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west3man
12-21-2005, 05:16 PM
Lois has aged a helluv alot more than Superboy and Alexander.

Anybody else find that odd?
Paul Newell
12-21-2005, 05:24 PM
It was explained in #2. Moving back into the "real world" has "corrupted" her body and is killing her. If you notice, in Issue #1, she looks the same as she did at the end of COIE.
west3man
12-21-2005, 05:34 PM
It was explained in #2. Moving back into the "real world" has "corrupted" her body and is killing her. If you notice, in Issue #1, she looks the same as she did at the end of COIE.
I didn't realize she was moving back into the real world. Hmm...
ocelotrevs
12-21-2005, 05:37 PM
I didn't realize she was moving back into the real world. Hmm...

Yeah, Superman (old looker) was going on about her getting sick or something. And she was weakening being in that inbetween place they were in because of some problem.
And then moving into the main world cause her fragile human body too much stress.
west3man
12-21-2005, 05:38 PM
Yeah, Superman (old looker) was going on about her getting sick or something. And she was weakening being in that inbetween place they were in because of some problem.
And then moving into the main world cause her fragile human body too much stress.
I thought it/something caused her to get sick, not age.
Paul Newell
12-21-2005, 05:44 PM
It caused both. I just looked at the issue again. Whatever was corrupting the Post-Crisis universe was affecting both Lois and the place Alex Luthor took her to. Kal-L says that their "paradise" started decaying and that Lois began aging. The travel back into reality made it worse, then says "That's what this Earth does."
Rollo_Tomasi
12-21-2005, 06:28 PM
It caused both. I just looked at the issue again. Whatever was corrupting the Post-Crisis universe was affecting both Lois and the place Alex Luthor took her to. Kal-L says that their "paradise" started decaying and that Lois began aging. The travel back into reality made it worse, then says "That's what this Earth does."

Yeah, but couldn't all this be some elaborate set up by Alexander Luthor? Maybe he used his antimatter powers to age Lois, just to convince E2 Supes to do something? Damn! He's a conniving little bastard.
LordEd1976
12-21-2005, 06:44 PM
Yeah, but couldn't all this be some elaborate set up by Alexander Luthor? Maybe he used his antimatter powers to age Lois, just to convince E2 Supes to do something? Damn! He's a conniving little bastard.

Might be a little of both.

Losi the only non-powered person among the four of them. The trip from paradise to Earth may have had an adverse effect on her but Alex is making it worse in order to play with E2 Superman's head.

Anyone else notice how Alex shooed away Power girl telling her he had "run tests". Maybe he wanted to make Lois worse and didn't want Power Girl to see what he was doing.
west3man
12-21-2005, 06:51 PM
Might be a little of both.

Losi the only non-powered person among the four of them. The trip from paradise to Earth may have had an adverse effect on her but Alex is making it worse in order to play with E2 Superman's head.

Anyone else notice how Alex shooed away Power girl telling her he had "run tests". Maybe he wanted to make Lois worse and didn't want Power Girl to see what he was doing.
When did they go to Earth in the first two issues? I only saw Lois in that crystal place.
Paul Newell
12-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Yeah, but couldn't all this be some elaborate set up by Alexander Luthor? Maybe he used his antimatter powers to age Lois, just to convince E2 Supes to do something? Damn! He's a conniving little bastard.
It's certainly possible. But, so far, the reason given is the only one we know so far....But conjecture away! :)
Paul Newell
12-21-2005, 07:00 PM
When did they go to Earth in the first two issues? I only saw Lois in that crystal place.

Between Issue 1 & 2. They broke out of "Paradise" at the end of issue 1 and set up a new base on Earth where Kal-L's Fortess of Solitude would have been if it still existed.
west3man
12-22-2005, 04:01 AM
Between Issue 1 & 2. They broke out of "Paradise" at the end of issue 1 and set up a new base on Earth where Kal-L's Fortess of Solitude would have been if it still existed.
Thanks, Paul.
mdg1
12-22-2005, 06:51 AM
For that matter... are we sure Lois-2 is the genuine article?
xnef1025
12-22-2005, 07:00 AM
For that matter... are we sure Lois-2 is the genuine article?
That's my question too. Afterall, one of the major things during COIE that never jibed with the timeline was when exactly Alex grabbed Lois from E-2. Wasn't he supposedly depowered during the only time that would make sense?
Rik
12-22-2005, 08:15 AM
I tend to think Lois is the real deal just because touching her restored Kara's memories.
I do, however, agree that Alex Luthor has probably contributed to her physical deterioration. Which makes him a pretty nasty piece of work--wasn't his own mother the Earth-3 Lois Lane? He's also obviously working at odds with Kal-L; Kal just wants to restore Earth-Two, while Alex seemingly is working to get the whole Multiverse back, judging by the tower he's building.

In fact, I'm wondering whether Alex is really LEX Luthor, either his Earth-3 father (after all, "our" Lex posed as his own son for several years), or somehow possessed by the "old" Earth-One Silver Age Luthor.

When he confronts "our" Lex, he says, "I'm YOU--only better." That's an odd thing for his alternate-universe SON to claim. I'm certainly a very different person from MY father, I would assume Lex's son would be as well. Certainly they should not have identical brainwave patterns.

Unless he's NOT really Lex's son...
west3man
12-22-2005, 08:27 AM
Weird how touching Lois returned PG's memories.

I guess that'd constitute an overlap between the DCU we know and the one PG came from... I guess I can buy it.
Buried Alien
12-22-2005, 10:24 AM
The way Earth-2 Lois is slowly dying: isn't kind of like a slow-motion version of how the Flash (Barry Allen) died in the original Crisis?


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titanfan
12-22-2005, 11:09 AM
For that matter... are we sure Lois-2 is the genuine article?

Yup, I think it's a fake too. Alex Luthor didn't bring back Lois, he created her to keep Kal-El company. It may or may not have been done in malice, but she is deterorating now because she's not in that universe anymore. That's why touching Lois restored PG's memories--that's what it was programmed to do.
west3man
12-22-2005, 11:56 AM
The way Earth-2 Lois is slowly dying: isn't kind of like a slow-motion version of how the Flash (Barry Allen) died in the original Crisis?


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Other than the advanced aging, I don't see any other similarities.

Speaking of Barry's demise, it's something of a stretch to say he went into the Speed Force considering how he aged and fell the freak apart. Yuck.

I try not to think about it b/c it was something of a noble twist on an oddly-noble demise.
scratchie
12-22-2005, 01:27 PM
Between Issue 1 & 2. They broke out of "Paradise" at the end of issue 1 and set up a new base on Earth where Kal-L's Fortess of Solitude would have been if it still existed.Speaking of which... did Earth-2 Superman ever actually have a Fortress of Solitude in the old days? I thought that was purely a Silver Age/Earth 1 thing.
Buried Alien
12-24-2005, 01:04 AM
Speaking of Barry's demise, it's something of a stretch to say he went into the Speed Force considering how he aged and fell the freak apart. Yuck.

Barry Allen's flesh was destroyed, but the energy that animated him as the Flash wasn't.


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west3man
12-24-2005, 04:42 AM
Barry Allen's flesh was destroyed, but the energy that animated him as the Flash wasn't.


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No one else I can think of has entered the Speed Force that way... well, maybe this one woman whose loved-one sent her into it to save her life. I think her body was destroyed, in the process, somehow.

Don't distract me with facts! *looks around*

No, really. Anyone else remember that? I think it was from the Chain Lightning storyline. Whatever it was called, Flashes were jumping through time trying to save the Flash legacy.
Vic Perfecto!
12-24-2005, 04:18 PM
Speaking of which... did Earth-2 Superman ever actually have a Fortress of Solitude in the old days? I thought that was purely a Silver Age/Earth 1 thing.

The Golden Age Superman had a sort of proto Fortress of Soilitude, which eventually was given the moniker of the "Secret Citadel."

http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/Fortress/history.php#history

http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/The_Secret_Citadel