Uncanny X-Men #467 *SPOILERS AND HOLY WOWZA*

[Jkid099]

It's been on and off with Uncanny X-Men for me. Some issues are hit, and some are miss. But Claremont's post-House of M has been real good so far. This issue is pretty brutal as you see pretty much the entirety of Jean Grey's family wiped out by what appears to be a Shi'ar strike team (Superguardians / Imperial Guard? There was no one familiar in the group). The whole course of the issue takes place over 24 seconds, with the entire assault being lightning-quick and brutal. Claremont spaces the whole issue out with Rachel's mental descriptions of each family member just as they're being slaughtered. Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Psylocke are quick to respond (Nightcrawler being telepathically alerted to Rachel's shock, teleports the three of them {with Betsy only in a robe} to the sight) and they desperately attempt to save the Grey family ... and are defeated.

Due to Rachel's strong telepathic powers, it seems the strike team had trouble locating her, and at the end of the issue she is "tagged" with some sort of Phoenix symbol (so she can never be overlooked again). Presumably, the team has been ordered by the Imperiex (if it's still Lilanda) to "wipe out the Grey genome" (and presumably, anyone capable of "housing the Phoenix" as its power seems to have a tendency to go after Greys). Realistically, this issue couldn't have taken place over 24 seconds. I'd actually believe more like a minute or two.

Still really good and intense. Sort of reminded me of the Mutant Massacre and the X-Men's desperate attempts to save the Morlocks.

[bakla]

Good issue. I would have said it was great if I didn't think Bachalo's art has once again reverted to an unclear storytelling mess. The new Imperial characters were unfamiliar, so you would think he'd take care to make them more distict, but often, I had to look way too carefully to try and figure out what the hell was going on in a panel. Still, I hope it gets better and I look forward to how this story will resolve.

[AnkaleRa]

I think that was the point. Everything was supposed to be an unclear mess. I felt that it added to the chaos of the issue, making as it actually would've been. I mean, if several alien warriors were wipping out your family and they basically just appeared out of nowhere, you would be utterly confused too, and nothing would seem cohesive.

But I guess that's just my love for Bachalo's work talkin'...

[bakla]

I think that was the point. Everything was supposed to be an unclear mess. I felt that it added to the chaos of the issue, making as it actually would've been. I mean, if several alien warriors were wipping out your family and they basically just appeared out of nowhere, you would be utterly confused too, and nothing would seem cohesive.

But I guess that's just my love for Bachalo's work talkin'...
I'm sure it is your admiration, because I don't believe 'non-clarity' was the point. Your "you would be utterly confused' comment doesn't follow because Rachel was adroitly decribing each Grey family member as they died, so she was quite aware depite the battle chaos. There's really no excuse for unclear storytelling of this kind, and Bachalo gets this complaint a lot so I doubt it was 'his point' - that's just how he draws. I have the same comments about his New X-men run as well, and, well Bachalo in general. Bachalo has a unique style, but it gets muddy in his panels.

[Keith_Martineau]

I only thought a couple of the attackers were unclear, like the one who stayed outside and ultimately branded with with the Phoenix tattoo wasn't very clear...

But I thought the action itself was very clear. This would be a challenging story to pencil for anyone, given the very experimental storytelling form. If you actually pay attention from panel to panel, you see things happening in that second by second form, as the camera shifts, elements that were in the background in one frame are center stage in another, and then their aftermath can be seen in another frame.

I can't imagine Cyclops not getting involved here. No matter what his feelings are about Rachel, his ex-wife's entire family just got eradicated. That's gotta do something to ya.

[jeangreydp]

Claremont is hit and miss with me also, but damn this issue was intense.

I really like Bachlalo's pencils, but they do get to be jumbled and that can be tough to read.

Which brings me to a question: Did Jean's Mom die? We see Psylocke covering her and then Psylocke gets blasted, but it doesn't show Jean's Mom....

This story is a real bummer because if there is one thing I DON'T want it's the Grey genome eradicated.

I hope Rachel makes all the Shi'ar suffer to their last breath.

[bakla]

Frankly, I wished I enjoyed the art more, but despite that I really enjoy the hit-and-run attack stories that Claremont does.

One thing that CC does really well is flesh out people (read: 'victims') in a few words, making you actually care for their lost lives. He did the same with Proteus' victims way back when, as well as the Christmas victims of the N'Garai, and he did it well here. He has a way of putting down little details about a character you never met so that you actually care about them right when they're dead. I haven't noticed many other writers do that as well.

[AceOfSpades]

Claremont is hit and miss with me also, but damn this issue was intense.

I really like Bachlalo's pencils, but they do get to be jumbled and that can be tough to read.

Which brings me to a question: Did Jean's Mom die? We see Psylocke covering her and then Psylocke gets blasted, but it doesn't show Jean's Mom....

This story is a real bummer because if there is one thing I DON'T want it's the Grey genome eradicated.

I hope Rachel makes all the Shi'ar suffer to their last breath.

Hear Hear!!! Rachel needs to bring it to the Shi'ar, they've gone and messed with her family ( and when I say mess I mean completly killed everyone)

[AnthonyJ]

I can't imagine Cyclops not getting involved here. No matter what his feelings are about Rachel, his ex-wife's entire family just got eradicated. That's gotta do something to ya.

Cyclops wasn't involved in this particular scene because he wasn't convenient for Kurt to grab (I'm unclear on how the X-men got there anyway -- Kurt's teleport range isn't that long, and from the prior issue I got the impression of a fairly significant separation. Guess not).

As for why he doesn't become involved later (if he doesn't), it would be for the same reason that Book A fails to notice when the Institute is destroyed in Book B.

Interesting that CC seems to have permission to use Shadowcat again.

[fishtaco]

Interesting that CC seems to have permission to use Shadowcat again.He has the right to use her. He created her.

Outstanding issue. Finally, we get to see the Sh'iar make their move against the Phoenix. I bet Rachel will tap into the Phoenix by next issue. I can't wait to see Lilandra as a villain. I think she's much better that way. Were those soldiers members of the Imperial Guard? I've never seen any of them before. My guess is that at the end, the soldiers steralized (sp?) Rachel. If she doesn't have any children, then they aren't going to have to go back and kill all the Grey's a second time. I'm not sure why they didn't just kill her. I've never been more excited for what's to come in this book. The best character at her best is going to be a classic.

Art stunk as usual, but for the most part, it was easy to decipher. I was able to tell what was going on. I liked how the entire issue took place in 24 seconds. Wow. I really felt for the victims. I like how Claremont is hinting that Rachel can never escape her past. It will always follow her and plague her. She just witnessed the death of her entire family. That Terry Maguire guy is pretty much the same as that clubowner that helped Rachel get herself together. He was murdered by Selene.

I want Ahab to show up, but I don't think it will happen. I'm also kind of dissapointed that we didn't get to see Cannonball, Forge, and Bishop. And why were Storm and Wolverine on the cover? Anyway, it was a great issue overall.

8.5/10

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Interesting that CC seems to have permission to use Shadowcat again.

Like Fishtaco said, he should be able to use her, cuz he created her. He certainly still writes an awesome Shadowcat. It made sense that she was included. Who would Rachel call first if she needed help? Her best friends Kurt, Kitty and Betsy. Emma and Scott also heard her. I'm guessing because Rachel in some way considers Scott very close to her and Emma because shes a super telepath.

[Brian M.]

Yea I don't blame Scott for not being there hell the whole thing last 24 seconds if it wasn't for Kurt noone would be there but Rachel. I do hope they show Scott's reaction and some feelings towards this.

[Blackcat]

I found it a bit weird we see all these new Imperial Guards. There are allready about 30-35 of them, of which a lot are cool enough. Why create new ones? I do not see one I know.

I do not like the art, I cannot even figure out how many Imperial Guards are there, and what their powers are. Someone else does? Please do tell!

[Teamballin]

Man while reading the issue all I could think was Holy Crap this is all in 24 seconds. The Shi'ar killed off the entire Grey Family in a matter of 24 seconds, I didn't like how Rachel has all this power but was so easily defeated. It was great art work and great story. But the cover was so disillusion, I mean Bishop and Wolverine and Storm were no where to be seen in the entire issue. Matter fact I like how by the time the headliner show the issue was over and also how the story stuck strictly to the grey's home. Showing the everything happen so fast the story ended before it even began.

[bakla]

I found it a bit weird we see all these new Imperial Guards. There are allready about 30-35 of them, of which a lot are cool enough. Why create new ones? I do not see one I know.

I do not like the art, I cannot even figure out how many Imperial Guards are there, and what their powers are. Someone else does? Please do tell!
They might not be Imperial Gaurd. I was thinking they might be some sort of assassin strike force. Or perhaps they needed to have newer Imperial Guard operatives since the older, more established guard regularly got their asses served to them by the X-men.

[jeangreydp]

Once again I pose the question:

Did Jean's Mom die?

[Jkid099]

Wasn't made clear. I think she's alive, it seemed Psylocke was holding off the alien pretty well ... and then that alien got more focused on Psylocke than Mrs. Grey. It'll probably be revealed next issue.

[Keith_Martineau]

The entire Astonishing cast is up for use since it's on hiatus.

But then again, it's not like they all weren't used in other titles (especially Emma) anyway.

[AnthonyJ]

He has the right to use her. He created her.

I wasn't talking about 'right'. I was talking about what editorial will let him do.

[Babylon23]

I loved this issue. This really was Claremont at his best. One of his real skills is telling big storylines while focusing on one or two key team members. We've seen it with Betsy in Hous of M and Rachel here. I've really enjoyed Uncanny since he returned, but since House of M, he's really pulled out all the stops.

It was great seeing Kitty back in Claremont's hands again, both here and in Excalibur. I really wish he could use her full-time. No one has a better understanding of her character and personality.

I didn't have any problem following Bachelo's art. I think he's really shining on this book. He's cut back on the more cluttered look he used on Steampunk and AoA, and it's working well. I love the look of the new Shi'ar.

[Daithi]

I wasn't talking about 'right'. I was talking about what editorial will let him do.

Didn't John Byrne create Kitty too though? Besides Claremont doesn't have any right. He doesn't own the character.

[Sentinel K]

Awesome issue. I thought the artwork was great.

Screw you Bachalo haters! :evilsmile

[Turd_Ferguson]

I don't know what comic you all were reading, but this was probably the worst comic I've ever read. It took me less than thirty seconds to read the whole thing, and for the first time I feel ripped off for the price of a comic.
I'll be taking Uncanny off my pull list and my collection will have a hole in it for the first time in 200 issues. I can only hope the rumours of a new writer are correct.

[xmanson]

So it was a real time experirence for you..

[steve2275]

ooooo nine inkers :p

[Valen]

ooooo nine inkers :p
Just curious, why does this book need nine inkers?

[Turd_Ferguson]

So it was a real time experirence for you..

That joke was more entertaining than anything in the issue. No really, it was.

*sigh* I really hope Bru comes on.

[Beast]

Just curious, why does this book need nine inkers?
Probably cause Bachelo is slow, and since the book is 18 times a year they send the panels to whoever is available to provide the inks. Also why we're already getting a replacement artist for the next storyline. :p

[Valen]

Probably cause Bachelo is slow, and since the book is 18 times a year they send the panels to whoever is available to provide the inks. Also why we're already getting a replacement artist for the next storyline. :p
Thanks :)

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Probably cause Bachelo is slow, and since the book is 18 times a year they send the panels to whoever is available to provide the inks. Also why we're already getting a replacement artist for the next storyline. :p



Oh oh oh I so want to say something but its the holidays so i must be a good boy so Santa will visit me.:p

[Beast]

Oh oh oh I so want to say something but its the holidays so i must be a good boy so Santa will visit me.:p
I'm not saying slow is bad, this has nothing to do with my opinion of Bachelo's art. Just that they need to find some means of speeding up a slow artists panels. And having multiple inkers is one of those ways.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

I'm not saying slow is bad, this has nothing to do with my opinion of Bachelo's art. Just that they need to find some means of speeding up a slow artists panels. And having multiple inkers is one of those ways.

well actually that's not what i was thinking about but if you wanna go there....



Damn must crack Beast and make him fall for the thread drift!

[Turd_Ferguson]

Probably cause Bachelo is slow, and since the book is 18 times a year they send the panels to whoever is available to provide the inks. Also why we're already getting a replacement artist for the next storyline. :p

And without bacchalo, I have no reason to read this book anymore.

[Beast]

And without bacchalo, I have no reason to read this book anymore.
And thankfully I can excuse Bachelo's art for the ass kicking storylines. :D

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

And thankfully I can excuse Bachelo's art for the ass kicking storylines. :D


So the writer's getting replaced too?


Sorry sorry...I'm awful.....just joking I swear!

[Beast]

So the writer's getting replaced too?


Sorry sorry...I'm awful.....just joking I swear!
Just for that, you're getting a lump of coal for X-Mas. At least I think it's coal. :evilsmile

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Just for that, you're getting a lump of coal for X-Mas. At least I think it's coal. :evilsmile


That's ok I don't need coal. If I need a fire I'll just burn the back issues of Claremont's run......:p

[Beast]

That's ok I don't need coal. If I need a fire I'll just burn the back issues of Claremont's run......:p
Don't make me break my prehensile foot off in your ass. :p

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Don't make me break my prehensile foot off in your ass. :p



It is getting a bit chilly *pulls out the first three issues of the Dark Phoenix Saga* Now where did I put my lighter?






And so ends this thread drift....back to your regularly scheduled threading.....

[Blackcat]

How many Imp. Guard members do you guys see?

I've found 8

1-The cloud type
2-Stone guy
3-Grasshopper girl
4-White female
5-The guy with the goat head
6-Red glasses wearing guy
7-Birdman (not the one of the Animan I hope, althou he looks a lot like him)
8-Person who seems to be able to transform in flesh-eating insects (yak)

[jadegiant77]

Yes! I've always wanted to see an innocent family slaughtered before my eyes! YES!!!!

*SIGH*

If there was ever a time for Rachel to re-manifest the Phoenix, this was it. But no, Claremont has been writing her weaker than a kitten lately. The X-Men should just drop a nuke on the Shi'ar and be done with it. Who appointed them the judge, jury, and executioner of the universe???

[Flight]

24 seconds my ass!

[DDM]

With the Shi'ar out for the Grey bloodline, I think they are the villains in the piece because Phoenix has not committed genocide as her mother did as Dark Phoenix. Rachel is taken by surprise by the ferocity of the attack given her powers are screwed up being linked to Psylocke's. I hope Elaine Grey survived.

Now, hopefully, we'll see Majestrix Lilandra soon. Will Deathbird be on the way as well?

10/10

[Loestal]

As it stands now, I don't see them as villains. Would you kill 20 people to save entire planets in the future? I would, and obviously they would to.

[DDM]

As it stands now, I don't see them as villains. Would you kill 20 people to save entire planets in the future? I would, and obviously they would to.

Rachel--as Phoenix--never did commit genocide. You don't arrest someone before the crime is done.

[dotdotdot]

bachalo's art is just fine, many of you just hate the style. but clarity isn't the issue. it's like hearing someone speak with an accent on tv and wanting subtitles to help understand, instead of having to listen a little harder. you can tell exactly what's going on, deal with it.

[Mart]

Oh, this was awful. Murky art and stupid script. OK, so I accept that Rachel was giving us mini-profiles based on what was in their heads, or what Granny and Grandpaw had told her, but what was all that stuff about relationships she had with them? When exactly, for instance, had she read stories to the little girl?

Worst comic since, oh, last issue's New Excalibur.

[Blackcat]

.

Now, hopefully, we'll see Majestrix Lilandra soon. Will Deathbird be on the way as well?

10/10

Deathbird died

[Mart]

Deathbird died

Your point?

[Erkoban]

Deathbird died

So did Colossus... didn't seem to bother him much.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

I felt a little cheated....24 Seconds...and no Jack Bauer? Guess that wasn'ty enough 24 for him.

[AnthonyJ]

Oh, this was awful. Murky art and stupid script. OK, so I accept that Rachel was giving us mini-profiles based on what was in their heads, or what Granny and Grandpaw had told her, but what was all that stuff about relationships she had with them? When exactly, for instance, had she read stories to the little girl?

Possibly in her own history, though I'm unsure the timing makes sense.

[bakla]

bachalo's art is just fine, many of you just hate the style. but clarity isn't the issue. it's like hearing someone speak with an accent on tv and wanting subtitles to help understand, instead of having to listen a little harder. you can tell exactly what's going on, deal with it.
Or to take your analogy ever further, it's like watching an actor who has a distinctive look but can't really act well. If the person's inability to give you quality the way you expect interferes with your enjoyment of the piece, you can deal with it by griping, like some of us are on this thread. I like Bacchalo's style, it's his storytelling abilities I take issue with - a point drummed into me by several Marvel editors as well as Claremont in conversations I've had with them about how they prefer the artists they work with. Clarity of storytelling used to be a hallmark of the Marvel Way of drawing comics. So yes, we're dealing with it.

gripegripegripe

[fishtaco]

Now, hopefully, we'll see Majestrix Lilandra soon. Will Deathbird be on the way as well? Deathbird died in Bishop: The Last X-Man 14. I'd rather not have her come back, because that would require an explanation that I feel there isn't any room for in this last issue of the arc. Rachel--as Phoenix--never did commit genocide. You don't arrest someone before the crime is done.True, we don't, but the Shi'ar apparently do ;) ;) If there was ever a time for Rachel to re-manifest the Phoenix, this was it. But no, Claremont has been writing her weaker than a kitten lately. The X-Men should just drop a nuke on the Shi'ar and be done with it. Who appointed them the judge, jury, and executioner of the universe???Betcha she re-manifests it next issue. Apparently, the Shiar appointed themselves. 5 billion innocent people were killed in Uncanny X-Men 135. They don't want it happening again. What they are doing is supposedly justified, but it's still wrong.

[streator]

Deathbird died in Bishop: The Last X-Man 14. I'd rather not have her come back, because that would require an explanation that I feel there isn't any room for in this last issue of the arc.
she was blown out of the airlock (with a shattered facemask) in issue 15, not 14. i too think she should have died but some explanation could be worked up to have her survive that experience (say she had a teleportation device or something). regardless, i hope she remains dead.

[tunasammiches]

No I don't want Rachel to be Phoenix again. Everyone always complains that Claremont is always re-hashing his old stories...but everyone always wants him to turn Jean and Rachel back into the Phoenix. And isn't Jean Phoenix right now anyways??? Wasn't that established back in that Phoenix mini last year? I would really like to see Rachel take on new aspects as a character. I know everyone says: Rachel=Phoenix, but that's all she ever was and her personality was always dictated by that fact. It's tiresome and redundant. Her character was created waaaay back in the 80's...can she please be written diffferently and would that be such a bad thing? They should give the poor girl a love life or something instead of constantly making her this tragic character.

[cable guy]

What a great issue. The artwork, the story, everything. Finally, a great X-Men comic. I actually can't wait for the next issue.

[xmanson]

Couldn't Rachel have interacted with some of her family after she met her grand parents months ago?

[The Fury]

I really liked this.

What else to say.

Oh yeah...Nakid Psylocke would have been drawn far better by Alan Davis. :(

[fishtaco]

she was blown out of the airlock (with a shattered facemask) in issue 15, not 14. i too think she should have died but some explanation could be worked up to have her survive that experience (say she had a teleportation device or something). regardless, i hope she remains dead.ah, you're right. It was issue 15. Sorry. They should give the poor girl a love life or something instead of constantly making her this tragic character.Why can't she get both? I loved that scene in Uncanny X-Men Annual 14, when she and Franklin Richards (not the 616 one, mind you ;) ) kissed, and the whole sky lit up in the shape of the Phoenix. There is a lot that can be done with Rachel, but her tragic past has put a permanent scar on her soul that will never, ever heal. I see a lot more in Rachel than just her past and her "Phoenix-ness". I'm sure Claremont will build more on the character in the time to come.

[Valen]

I loved that scene in Uncanny X-Men Annual 14, when she and Franklin Richards (not the 616 one, mind you ;) ) kissed, and the whole sky lit up in the shape of the Phoenix.
Wow, I remember the scene, but all I can see in my mind is Rachel making out with a 5 year old.
:eek:

[fishtaco]

Wow, I remember the scene, but all I can see in my mind is Rachel making out with a 5 year old.
:eek:haha. It was the adult Franklin from DOFP. I should have said "Scrapper" (or do people call 616 Franklin that, too?)

[DDM]

haha. It was the adult Franklin from DOFP. I should have said "Scrapper" (or do people call 616 Franklin that, too?)

The mainstream Marvel Universe Franklin Richards does not know Rachel Summers. "Scrapper" was Rachel's nickname for her Earth's Franklin Richards.

[fishtaco]

The mainstream Marvel Universe Franklin Richards does not know Rachel Summers. "Scrapper" was Rachel's nickname for her Earth's Franklin Richards.Yes, I know that.

[G. Wayne]

Neat concept to the issue, but yeah, Bachalo's art is sooo inconsistent anymore. And I despise cluttered/undecipherable action as a way to show "chaos" taking place.

...and now the X-Men are playing with the Shi'ar again, huh?

*sigh*

[cable guy]

Neat concept to the issue, but yeah, Bachalo's art is sooo inconsistent anymore. And I despise cluttered/undecipherable action as a way to show "chaos" taking place.

...and now the X-Men are playing with the Shi'ar again, huh?

*sigh*

I am loving Bachalo's art still.

As far as the Shi'ar, I'll take a dramatic story like this anytime. It was perfect. I thought they played very well into all of this.

[DDM]

I am loving Bachalo's art still.

As far as the Shi'ar, I'll take a dramatic story like this anytime. It was perfect. I thought they played very well into all of this.

Chris Claremont is writing the entire Shi'ar as villains with Lilandra leading the cause against Phoenix (Rachel Summers). It's very different & unexpected considering Lilandra & most of the Shi'ar are his pet creations.

[TimGunn]

I thought this issue was much better than previous ones on Claremont's run.

I totally missed that it was supposed to be 24 seconds! Ha!

Did anyone else think the family descriptions were a little contrived? And they were all so perfect, where were the black sheep in this family. Where was the guy that had just cheated on his wife, or beat his kids, or was getting ready to go to jail or the queer. Damn comic books not being realistic!

Not a Bachalo fan, but this issue was better than his way back work on Gen X. I think he draws women better than men.

Also, I hate it when they put characters on the cover that don't appear in the issue! (Storm, Bishop, Wolverine). Agh!

I am looking forward to the next issue!

[Loestal]

I thought this issue was much better than previous ones on Claremont's run.

I totally missed that it was supposed to be 24 seconds! Ha!

Did anyone else think the family descriptions were a little contrived? And they were all so perfect, where were the black sheep in this family. Where was the guy that had just cheated on his wife, or beat his kids, or was getting ready to go to jail or the queer. Damn comic books not being realistic!

Not a Bachalo fan, but this issue was better than his way back work on Gen X. I think he draws women better than men.

Also, I hate it when they put characters on the cover that don't appear in the issue! (Storm, Bishop, Wolverine). Agh!

I am looking forward to the next issue!

They were all perfect because it was Rachel doing the dialoge, and she didn't know them hardly at all.

[bakla]

Chris Claremont is writing the entire Shi'ar as villains with Lilandra leading the cause against Phoenix (Rachel Summers). It's very different & unexpected considering Lilandra & most of the Shi'ar are his pet creations.
Well, he must be on an anti-Shiar tangent, since they're also the villains of the piece in X-men:The End. Since Sambit was captioned in the preview as confronting the Shi'Ar Chancellor in the next issue (whoever that Chancellor might be - isn't Araki dead now? I can't remember), Claremont appears to be continuing that train of plot-thought.

They were all perfect because it was Rachel doing the dialoge, and she didn't know them hardly at all.

If I know Claremont, he'd explain it away as having happened off-panel between scenes in this issue and the last. Plus wasn't Rachel staying a little longer than has been shown? She may have been there like a week already, considering how the basketball game between her and her grandfather seemed like part of an ongoing relationship, as opposed to "Hi, I'm your granddaughter from another reality" "Really? Okay, let's have a game of One on One." And any details she didn't experience, she could have gleaned telepathically.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

I thought it was because of her telepathy that she knew them the way they did... hence the "but for a telepath it's a lifetime..." part of her dialogue at the start.

She gets a full image of their minds, she knows them perhaps better than they know themselves.

[DDM]

Well, he must be on an anti-Shiar tangent, since they're also the villains of the piece in X-men:The End. Since Sambit was captioned in the preview as confronting the Shi'Ar Chancellor in the next issue (whoever that Chancellor might be - isn't Araki dead now? I can't remember), Claremont appears to be continuing that train of plot-thought.

Araki was killed by Lord Samedar (sp?) when Deathbird lead a coup to take over the Shi'ar throne from Lilandra with the help of the Brood in Uncanny X-Men #155-157.

[G. Wayne]

I am loving Bachalo's art still.


Oh I'm a huge fan of Bachalo circa Ghost Rider 2099, Sandman/Death, Generation X and the like. It's just that I think the experimenting he's done recently hasn't come across so well. His action scenes are insanely difficult to follow sometimes.

As far as the Shi'ar, I'll take a dramatic story like this anytime. It was perfect. I thought they played very well into all of this.

I'm just not a big fan of the Shi'ar. Or, well...a fan of them at all, really.

[The Fury]

Chris Claremont is writing the entire Shi'ar as villains with Lilandra leading the cause against Phoenix (Rachel Summers). It's very different & unexpected considering Lilandra & most of the Shi'ar are his pet creations.
My initial reaction to this thing where the Shi'Ar were removing the Grey DNA was/is kind of related to Endsong...in that the Shi'Ar try to destory Phoenix (stupidly), they failed...so instead, they pick another way of removing the imeediate threat of another Dark Phoenix...removing of Grey DNA.

[milly3cat]

Why is storm on the cover when she has left the book, 2 issues ago ???

[Daithi]

Why is storm on the cover when she has left the book, 2 issues ago ???

According to Claremont on X-Fan, the cover was a generic team shot that CB did when he came on board Uncanny. However because CB did some HoM issues or covers and was fairly busy they used that team shot as the cover. A pity because I would have liked three Ray covers in a row.

[Rubicant]

Araki was killed by Lord Samedar (sp?) when Deathbird lead a coup to take over the Shi'ar throne from Lilandra with the help of the Brood in Uncanny X-Men #155-157.

However in New X-Men #133, Chancellor Araki returned to tell Xavier that his "marriage" to Majestrix Lilandra was annuled because of the Cassandra Nova incident and Jean's continued hosting of the Phoenix, which the Shi'ar believed would wipe out humanity. His continued appearance after being killed in the issues cited by DDM is explained by the same cloning process that was used on Xavier. Araki is actually the sixth copy, not counting the Skrull impersonator in Operation: Galactic Storm.

[Twigglet]

Is anyone else getting fed up with comics being so quick to read.

I mean I picked this book up, and it was over in 24 seconds! I demand more bang for my buck!

:D

[Daithi]

His continued appearance after being killed in the issues cited by DDM is explained by the same cloning process that was used on Xavier. Araki is actually the sixth copy, not counting the Skrull impersonator in Operation: Galactic Storm.

Oh, he's like Weyoun in Star Trek : Deep Space Nine. Cool.

[milly3cat]

Is anyone else getting fed up with comics being so quick to read.

I mean I picked this book up, and it was over in 24 seconds! I demand more bang for my buck!

:D

They need to be open minded when doing the book. Like have some pages with lots of panels and writting, and other pages with three panels and three lines. :confused: .

The lack of narration and thought bubbles hurts the story too. The writers say that it is more mature that way, but I don't think so.