View Full Version : What's the best way for Batman to DIE?
Norrin Radd
12-14-2005, 11:04 PM
He's mortal, unlike Superman. One day he's going to have to kick the bucket, reboots be damned.
Guts/Batman
12-14-2005, 11:40 PM
None of the above.
Long live Bruce Wayne!!!
Watchman
12-15-2005, 12:29 AM
He's mortal, unlike Superman.
That's what YOU think.
I know DC will always keep Bruce as Batman. But if they ever did decide to give him an "ending," I'd want it to be a happy one where he gets a family of his own again. So I chose #3.
GozertheGozarian
12-15-2005, 01:16 AM
Never been a Batman fan, so I'd like to see him taken out like a street punk, by a street punk.
Waffles
12-15-2005, 02:17 AM
The best way?
Running with scissors. Best Batman death ever.
Arkham Resident
12-15-2005, 03:58 AM
I kinda like the 'Kingdome Come' and DKR ending for Bruce. Dont want to
die in battle even for sacrifice..
prand_2002
12-15-2005, 04:20 AM
There is a line in Batman Beyond where Clark tells Bruce "You will outlive us all Bruce, you are too stuborn to die"
Oh and Superman is not immortal.
megladon8
12-15-2005, 08:01 AM
I personally see Superman dying before Batman.
Best way for Batman to die? To not die at all.
...it made sense in my head.
The Mirrorball Man
12-15-2005, 08:13 AM
"Other".
Thomas Wayne should come back from the dead, grab a gun, and shoot his son dead in Crime Alley.
OverMaster
12-15-2005, 10:26 AM
Killed by his greatest enemy, the Most dangerous Man in the World...
The Ten-Eyed Man!!!!!!!
Chad G.
12-15-2005, 10:39 AM
"Other".
Thomas Wayne should come back from the dead, grab a gun, and shoot his son dead in Crime Alley.
Thats easily the most ludacris thing I've ever read on CBR. :cool:
Nefarius
12-15-2005, 11:19 AM
I kinda like the 'Kingdome Come' and DKR ending for Bruce. Dont want to
die in battle even for sacrifice..
Same here. :cool:
LordEd1976
12-15-2005, 11:51 AM
Here's my idea.
Using the Post-Zero Hour idea that Batman doesnt know who killed his parents, the story opens with someone feeding Bats a clue to the killer. After a long search he finds out the guy who killed his parents was a loser thug who died heavy in debt and was buried in an unmarked ditch.
He then looks for the one who sent him the clue. The trail leads to THE JOKER. We find out Joker has known Bats was Bruce Wayne for years but chose not say anything because he was getting a laugh out of watching Bats have no clue that he knew. He also thought it was funny that his whole quest came from some loser who couldn't even pawn the jewelry he stole from Martha Wayne.
In the end batman and Joker have their final battle. Joker dies same way he did in DKR, snapping his own spine to spite Batman. Batman, mortally wounded, makes his way to his parents' grave where he kneels in front of it and whispers "mother, father. It's over." He's found the next day, dead and with his mask off , by Jim Gordon. Gordon keeps the secret and after Bruce Wayne's public burial, has the grave site dug up so he can put the bat costume on top of Bruce's casket. The grave is then sealed off again and the Batman is put to rest at last.
Chad G.
12-15-2005, 12:06 PM
Here's my idea.
Using the Post-Zero Hour idea that Batman doesnt know who killed his parents, the story opens with someone feeding Bats a clue to the killer. After a long search he finds out the guy who killed his parents was a loser thug who died heavy in debt and was buried in an unmarked ditch.
He then looks for the one who sent him the clue. The trail leads to THE JOKER. We find out Joker has known Bats was Bruce Wayne for years but chose not say anything because he was getting a laugh out of watching Bats have no clue that he knew. He also thought it was funny that his whole quest came from some loser who couldn't even pawn the jewelry he stole from Martha Wayne.
In the end batman and Joker have their final battle. Joker dies same way he did in DKR, snapping his own spine to spite Batman. Batman, mortally wounded, makes his way to his parents' grave where he kneels in front of it and whispers "mother, father. It's over." He's found the next day, dead and with his mask off , by Jim Gordon. Gordon keeps the secret and after Bruce Wayne's public burial, has the grave site dug up so he can put the bat costume on top of Bruce's casket. The grave is then sealed off again and the Batman is put to rest at last.
If, and I do mean IF, Bruce had to die, that would be one hell of a story. Great Idea.
But Bats will never die people. ;)
megladon8
12-15-2005, 12:14 PM
Here's my idea.
Using the Post-Zero Hour idea that Batman doesnt know who killed his parents, the story opens with someone feeding Bats a clue to the killer. After a long search he finds out the guy who killed his parents was a loser thug who died heavy in debt and was buried in an unmarked ditch.
He then looks for the one who sent him the clue. The trail leads to THE JOKER. We find out Joker has known Bats was Bruce Wayne for years but chose not say anything because he was getting a laugh out of watching Bats have no clue that he knew. He also thought it was funny that his whole quest came from some loser who couldn't even pawn the jewelry he stole from Martha Wayne.
In the end batman and Joker have their final battle. Joker dies same way he did in DKR, snapping his own spine to spite Batman. Batman, mortally wounded, makes his way to his parents' grave where he kneels in front of it and whispers "mother, father. It's over." He's found the next day, dead and with his mask off , by Jim Gordon. Gordon keeps the secret and after Bruce Wayne's public burial, has the grave site dug up so he can put the bat costume on top of Bruce's casket. The grave is then sealed off again and the Batman is put to rest at last.
That's very cool.
I'd love to tie that into my movie, maybe in a sequel.
My movie, by the way, is my own rendition of the origin of the Joker.
Major Danger
12-15-2005, 01:16 PM
There are some absolutes in this world, James Bond always wins and always ends up in bed with the girl and Batman doesn't die! I know they've killed Superman, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, even Robin. But The Batman does not die!
1HELLBOY
12-15-2005, 05:06 PM
There are some absolutes in this world, James Bond always wins and always ends up in bed with the girl and Batman doesn't die! I know they've killed Superman, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, even Robin. But The Batman does not die!
End the thread. This is the million dollar answer.
Guts/Batman
12-15-2005, 05:56 PM
Oh and Superman is not immortal.
Well...Terry was Bruce's clone so... :o
Also, Superman may not be immortal in the "can't be killed sense" but is effectively immortal in the "can't die naturally" sense.
Calamas
12-15-2005, 07:00 PM
You almost had it right with #2. He goes out saving *A* life, maybe a couple, but no blaze of glory; just another scrimmage in the war on crime, but this time--unfortunately--a loss. So, “Other.”
stealthwise
12-15-2005, 07:23 PM
"Other".
Thomas Wayne should come back from the dead, grab a gun, and shoot his son dead in Crime Alley.
You just spoiled the end of All-Star Batman and Robin!!!
:D
Smallville
12-15-2005, 07:24 PM
Well...Terry was Bruce's clone so... :o
Terry isn't Bruce's clone, he's his son! :p
palaeomerus
12-15-2005, 07:34 PM
I think the best death for Batman is if he was wrapped in a crepe and eaten by a giant walrus made of Kryptonite and then somehow became the root of a new religeon.
LordEd1976
12-15-2005, 07:41 PM
That's very cool.
I'd love to tie that into my movie, maybe in a sequel.
My movie, by the way, is my own rendition of the origin of the Joker.
Your movie???
megladon8
12-15-2005, 08:12 PM
Your movie???
Yes.
Principal photography begins next May/June.
Lord_Archive
12-15-2005, 08:43 PM
I think the best death for Batman is if he was wrapped in a crepe and eaten by a giant walrus made of Kryptonite and then somehow became the root of a new religeon.
That's absurd. I love it.
I'd love to see Batman die while having sex with Wonder Woman. One powerful orgasm and Wonder Woman accidentally rips him in half.
BatmanBale
12-16-2005, 08:20 AM
Batman never die! :mad:
Detective#27
12-16-2005, 08:21 AM
Batman and Superman fight to death. Both die and so does DC world.
LordEd1976
12-16-2005, 09:49 AM
That's absurd. I love it.
I'd love to see Batman die while having sex with Wonder Woman. One powerful orgasm and Wonder Woman accidentally rips him in half.
You just blew the end to Infinite Crisis
mohammedali
12-16-2005, 09:57 AM
Let me guess, Diana kills Batman as discribed above, only to find it all over the TV and media because it was recorded by some pervy OMAC lol
Leon Thomas
12-16-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't want it to be Batman sacrificing himself to save the world or anything as grandiose as that. I'd rather Joker shoot him in the face and instantly reestablish himself as the baddest villain on Earth.
xnef1025
12-16-2005, 10:29 AM
Let me guess, Diana kills Batman as discribed above, only to find it all over the TV and media because it was recorded by some pervy OMAC lol
The DVD is titled "Dark Knight in Thymescria"
LordEd1976
12-16-2005, 04:32 PM
Yes.
Principal photography begins next May/June.
Would it be too much to ask that if you use any of my idea for Batman's death that you give me credit for it?
Emerald Ghost
12-16-2005, 05:42 PM
How would I kill Batman? OMAC.
Poetic. Justice.
megladon8
12-16-2005, 08:17 PM
Would it be too much to ask that if you use any of my idea for Batman's death that you give me credit for it?
I will, certainly.
However, I'm not using it for this film.
This film is entirely dedicated to my rendition of Joker's origin.
LordEd1976
12-16-2005, 08:28 PM
I will, certainly.
However, I'm not using it for this film.
This film is entirely dedicated to my rendition of Joker's origin.
Thank you mystery sir.
megladon8
12-16-2005, 08:30 PM
Thank you mystery sir.
No problem.
I also have a short Batman soundscape called "The Death of Batman".
However, I don't think I am able to upload it here.
hitokiri_
12-16-2005, 08:31 PM
uhmmm... gets absorbed into the speed force? he' the ***damn batman.
Panman
12-16-2005, 09:31 PM
No problem.
I also have a short Batman soundscape called "The Death of Batman".
However, I don't think I am able to upload it here.
Didn't Joker already make a movie with that title?
megladon8
12-16-2005, 10:11 PM
Didn't Joker already make a movie with that title?
...I'm lost.
rickfury188
12-16-2005, 10:23 PM
If Batman were to die, his spirit and what he fought for would live on.
Guts/Batman
12-16-2005, 10:36 PM
...I'm lost.
I believe he is talking about Batman Beyond...
ryan_catcher
12-17-2005, 12:57 AM
Gets a replacement, gives up the cape, gets married, has a kid, lives happily... only to be shot as he leaves a theater by a fleeing Joker. No Bat Junior though. His kid and wife gotta die too.
stillanerd
12-17-2005, 01:31 AM
I voted for goes out in a blaze of glory. Just seemed fitting to me. Besides, The Dark Knight Returns WAS the quintisental final Batman story for me, even though he didn't really die at the end. And nobody better mention that s***storm DK2. To me, it does not exist.
OverMaster
12-17-2005, 07:12 AM
I believe he is talking about Batman Beyond...
No, I think he's talking about a part in Knightquest where the Joker decided to make a movie by filming Batman's death. For some reason, though, the Azrael Batman didn't want to go with dying for the film and kicked the crap outta Joker instead.
Alan2099
12-17-2005, 10:05 AM
Chokes on his bubblegum while fighting crime.
caboose
12-17-2005, 01:30 PM
For me its gotta be a massive sacrifice in a blaze of glory. I simply couldn't see Bruce Wayne giving up being Batman. Never. It is his life and it was always going to be after his parents died.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
palaeomerus
12-17-2005, 01:41 PM
I don't want it to be Batman sacrificing himself to save the world or anything as grandiose as that. I'd rather Joker shoot him in the face and instantly reestablish himself as the baddest villain on Earth.
...until Super Man casually throws the Joker into orbit...while he's still clutching the kryptonite that he though would stop Superman from throwing him into orbit.
Maybe Batman should fall off of a bridge. It worked with Captain Kirk.
Calamas
12-17-2005, 02:40 PM
Maybe Batman should fall off of a bridge. It worked with Captain Kirk.
Only If Dick Grayson is there to be inspired by his dying words.
Guts/Batman
12-17-2005, 11:05 PM
Chokes on his bubblegum while fighting crime.
Chokes on his bubble gum?
We can do better than that... :D
Maybe forgets where he parks his Batmobile because of the massive number blunts that he smoked that night before putting his suit on and gets gets hit by a person driving a car and not seeing him.
Let's see how you'll get out of this, "person supposedly without a healing factor." :D
Erebus
12-17-2005, 11:13 PM
You know, I kind of see Batman coming back as the Spectre if he dies.
Calamas
12-17-2005, 11:54 PM
You know, I kind of see Batman coming back as the Spectre if he dies.
Oh, Lord. An obsessed Spirit of Vengeance. This would make buzz saws and shark attacks look like a slap on the wrist.
JulianPerez
12-19-2005, 03:53 PM
Here's my idea.
Using the Post-Zero Hour idea that Batman doesnt know who killed his parents, the story opens with someone feeding Bats a clue to the killer. After a long search he finds out the guy who killed his parents was a loser thug who died heavy in debt and was buried in an unmarked ditch.
He then looks for the one who sent him the clue. The trail leads to THE JOKER. We find out Joker has known Bats was Bruce Wayne for years but chose not say anything because he was getting a laugh out of watching Bats have no clue that he knew. He also thought it was funny that his whole quest came from some loser who couldn't even pawn the jewelry he stole from Martha Wayne.
In the end batman and Joker have their final battle. Joker dies same way he did in DKR, snapping his own spine to spite Batman. Batman, mortally wounded, makes his way to his parents' grave where he kneels in front of it and whispers "mother, father. It's over." He's found the next day, dead and with his mask off , by Jim Gordon. Gordon keeps the secret and after Bruce Wayne's public burial, has the grave site dug up so he can put the bat costume on top of Bruce's casket. The grave is then sealed off again and the Batman is put to rest at last.
Great idea, Ed, except for one flaw:
If Batman gives up the cape and cowl because he found the person that killed his parents, that means that he fights crime out of vengeance and grief instead of innate nobility, decency, and heroism.
If Batman, post-Zero Hour, ever discovers who kills his parents, he wouldn't stop being Batman. He fights injustice and protects the weak because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
Much ado has been made of Batman being a "darker" character than Superman; while the two characters are different, it is a question of their stories' atmosphere (brilliantly captured by Dennis O'Neil and Steve Englehart) not their motivations. Batman is just as incorruptible as Superman is. Batman is not "obsessed." He is not "paranoid" or "crazy." He has a strong sense of justice, but this is fundamentally different from being "obsessed."
JulianPerez
12-19-2005, 03:58 PM
As for his death - well, Alan Moore wrote it best in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" that Batman's greatest dream was to be living up and married to Kathy Kane (props to Alan Moore for using a GREAT Silver Age character).
Insert here Silver St. Cloud or a reformed Catwoman the way the incredible Alan Brennart had him married to; whatever, as long as he lives happily ever after.
I for one, hope Batman gets a happy ending.
megladon8
12-19-2005, 04:02 PM
As for his death - well, Alan Moore wrote it best in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" that Batman's greatest dream was to be living up and married to Kathy Kane (props to Alan Moore for using a GREAT Silver Age character).
Insert here Silver St. Cloud or a reformed Catwoman the way the incredible Alan Brennart had him married to; whatever, as long as he lives happily ever after.
I for one, hope Batman gets a happy ending.
While most people see a dark ending as being more suiting - and would prefer that - I have to say, I wouldn't mind seeing Batman get a happy ending.
He deserves it.
But whether or not he recognizes it as happy is another question.
LordEd1976
12-19-2005, 08:36 PM
Great idea, Ed, except for one flaw:
If Batman gives up the cape and cowl because he found the person that killed his parents, that means that he fights crime out of vengeance and grief instead of innate nobility, decency, and heroism.
If Batman, post-Zero Hour, ever discovers who kills his parents, he wouldn't stop being Batman. He fights injustice and protects the weak because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
Much ado has been made of Batman being a "darker" character than Superman; while the two characters are different, it is a question of their stories' atmosphere (brilliantly captured by Dennis O'Neil and Steve Englehart) not their motivations. Batman is just as incorruptible as Superman is. Batman is not "obsessed." He is not "paranoid" or "crazy." He has a strong sense of justice, but this is fundamentally different from being "obsessed."
Hi Julian. nice of you to tell me you joined the forum.
JulianPerez
12-20-2005, 01:13 AM
But whether or not he recognizes it as happy is another question.
Batman is a grim and atmospheric character, sure, but that doesn't mean he can't feel happiness. Alan Brennart used to write that Batman's greatest fear was being alone; in "The Autobiography of Bruce Wayne," Batman is shown to be terrified as to what will happen when Dick graduates from college and Kathy Kane moves on to other things...
"What happens...when I'm finally ALONE?"
Batman really, really feels the need to connect to others - that's why he values things like his friendship with Superman and Alfred and Comissioner Gordon.
If Batman HAD to hook up with any one of the feisty femmes in his books, I'd have to cast my vote for Silver St. Cloud, as I am a big Steve Englehart fan; he gave the both of them passion so hot you had to hose down the comic. Silver is THE woman in Batman's life. A close runner-up would have to be the wonderful Kathy Kane Batwoman - day to Batman's night, a wonderful character with strong history. Hopefully, the new Batwoman series will feature her; I wouldn't put money on it in Vegas, but it would be absolutely terrific if it did.
You know, I kind of see Batman coming back as the Spectre if he dies.
Nah. The Spectre KILLS; Batman never would.
Hi Julian. nice of you to tell me you joined the forum.
Well, let's see how long I stay. ;)
LordEd1976
12-20-2005, 11:43 AM
Batman is a grim and atmospheric character, sure, but that doesn't mean he can't feel happiness. Alan Brennart used to write that Batman's greatest fear was being alone; in "The Autobiography of Bruce Wayne," Batman is shown to be terrified as to what will happen when Dick graduates from college and Kathy Kane moves on to other things...
"What happens...when I'm finally ALONE?"
Batman really, really feels the need to connect to others - that's why he values things like his friendship with Superman and Alfred and Comissioner Gordon.
Nice example but be careful. After all the Batman in that story is the pre-Crisis Earth-2 Bats. Can you think of a similar example using post-Crisis Batman?
davids
12-20-2005, 12:30 PM
Shot In Bed At The Age Of 98 By A Justified Jealous Boy Friend!
megladon8
12-20-2005, 12:34 PM
Nah. The Spectre KILLS; Batman never would.
Do you read Superman/Batman?
He went back in time and killed Joe Chill.
Shot him in the face.
LordEd1976
12-20-2005, 02:57 PM
Do you read Superman/Batman?
He went back in time and killed Joe Chill.
Shot him in the face.
I think this is the exception that proves the rule. If your read the story you'll realize that Batman and Superman had up to that point had their histories played with by the LSV trio. given that, certain traits may have be erased or modified. Plus I doubt when given the chance you'd let the killer of parents live.
megladon8
12-20-2005, 03:06 PM
I think this is the exception that proves the rule. If your read the story you'll realize that Batman and Superman had up to that point had their histories played with by the LSV trio. given that, certain traits may have be erased or modified. Plus I doubt when given the chance you'd let the killer of parents live.
He still killed him.
I think Batman is going to find it harder and harder to keep his "no killing policy" in the future.
EDIT: And I did read the story. And yes, their histories AND futures had been tampered with, but by this point, they were (more or less) back to normal.
LordEd1976
12-20-2005, 08:49 PM
He still killed him.
I think Batman is going to find it harder and harder to keep his "no killing policy" in the future.
EDIT: And I did read the story. And yes, their histories AND futures had been tampered with, but by this point, they were (more or less) back to normal.
To take a page from Knigdom Come
take away everything else and you have a man who desont want to see people die.
megladon8
12-20-2005, 09:08 PM
To take a page from Knigdom Come
take away everything else and you have a man who desont want to see people die.
I haven't read Kingdom Come *dashes out of the way of rocks being thrown at groin*
I don't think Batman wants to see anyone die. But I think in the years to come, we will see certain very sick individuals that perhaps even Batman thinks deserve to die.
Guts/Batman
12-20-2005, 11:31 PM
Do you read Superman/Batman?
He went back in time and killed Joe Chill.
Shot him in the face.
Hence I wish I could ignore S/B...
megladon8
12-21-2005, 05:31 AM
Hence I wish I could ignore S/B...
*shakes head*
Jeph Loeb haters...I'll never understand you...
JulianPerez
12-21-2005, 09:32 AM
Nice example but be careful. After all the Batman in that story is the pre-Crisis Earth-2 Bats. Can you think of a similar example using post-Crisis Batman?
Good point, though Earth-1 and Earth-2 Batman, like Earth-1 and Earth-2 Superman, aren't as radically different as, say, for instance, Green Lantern.
Okay, here's one from Earth-1: there was an issue (I can't remember the writer, probably Marv Wolfman or Jim Starlin) where Dick Grayson asks Batman about his new Robin. Dick Grayson asks him why Batman did it. Batman gave some BS about why Batman needs a Robin.
"I want the TRUTH, Bruce," Dick Grayson says.
Batman responds in a very small voice. "Okay. Fine. I admit it. I missed you."
Do you read Superman/Batman?
He went back in time and killed Joe Chill.
Shot him in the face.
I haven't read this comic, so I can't comment on this because I don't know the context.
However, Batman has been characterized as someone that doesn't kill, who does what he does to save lives. If Batman were to commit murder, that would mean he was written out of character.
megladon8
12-21-2005, 12:02 PM
I haven't read this comic, so I can't comment on this because I don't know the context.
However, Batman has been characterized as someone that doesn't kill, who does what he does to save lives. If Batman were to commit murder, that would mean he was written out of character.
I disagree completely.
JulianPerez
12-21-2005, 01:43 PM
I disagree completely.
Elaborate.
Why is it wrong that Batman, who has been characterized as a noble champion of justice and protector of the weak, a heroic individual, would agree to commit murder and kill another person, even a criminal? Batman has a dark come on, but he still follows a code as strong as any other of the superheroes created in his period.
Even Frank Miller, whose Batman indulged in astonishing brutality, had the Batman refuse to kill the Joker, his greatest enemy.
Also: what writers and circumstances, do you think, best capture Batman's characterization?
LordEd1976
12-21-2005, 01:51 PM
Elaborate.
Why is it wrong that Batman, who has been characterized as a noble champion of justice and protector of the weak, a heroic individual, would agree to commit murder and kill another person, even a criminal? Batman has a dark come on, but he still follows a code as strong as any other of the superheroes created in his period.
Even Frank Miller, whose Batman indulged in astonishing brutality, had the Batman refuse to kill the Joker, his greatest enemy.
Well put.
To quote Commissioner Gordon in Batman Mask of the Phantasm
"Its garbage Mr. Reeves.
The Batman doesn't kill. Period."
Adrian Tullberg
12-22-2005, 03:41 AM
I had an idea once that the Batman would die saving the Joker ...
... then the paramedics and cops burst in to see the Joker screaming and shaking the Batman's body, telling him to get up, because it wasn't funny ...
Patient Boy
12-22-2005, 07:12 AM
As for his death - well, Alan Moore wrote it best in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" that Batman's greatest dream was to be living up and married to Kathy Kane (props to Alan Moore for using a GREAT Silver Age character).
I believe that was in "For The Man Who Has Everything" actually.
JulianPerez
12-22-2005, 07:16 AM
I believe that was in "For The Man Who Has Everything" actually.
Hmmm! Well, whichever was in SUPERMAN ANNUAL #11 (1985).
megladon8
12-22-2005, 11:01 AM
Elaborate.
Why is it wrong that Batman, who has been characterized as a noble champion of justice and protector of the weak, a heroic individual, would agree to commit murder and kill another person, even a criminal? Batman has a dark come on, but he still follows a code as strong as any other of the superheroes created in his period.
Even Frank Miller, whose Batman indulged in astonishing brutality, had the Batman refuse to kill the Joker, his greatest enemy.
He also had Batman two-handing assault rifles.
I think it depends on the writing. I think it could written VERY effectively to have Batman kill someone who is so sick, so terrible, that there is literally no other way of stopping them. Perhaps he is working with the JLA, and they all see that this must be done, and he volunteers because, perhaps, he is the only one capable. I don't know...but I think it could work.
There are plenty of stories out there that are living proof that HUGE changes in character and continuity can, indeed work.
Also: what writers and circumstances, do you think, best capture Batman's characterization?
In my personal opinion, there is no definitive Batman. There have been so many different interpretations, all with their ups and downs.
I loved Frank Miller's idea of a dark and sadistic Bat, but I didn't like how he made him seem psychotic.
Similarly, there is some fantastic atman work from the 1970s in terms of plots and storytelling, but I found they made the character a little bit too light.
If I had to pick one that I thought was closest, I would probably say Batman: Year One. He maintained the mysterious side of the character, making the people involved in the story think he is a monster or something, whereas the reader - seeing it from the point of view of Batman - is constantly reminded that he really is just a man.
However, one line in that book KILLS me whenever I read it. I almost want to skip it whenever i re-read the book...
"Yes, daddy! I will become a bat!"
I'd also like to add that I thought YO had a WONDERFUL interpretation of Gordon.
PrimalScream
12-22-2005, 11:59 AM
ironic death-shot in the very alley his parents died in as bruce wayne along with his wife leaving his young son 2 carry on the legacy.
mattx110
12-22-2005, 01:40 PM
there hasn't really been a future for batman other than batman beyond that doesn't have a fascist government he needs to bring down. in a LODK, chuck dixon had him working with an fully accepted by the police in the future, and there was still crazy fascists to take down. i'd like him to be chased by the cops and so tired of everything he blows up arkham and washington dc, and lives out retirement on a beach, but that might be a bit out of character for what we're used to.
there is no way for him to retire and he doesn't die until he finishes his job, and when he thinks he's done he has to take out the us/world government and then there's the crazy villians who were hiding until batman wasn't expecting them and then idk, the sons and grandsons of criminals. how about, he becomes green lantern or the spectre and just takes out every single weapon on earth and sets up communism, then leaves earth to become batman of another planet.
megladon8
12-22-2005, 02:51 PM
ironic death-shot in the very alley his parents died in as bruce wayne along with his wife leaving his young son 2 carry on the legacy.
That could go either way...it could be horrible and contrived, or one of the coolest things ever.
I could just see it. He and his wife and son come out of a theatre. A suspicious man comes out of the shadows, but seems to be minding his own business.
BRUCE (thinking): God...this is the alley. This is the place. Who is this man?
BRUCE JR.: Wasn't that movie great, Dad? I loved that part when he had his sword and he was all like, *ching, clang, BANG*
BRUCE: Yes...it was a really good movie. I remember seeing it as a boy and loving that part too.
BRUCE (thinking): Please let this man jsut walk past us. Of all the nights I didn't have Alfred shadow us in the Batmobile...
MAN: Give me your money and jewelry...fast.
BRUCE: Here...take everything...just please...leave us...ALONE! *grabs the man's gun*
The man pulls out a second gun and shoots Bruce. Then his wife.
He runs, leaving the boy there by himself with his dying parents.
samuraizero
12-22-2005, 03:26 PM
Well...Terry was Bruce's clone so... :o
Also, Superman may not be immortal in the "can't be killed sense" but is effectively immortal in the "can't die naturally" sense.
so superman cant die of old age?
Crash-Man
12-24-2005, 09:04 AM
I was with this thread until the part about Batman dying.
Major Danger
12-24-2005, 10:38 AM
That could go either way...it could be horrible and contrived, or one of the coolest things ever.
I could just see it. He and his wife and son come out of a theatre. A suspicious man comes out of the shadows, but seems to be minding his own business.
BRUCE (thinking): God...this is the alley. This is the place. Who is this man?
BRUCE JR.: Wasn't that movie great, Dad? I loved that part when he had his sword and he was all like, *ching, clang, BANG*
BRUCE: Yes...it was a really good movie. I remember seeing it as a boy and loving that part too.
BRUCE (thinking): Please let this man jsut walk past us. Of all the nights I didn't have Alfred shadow us in the Batmobile...
MAN: Give me your money and jewelry...fast.
BRUCE: Here...take everything...just please...leave us...ALONE! *grabs the man's gun*
The man pulls out a second gun and shoots Bruce. Then his wife.
He runs, leaving the boy there by himself with his dying parents.
Not bad. As I said before, my feelings are The Batman Does Not Die, but if he has to, that would not be a bad way to go, it sets up his son to become Batman later, and of course Bruce's wife should be Selina Kyle so the kid is the son of Batman and Catwoman.
Guts/Batman
12-24-2005, 02:00 PM
so superman cant die of old age?
Not under a yellow sun he can't...
Guts/Batman
12-24-2005, 02:04 PM
*shakes head*
Jeph Loeb haters...I'll never understand you...
I don't hate him but his storytelling doesn't...make me wanna read it. I like his earlier Batman stuff but Hush blew ass and S/B should be relatively ignorable from a continuity sense.
Plus, there are many things that happen in S/B that can't be explained by the rest of the Bat or Super-verse.
I would explain why but this isn't what this thread is for so I disgress for another thread.
Bloopinator
12-24-2005, 02:43 PM
He'd die the way a real man would want to die! Doing the ballet! He would be doing the ballet and then trip on his really long tutu and his head would hit the wall and he'd die.
VietN
12-25-2005, 04:48 PM
As a symbol of perserverence and human potential after a life of hardship... I'd go with some sort of happy ending.
Azrael52
12-29-2005, 10:20 AM
I voted street punk like his parents. Fitting, really. It'd be great if the same guy did it.
Tsoul
12-29-2005, 11:49 AM
the whole being killed by a street thug wouldn't be too good IMO.
What some of you people are forgetting is that batman's "no killing" code is also a great plot device to explain why he doesn't off joker, two face, or psychotic murderer of your choice after the upteenth time he has to catch them after murdering someone, put them in arkham where they will be back again later, and again put them back in without murdering them.
Another aspect about his no killing code is simply his position as a vigilante. If he goes around killing people whenever he sees fit then I'm not sure he can be even partially endorsed by the city for long, being self appointed judge, jury, and executioner.
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