chops, Routh ehh...

Patman

01-10-2006, 11:31 AM

Just for fun, I mirror-imaged the pics, and then Routh looks more like the conventionally drawn Superman in the comics (with his hair parted on his left side from his left to right). I would have rather they do this, and leave the Clark Kent hairstyle parted from his right to left.

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9044/promosupermanreturns020nurev3d.th.jpg (http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=promosupermanreturns020nurev3d.jpg)

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/3568/superman0ev5axrev3pp.th.jpg (http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman0ev5axrev3pp.jpg)

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/5664/superman28gw6kirev1eb.th.jpg (http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman28gw6kirev1eb.jpg)