Jamie Madrox Question

[Young Avenger]

In the MadroX mini-series each of Jamie's dupes are inherit a part of Jamie prime personally. So I wonder if one of his dupes die does the personally trait the dupe had go away with it? For example, if Jamie made a dupe that present his greedy side and if that dupe died will this Jamie prime lose his ability to be greedy?

[The Lucky One]

In the MadroX mini-series each of Jamie's dupes are inherit a part of Jamie prime personally. So I wonder if one of his dupes die does the personally trait the dupe had go away with it? For example, if Jamie made a dupe that present his greedy side and if that dupe died will this Jamie prime lose his ability to be greedy?

Doubtful, any more than him manifesting his unpredictable side as a dupe means he himself can't be unpredictable. It's not that he's purging it from himself, he's just isolating a particular character trait in himself and amplifying it in a dupe. I don't know that for sure, mind you, but I'm fairly certain I'm right.

The problem is that this is a fairly new development- for the majority of his adult life, Jamie just manifested perfect copies of himself (the one exception being the rogue dupe seen in Fallen Angels and X-Factor #71-75). There have been times when the nature of his powers has seemed to fluctuate -- sometimes there's a "main" Jamie with all the others being subordinate dupes, sometimes every dupe is just as "real" and in-charge as the original -- but the part about manifesting different aspects of his personality is relatively recent. It began when he had the Legacy Virus, when he manifested one ultra-militant dupe and one complete pansy and couldn't absorb them, but that was eventually revealed to be a dupe itself. As for now? Anyone's guess... secondary mutation, for all we know. Only time will tell.

-D

[aderechelsea]

if the Dupe is merged with the original Jamie then the trait is his and will never be lost.

the dupe is then "destroyed" and another completely new is built in the future.

thats my take on the story ....

[ibrakeforchinwe]

if the Dupe is merged with the original Jamie then the trait is his and will never be lost.

the dupe is then "destroyed" and another completely new is built in the future.

thats my take on the story ....

Yeah I was gonna say that too.

Jamie still retains all his characteristics even when a dupe with a certain characteristic is away. So if he's killed, jamie still has it. :)

[MDactor1980]

I would assume the trait would get re-absorbed, the same way whatever a dupe learns gets absorbed into Jamie, like he says in F-Factor (vol 3? #1).

[DDM]

Madrox also shares some kind of psychic connection with all of his dupes. For instance, when Proteus killed a dupe Madrox in Uncanny X-Men #125-128, the primary Madrox felt his death. However, the longer a dupe remains independent, I suppose the weaker the psychic connection Jamie has with his dupe...

[Beast]

Madrox also shares some kind of psychic connection with all of his dupes. For instance, when Proteus killed a dupe Madrox in Uncanny X-Men #125-128, the primary Madrox felt his death. However, the longer a dupe remains independent, I suppose the weaker the psychic connection Jamie has with his dupe...
Or it's been totally forgotten by the writers, since he didn't show that connection in Madrox.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Madrox also shares some kind of psychic connection with all of his dupes. For instance, when Proteus killed a dupe Madrox in Uncanny X-Men #125-128, the primary Madrox felt his death. However, the longer a dupe remains independent, I suppose the weaker the psychic connection Jamie has with his dupe...

This was actually used as the rationalization for why Jamie took so long to return to the team after his dupe's death in X-Factor 100. He said he was wandering aroound in a haze for several weeks, and then he didn't like the direction of the team after he came to.

[Dizzy D]

Or it's been totally forgotten by the writers, since he didn't show that connection in Madrox.

The connection was still there: the Jamie-dupe that was shot by Clay in New York, caused Jamie in Chicago to black out in the pool.

I think the recent development with his powers is mostly psychological though subconscious.

[The Lucky One]

The connection was still there: the Jamie-dupe that was shot by Clay in New York, caused Jamie in Chicago to black out in the pool.

I think the recent development with his powers is mostly psychological though subconscious.

Yeah, but it's not as strong as it once was- these days he has to reabsorb his dupes to gain their knowledge, for instance, and he had to call that dupe to research the question for Millionaire in X-Factor (vol. 2) #1. Maybe it's safe to say that Jamie has a purely emotional psi-link with his dupes -- he feels strong emotional reactions, for instance, of pain or fear -- but not a true telepathic link, more simply empathic.

The problem is that his powers vary by the writer. Some of the differences are easy to explain- for instance, at one point in time, when a healthy Madrox and a Madrox with a broken rib recombined, you ended up with one Madrox with a half-broken rib. Nowadays, as Jamie explains in MadroX #1, he doesn't absorb physical damage from dupes. However, that aspect was first glimpsed in the Fallen Angels miniseries, and the star of that was a rogue dupe, so it might just be among dupes.

On the other hand, sometimes Jamie claims that every dupe created is as much "real" as he is, that they're all one Multiple Man, and sometimes he has a clear idea that he's the "prime" Jamie and the others just dupes. I'd love to see Peter revisit something he touched briefly on in the first X-Factor, which was Jamie wondering if the dupes have their own souls and such, and if he has any right to send them into dangerous situations as his foot soldiers.

-D

[Gaveedra 6]

In Grant Morrison's New X-Men, Professor X used Madrox to create a whole army of drone-like soldiers. Many died, without causing any apparent trauma to a "central Jamie" (although that may have occured off-camera) and none seemed to have any variant personality traits.

I figure Professor X could use Madrox's power more effectively, like when Emma took over Iceman. And perhaps the amount of "soul" in each dupe could be completely dependant on how much precision Madrox exerts in the "duping" process. Professor X could do it, but maybe Jamie isn't disciplined enough.

And before that, in X-Corps he had lots of well-behaved dupes, with little apparent emotional connection to any being hurt or killed. Several became tainted by Lady Mastermind. It was all really messy...

Maybe these two incidents of serious dupe trauma started Jamie on the road to being the schitzo he seems to be these days.

[fishtaco]

, for instance, and he had to call that dupe to research the question for Millionaire in X-Factor (vol. 2) #1.The current book is the 3rd X-Factor series, not the second. :)

[Cowlander]

In Grant Morrison's New X-Men, Professor X used Madrox to create a whole army of drone-like soldiers. Many died, without causing any apparent trauma to a "central Jamie" (although that may have occured off-camera) and none seemed to have any variant personality traits.

I figure Professor X could use Madrox's power more effectively, like when Emma took over Iceman. And perhaps the amount of "soul" in each dupe could be completely dependant on how much precision Madrox exerts in the "duping" process. Professor X could do it, but maybe Jamie isn't disciplined enough.

And before that, in X-Corps he had lots of well-behaved dupes, with little apparent emotional connection to any being hurt or killed. Several became tainted by Lady Mastermind. It was all really messy...

Maybe these two incidents of serious dupe trauma started Jamie on the road to being the schitzo he seems to be these days.
I took in this instance as Jaime deliberately creating dupes with the different dominant aspects. Theres really only so many aspects of a human psychy to manifest off of. When he does hundreds or so dupes their just dupes of him not different aspects. BUt in instances where he needs the "perspective" that the fragmented dupes gives, he can call on them on purpose.

With the unpredictable one being that random factor that he might get.

[riotgear]

In Grant Morrison's New X-Men, Professor X used Madrox to create a whole army of drone-like soldiers. Many died, without causing any apparent trauma to a "central Jamie" (although that may have occured off-camera) and none seemed to have any variant personality traits.

I figure Professor X could use Madrox's power more effectively, like when Emma took over Iceman. And perhaps the amount of "soul" in each dupe could be completely dependant on how much precision Madrox exerts in the "duping" process. Professor X could do it, but maybe Jamie isn't disciplined enough.

And before that, in X-Corps he had lots of well-behaved dupes, with little apparent emotional connection to any being hurt or killed. Several became tainted by Lady Mastermind. It was all really messy...

Maybe these two incidents of serious dupe trauma started Jamie on the road to being the schitzo he seems to be these days.

Jamie has been a "schitzo" for a long time. He had developed a near-pathological fear of being alone, when his parents died on the farm when he was young, leaving him alone.

[Peter David]

In the MadroX mini-series each of Jamie's dupes are inherit a part of Jamie prime personally. So I wonder if one of his dupes die does the personally trait the dupe had go away with it? For example, if Jamie made a dupe that present his greedy side and if that dupe died will this Jamie prime lose his ability to be greedy?

No.

The dupes don't "inherit" a part of Jamie's personality so much as that they reflect it. If you look in a mirror and then break it, your face doesn't disappear.

PAD

[Gaveedra 6]

If you look in a mirror and then break it, your face doesn't disappear.

PAD
... or does it??

Thanks for chiming in on these boards Mister David. You have alot of fans here.