Anyone here listen to hardcore punk?

[xfrancax]

just curious...

[Alex]

Tread carefully here my friend.
If you list any specefic band, and the music nazis read this, you will be subject to the some horrible passive aggressive insults.
In clearer terms, don't identify any band that was formed after 1980 as Punk.

[Reptisaurus!]

Tread carefully here my friend.
If you list any specefic band, and the music nazis read this, you will be subject to the some horrible passive aggressive insults.
In clearer terms, don't identify any band that was formed after 1980 as Punk.

You huge weenie.

Punk died in 1971, and you know it.

(Also, any band not from Detroit or the surrounding area isn't really punk.)

[Pepsigirl]

I only listen to a few Hardcore bands, but I listen to a lot of Post-Hardcore.

[Patient Boy]

Didn't we have a post like this a few months back? One where the thread-started actually decided what was hardcore and what wasn't?

[xfrancax]

I only listen to a few Hardcore bands, but I listen to a lot of Post-Hardcore.
haha, I can't stand post-hardcore.

and I don't need a thread to tell me what hardcore is, I've got it sus'd and if people think 'punk is dead' (fuck I hate this term) then they're obviously going to think that if they're looking to Mtv trying to find it.

[Ayo]

I listen to hardcore and go to hardcore shows.

I don't know much about the current scene, but I catch whatever bands are opening up for the aging legendary bands like The Exploited, Zero Boys, Vandals, MDC, and so on.

[Adam Crocker]

Didn't we have a post like this a few months back? One where the thread-started actually decided what was hardcore and what wasn't?

Well it was one thread where a guy claimed a bunch of extreme metal bands, some emo bands, and one experimentalish band were "hardcore." It was good for a laugh.

As for the thread topic itself, much of the hardcore I have heard has been the classic early 80s stuff such as the Circle Jerks, the Misfits, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Fear, Agent Orange, Bad Religion, and Bad Brains. And out those it's mainly the Misfits, Black Flag, Bad Brains, and Minor Threat that have stuck with me since I find them to be the most musically interesting out of the whole lot.

This probably is why I go more for post-hardcore as well as its 80s antecedents like Dinosaur Jr., the Minutemen, and Hüsker Dü (all of whom started out as or had hardcore roots). While I like the Stooges, the first Damned album, and the Pistols, straight thrash doesn't hold my attention that much. (Then again were the Stooges straight thrash to begin with?)

(Of course my favourite "punk" guitarist is Robert Quine, so I guess that says something about my artier inclinations.)

[K'Nort]

Well I listened to most of Adam's list back in the day, for what it's worth. No idea if there are contemporary equivalents.

[Ayo]

*respects Dead Kennedys*

[K'Nort]

*respects Dead Kennedys*

I thought of them as soon as I hit Send, especially since I just introduced someone to them a couple days ago, but I never know who counts as what. How about Suicidal Tendencies?

[Ayo]

I thought of them as soon as I hit Send, especially since I just introduced someone to them a couple days ago, but I never know who counts as what. How about Suicidal Tendencies?

*respects Suicidal Tendencies before they turned into shit-metal*

*votes for Jello Biafra*

[Noir_Dark]

Has anybody heard the term “Prog-Punk”?

Apparently it refers to punk bands that know how to play.

Eg; Mars Volta, Propagandhi, Refused.

[Adam Crocker]

Has anybody heard the term “Prog-Puink”?

Apparently it refers to punk bands that know how to play.

Eg; Mars Volta, Propagandhi, Refused.

I have never seen what is proggy about Propagandhi. They may have more chops than the average punk band, but they have never struck me as very experimental.

[Noir_Dark]

I have never seen what is proggy about Propagandhi. They may have more chops than the average punk band, but they have never struck me as very experimental.
I can see the Prog in them.

I don’t think there’s a single chorus on the new album.

[Patient Boy]

Is MTV the equivalent of the use of Hitler in Godwin's Law in a musical discussion? I'm not saying there aren't valid points here, but anytime something is in dispute MTV somehow gets brought up.

"You don't know shit about rap/punk/metal because you only know about what you see on MTV!"

[DDM]

True hardcore punk has not existed for many years. The last little drop of hardcore punk burnt itself out inbetween 1975-1978. When punk became accepted worldwide, true punk stopped existing because, essentially, it was about making your own rules with music. When people started looking alike, group think happens even in rebellion. Therefore, the people lost the point about punk when it was accepted.

[Arrjay]

Much of the hardcore I have heard has been the classic early 80s stuff such as the Circle Jerks, the Misfits, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Fear, Agent Orange, Bad Religion, and Bad Brains. And out those it's mainly the Misfits, Black Flag, Bad Brains, and Minor Threat that have stuck with me since I find them to be the most musically interesting out of the whole lot.
I go more for post-hardcore as well as its 80s antecedents like Dinosaur Jr., the Minutemen, and Hüsker Dü (all of whom started out as or had hardcore roots). While I like the Stooges, the first Damned album, and the Pistols

I was gonna mention everyone in this list but Adam beat me to it.

Mars Volta, Propagandhi, Refused.

And I would have had these in my list too but Noir beat me to it.

I just wanna add that I freakin' love the Misfits.

Yeah.

[Lubichev]

But what about Blink128 or Good Charlotte or another one of MTV's babies?
They have lots of tattoos and spiked hair. And the drums are played fast. THAT IS SO HARDCORE!!


Gimme GBH, thank you. Especially Charged GBH.

[Harry Angel]

But what about Blink128 or Good Charlotte or another one of MTV's babies?
They have lots of tattoos and spiked hair. And the drums are played fast. THAT IS SO HARDCORE!!


Gimme GBH, thank you. Especially Charged GBH.


If their posters on my daughters wall, such as Good Charlottes, then they're just another boy band.

My own two cents is that Punk surivived into the very early 1980's, but didn't outlast the original line-up of Black Flag.

[Patient Boy]

Rock is dead.

[Ill Communication]

This probably is why I go more for post-hardcore as well as its 80s antecedents like Dinosaur Jr., the Minutemen, and Hüsker Dü (all of whom started out as or had hardcore roots).

Hey.

Did I tell you the story of how I saw the Junior in like 110 degree heat?

(PS ... you KNOW nothing until you admit YOU KNOW WHAT as the greatest song ever written)

:eek:

[Ill Communication]

*respects Suicidal Tendencies before they turned into shit-metal*

:p

Institutionalized is a great song.

[Adam Crocker]

True hardcore punk has not existed for many years. The last little drop of hardcore punk burnt itself out inbetween 1975-1978.

Given the early 80s hardcore scene in L.A. and Washington D.C., which included many of the bands, I just mentioned, how is that so?

When punk became accepted worldwide, true punk stopped existing because, essentially, it was about making your own rules with music. When people started looking alike, group think happens even in rebellion. Therefore, the people lost the point about punk when it was accepted.

I agree somewhat with the overall sentiment and the long term effects of such an attitude on punk. However, adhering to 'punk rules' started becoming a problem even before 1978. From what I read about the British scene, this started setting in as soon as the Pistols gained fame within Britain after the incident on the Bill Grundy show. The scene quickly grew but with people adhering to stereotyped ideas about what punk meant. (Not that it stopped Britain from being one of the more diverse and fruitful punk scenes.)

Is MTV the equivalent of the use of Hitler in Godwin's Law in a musical discussion? I'm not saying there aren't valid points here, but anytime something is in dispute MTV somehow gets brought up.

"You don't know shit about rap/punk/metal because you only know about what you see on MTV!"

Yeah, I think it's getting to that point too. In this case it's generally known that MTV presents only the most commercialized iterations of punk (or any other style of pop music), but that doesn't tell me what bands are there that challenge the accepted wisdom that 'punk is dead.'

[Adam Crocker]

Hey.

Did I tell you the story of how I saw the Junior in like 110 degree heat?

No, you didn't.

(PS ... you KNOW nothing until you admit YOU KNOW WHAT as the greatest song ever written)

:eek:

"Johnny B. Goode"?

[Ill Communication]

Dinosaur Jr rolled through Chicago on the Perry Farrell love fest known as Lollapalooza, except the weekend he did, it was triple digit heat. It was so bad that either Tegan or Sarah, one of those two girls passed out on stage.

Anyways, Jr. played on Sunday afternoon, which was like the hottest of the 3 days. The bad part was to get rid of the morning hang over we decided to go out for breakfast, which consisted of biscuits and gravy, eggs and hasbrowns.

That combination doesn't sit will in the heat.

I made it through Junior, but literally had to run during Ben Kweller.

It was so bad in the sun, I had to stand in my friend Chip's shadow, because my feet were burning.

[mike rok lok]

Well the beauty of punk and hardcore music and the culture that comes with it is always evolving so I think to really pinpoint exactly "what hardcore is" can be rather damaging to the growth as well as continued relevance of any movement. Of course I am into classicly aligned hardcore and punk stuff like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Adolescents, Rudimentary Peni, Rites of Spring, Embrace, old Suicidal Tendecies as well as "weirder" stuff such as The Germs, the Minutemen, The Screamers, etc. but some of the stuff that am into within the realms of hardcore & punk runs the stylistic gamut. Stuff like The Assistant, Majority Rule, Yaphet Kotto, Born Against, Seein' Red, Hot Cross, Saetia, Fucked Up, Iron Lung, Stop It!, Wow Owls,This Ship Will Sink, Vae Victis, Rambo, DS-13, City of Caterpillar, etc. I also like kind of grindish hardcore punk too. Stuff like Reversal of Man, Combat Wounded Veteran, The Exelar, Kaospilot, MK Ultra, etc.

[Ignotum]

Definetly into it.

[Patient Boy]

I guess I lean towards 80s hardcore, stuff like Black Flag or the Bad Brains. I haven't listened to too much later hardcore, or at least its more metal influenced iterations. Maybe one day my listening habits will swing that way, but right now I'm knee deep in reggae.

[xfrancax]

Well the beauty of punk and hardcore music and the culture that comes with it is always evolving so I think to really pinpoint exactly "what hardcore is" can be rather damaging to the growth as well as continued relevance of any movement. Of course I am into classicly aligned hardcore and punk stuff like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Adolescents, Rudimentary Peni, Rites of Spring, Embrace, old Suicidal Tendecies as well as "weirder" stuff such as The Germs, the Minutemen, The Screamers, etc. but some of the stuff that am into within the realms of hardcore & punk runs the stylistic gamut. Stuff like The Assistant, Majority Rule, Yaphet Kotto, Born Against, Seein' Red, Hot Cross, Saetia, Fucked Up, Iron Lung, Stop It!, Wow Owls,This Ship Will Sink, Vae Victis, Rambo, DS-13, City of Caterpillar, etc. I also like kind of grindish hardcore punk too. Stuff like Reversal of Man, Combat Wounded Veteran, The Exelar, Kaospilot, MK Ultra, etc.
fuck yeah, I like you. I listening to Fucked Up as we speak, its the Epic in Minutes CD, I couldn't be fucked collection all the 7"s, but I do have the Police 7", probably my favourite song.

And who ever said hardcore punk is dead obviously wasn't at the HARDCORE PUNK festival that happened last weekend. It was a festival organised by an independant collective of punk kids. It was out in the middle of the bush, rad bands played, people drank homebrew alcohol (well, apart from the few Straight edge kids inc myself) and everything about it was punk.

[xfrancax]

I guess I lean towards 80s hardcore, stuff like Black Flag or the Bad Brains. I haven't listened to too much later hardcore, or at least its more metal influenced iterations. Maybe one day my listening habits will swing that way, but right now I'm knee deep in reggae.

I'm pretty obsessed with Black Flag at the moment...like, I've always thought they're an amazing band, but I've been listening to them more so now. I want a band to cover TV Party, that'd be the most fun song to sing a long to.

[mike rok lok]

fuck yeah, I like you. I listening to Fucked Up as we speak, its the Epic in Minutes CD, I couldn't be fucked collection all the 7"s, but I do have the Police 7", probably my favourite song.

And who ever said hardcore punk is dead obviously wasn't at the HARDCORE PUNK festival that happened last weekend. It was a festival organised by an independant collective of punk kids. It was out in the middle of the bush, rad bands played, people drank homebrew alcohol (well, apart from the few Straight edge kids inc myself) and everything about it was punk.

Yeah dude Fucked Up is so good. Nothing groundbreaking but damn there is something about that really gets me fired up and excited about punk and hardcore. they definitely wear their influences on their sleeve but at the same don't sound like a fucking karaoke machine. great band.

[ZombieHavoc]

i like hardcore. i'm more selective now in my late 20s than i was in my teenaged years, but i do like a lot of old stuff and some new stuff. i dig on gb, cro mags, negative approach, leeway, bad brains, kill your idols, count me out, shark attack, kid dynamite, gordon solie mother fuckers, the swarm, last in line, floorpunch, the first fastbreak full length, side by side, the first american nightmare 7" and demo, straight ahead and some other stuff.

i think it's funny when someone knows you listen to hardcore or punk and so they bring up some shitty band like norma jean or unearth.

[Tridge]

"Hi"

here is a list of bands that i dig.


Against All Authority, Amebix, Antischism, A.P.P.L.E., A/Political, Atrificial Peace, Aus-Rotten, Autonomy, Avskum, Boris The Sprinkler, Born Against, Born/Dead, Capitalist Casualties, Caustic Christ, Choking Victim, Christ on a Crutch, Christ on Parade, Conflict, Converge, Crass, Crimpshrine, Crucifix, Dayglo Abortions, Dead Boys, Dead Kennedys, Dead Milkmen, Discordia, aDOOMe, Fear, Flux of Pink Indians, Grimple, INDK, Jesus Chrust, Leftover Crack, Logical Nonsense, Nausea, Nailbomb, Oi Polloi, Operation Ivy, Reagan Youth, Riot/Clone, Sepultura, Slayer, The Spits, Turmoil, Today Is The Day, Unsane, Watch Them Die, The World/Inferno Friendship Society and yes, a few more that I don't know enough about to list here (can't find/only heard once/etc.).

[xfrancax]

fuck yeah, this thread rules. You all should move to Melbourne Australia and hang out. I always get told to shut up when I start talking about comics. Thus why I come on the interneerrrrd to discuss.

[Tridge]

I'd love to move to Australia. Wanna fake marry me for my citizenship?

[xfrancax]

I'd love to move to Australia. Wanna fake marry me for my citizenship?
I'm all for that shit, fuck the rules of an already fucked up institution.