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12-14-2005, 04:56 PM

Yes, finally. SECRET WAR #5 by Bendis and Dell'Otto.

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So this issue gives us the resolution to both fights. The one a year ago in Latveria and the one now in New York. We get the explanation for the memory loss, we get an explanation for the new costumes, we get an explanation for why Fury is done with SHIELD, we get an explanation for why SHIELD is so anti-costume lately, and we get more details on 'lil miss Hyde.

If this had come out on time, I'd be perfectly happy with it. But it didn't so . . . yeah. Kind of a letdown.

I'd recommend the hardcover, though. It's a decent story, Bendis's text pieces are a hoot, and Dell'Otto's art is going to look better in oversized format.

Anyone else give in and pick this up?

Jake V

12-14-2005, 04:59 PM

I really liked it. Haven't had a chance to read the text pieces yet, but the art is pretty incredible, and I liked the explanation for no one knowing where Fury went off to.

Jagernaut

12-14-2005, 05:46 PM

So is the Fury that seems to be running around the MU now a decoy?

Spiderchick1974

12-14-2005, 08:13 PM

Could someone give me the 411 about Secret War?
I have heard bits and pieces, but never paid attention...What is it about?
Was there some sort of delay or something?
Etc etc
Thanks a lot!

Expletive Deleted

12-14-2005, 08:21 PM

Could someone give me the 411 about Secret War?
I have heard bits and pieces, but never paid attention...What is it about?The government finds out that the Tinkerer, the guy who develops weapons for low rent supervillains, is really working for a Latverian (post-Doom) terrorist group. They decline to pursue it, so Fury recruits a bunch of superheroes and invades Latveria against government orders. He then mindwipes all the heroes except Captain America and sends them on their way. One year later, they're all attacked by tech-based villains and they don't know why. There's a huge battle, everyone's pissed at Fury, and it ends with someone else taking control of SHIELD.

It's more complicated, but that's the nutshell.
Was there some sort of delay or something?Something like that. It was originally supposed to be a quarterly. I think it ended up being a biannual.

Jake V

12-14-2005, 08:25 PM

Could someone give me the 411 about Secret War?
I have heard bits and pieces, but never paid attention...What is it about?
Was there some sort of delay or something?
Etc etc
Thanks a lot!
The story was about how one year ago (marvel time) Nick Fury called together some superheroes (Cap, Spidey, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Black Widow, and Daredevil) to infiltrate the capitol of Latveria and bring down the government because they were a potential terrorist threat (something about supplying weapons to supervillains). They inadvertantly leveled the whole city, so Fury made sure that all of the heroes had their memories altered after it was all over. Of course, this comes back to bite them in the ass, because the president of Latveria (not Doom) survived the attack, and provided even more tech to supervillains along with orders to target the superheroes involved (except they don't remember the mission, so they have no idea why people are attacking them). This all culminates in a big battle in NYC with supervillains versus superheroes and then the all cyborged-up former latverian president takes control of the supervillain tech to make a bomb. Of course, this is prevented at the last second by a new SHIELD recruit, Daisy Johnson, the daughter of Mr Hyde, who controls seismic waves or something. Once the heroes find out what Fury did to them, Wolverine freaks out and guts Fury. Except it isn't Fury, it's an LDM, and Fury isn't anywhere anyone can find him at because after the Latveria thing, he's considered a war criminal.

The series basically explains why Fury isn't running SHIELD in New Avengers, and shows how SHIELD is currently rotten under the current leadership.

It featured painted art by Gabriele Dell'Otto that really looks quite good. Only problem is that he is REALLY slow, and while the series was solicited as a quarterly, each issue came out even later than the last one. Not Kevin Smith late, but late either way.

Spiderchick1974

12-14-2005, 08:35 PM

Wow, Jake...I REALLY appreciate your taking time to type all that...thanks so much for the info and Happy Holidays!

overcomebyfumes

12-14-2005, 09:39 PM

The series basically explains why Fury isn't running SHIELD in New Avengers, and shows how SHIELD is currently rotten under the current leadership.

Now, can someone explain to me why Nick Fury IS running SHIELD in the Wolverine "Enemy of the State" arc?

What will it finally take to get Marvels editors to actually do their jobs?!?!?!?!?!

Expletive Deleted

12-14-2005, 10:31 PM

Now, can someone explain to me why Nick Fury IS running SHIELD in the Wolverine "Enemy of the State" arc?It takes place before SECRET WAR, I'd assume.

BizarroBeachHead

12-14-2005, 10:40 PM

So what about the Nick Fury currently in Hulk? Is he acting as the head of SHEILD or is he acting alone? I havn't read the issue I just saw that he was in it.

tjarvis

12-14-2005, 10:56 PM

Kevinroc

12-14-2005, 11:24 PM

It's not just Way. Robert Kirkman has used Fury quite a bit in Marvel Team-Up. And JMS used Fury in Fantastic Four. And I'm sure there are a few other examples out there.

hbkabdul

12-14-2005, 11:46 PM

Picked up the book and thought it was ok. I havent gone back and looked but a lot of the scenes in the book look like reused and recolored art from previous issues. I could be wrong though. Fury spilling his guts to everyone at the end was a high point but otherwise its remiss of any real action. Liked the idea of Daisy popping Wolverine from the inside out though.

Uncensored

12-15-2005, 12:00 AM

Fury recruits a bunch of superheroes and invades Latveria against government orders. He then mindwipes all the heroes except Captain America and sends them on their way.

Has Fury been talking to the JLA?

boolean

12-15-2005, 12:44 AM

Now that Wolverine remembers everything, will he build a spy satellite to spy on the rest of the super-heroes?

thik_3rd

12-15-2005, 03:25 AM

this sucked. the art did too...it was too murky to see what was going on half of the time.

Will.S

12-15-2005, 09:53 AM

So what about the Nick Fury currently in Hulk? Is he acting as the head of SHEILD or is he acting alone? I havn't read the issue I just saw that he was in it.
It seems like that particular Nick Fury is a Hydra agent impersonating him.

I think Marvel is really screwy with the whole Nick Fury thing (it's Daniel Way who seems to keep using him actually), but I have hopes that they'll eventually sort the whole story out. Considering what Fury did to some of these heroes though, I can't see them ever working with him the same way again.

It definitely wouldn't be in Captain America's and Wolverine's character to do so. Which makes me wonder how Brubaker is going to sort out this whole Fury thing, since Nick is part of the supporting cast in Cap's book.

Yeah, it is a mess. It'll be a cool story if the rest of the Marvel Universe can get on the same page though.
Yeah I dunno how Brubaker will explain that whole thing but I'm assuming that Captain America takes place a few months before Secret War since just looking at Nick's current status quo that would be his last recorded appearance.

As for the appearances Kevinroc mentioned, those are harder to explain other than the editor's not filling in other writers in on Bendis's plans. They could retcon the FF and MTU appearances as life model decoy's as well just to make it look like he would still be around I guess but MTU is supposedly set within the NA timeframe.

Secret War #5 itself was pretty enjoyable but I was somewhat let down by Bendis's reasoning for Nick to do what he did. Since it looks like Nick has never went this far (as far as innocent casualties go) with the destruction of Latveria, this would be something of a landmark issue for the character if people want to know his status after SW but I don't know why he had Daisy destroy the entire city if Doom castle was the most important piece of evidence.

Also even with the superhero brainwashing, the terrorist threat was inevitable since they fought in NY later that year so it was somewhat pointless to do that to the heroes when they could have just kept tabs on them with their S.H.I.E.L.D. satellites. One thing is for sure, Dr. Doom will have some choice words with Nick for having this Secret War ravage his home turf. BTW, not that it's at all surprising but didn't Spider-Man recently visit Latveria to gain access to that time machine in The Other? How are there still living people there and how is Doom's castle intact? S.H.I.E.L.D. post Secret War covered it up once again?

The book sorta leaves more questions than answers but some of them are good enough to explore later such as what Nick told Daisy in the last page, S.H.I.E.L.D.'s future, where the newly teched up villains went, Lucia Von Bardas's return and so on.

Dell'Otto's art is absolutely stunning. Great textures, awesome use of light sources (look at Human Torch) and a very epic, gritty and realistic look to everything. There are some problems though like the murkyness of the art and the over-use of Daisy's Angelina Jolie face. He also made this odd design chocie of giving Beast some metal shoulder pads but *shrug*.

Overall it could have had alot more impact had the book been finished before New Avengers but it loses a fair amount of it due to it's lateness. Other than that, its definitely an important mini to read due to so much going on and the cool interviews at the end which give more insight to the criminals and S.H.I.E.L.D.'s operating methods. It also sets forth the whole corrupted S.H.I.E.L.D. concept which is seen in New Avengers among other titles.

I'd give the issue a 8/10 with the series as a whole also getting 8/10.

Lord S

12-15-2005, 10:09 AM

Yeah I bought it...only cause I had the other four. Skimmed through it, nice art...blah, blah, blah. Dell'Otto seems a little lazy, though...using some of the same shots over and over again. Kind of cheap, IMO.

What a waste of time.

rexcase

12-15-2005, 11:13 AM

the Nick Fury that we're seeing so frequently could VERY easily be an LMD. think, if the current SHIELD regime is corrupt, they would need to a face the heroes trusted in order to communicate with them. Secret War showed us that the new LMD's are indistiguishable from the real thing, so that even Wolvie couldn't tell (or maybe he could, and just wanted to cut up an android).

Nate Palm

12-15-2005, 12:25 PM

Dell'Otto's art is absolutely stunning. Great textures, awesome use of light sources (look at Human Torch) and a very epic, gritty and realistic look to everything. There are some problems though like the murkyness of the art and the over-use of Daisy's Angelina Jolie face. He also made this odd design chocie of giving Beast some metal shoulder pads but *shrug*.

Man he used that face A LOT! ;) I guess I can't fault him, though. If he had to draw a new face all those times it probably would have added like three more months to the release date.

riotgear

12-15-2005, 03:07 PM

It seems like that the only person that knows that Fury is not with SHIELD is Bendis himself.

thik_3rd

12-15-2005, 03:29 PM

It seems like that the only person that knows that Fury is not with SHIELD is Bendis himself.
that's why it was a secret.

Doom Hammer

12-15-2005, 03:44 PM

Worth the cover price for the art alone.

Karl J. Barnes

12-15-2005, 03:48 PM

Has Fury been talking to the JLA?

Who do you think gave the JLA the idea! Fury has always been ahead of the curve, when it comes to doing nasty things to friends and foes.

All I can say for this final issue is: GLAD THAT IT IS OVER WITH! I don't know why I kept up with this series, since I normally drop delayed comics. I wonder, when ol Nick will pop up again?

Nick Kal

12-15-2005, 04:20 PM

Jagernaut

12-15-2005, 04:23 PM

I'm thinking Captain America has to be taking place before SW for obvious reasons.. but where is SW placed then? Before NA... it has to be... so where do Cap & NA fit in? How about HoM? I'm confused...
My best guess would be...

FF issues were Doom goes bye bye
Fury and Co invade Latveria
Disassembled
Captain America 1-12
Luke Cage goes BOOM! + hyjinks at the pier
New Avengers Breakout

And I do not believe that any of the Fury's that appeared recently have been LMDs. Just alternate versions of Fury from the past.

Nick Kal

12-15-2005, 04:30 PM

Jake V

12-15-2005, 04:47 PM

Cap America can't be taking place before NA Breakout.. cause there was a HoM tie-in @ #10... and NA is getting to HoM @ #17ish? I am really confusing myself... someone (a.k.a. DDM) wanna figure this out?
Cap #10 took place during HoM, but every other issue (#1-the current issue) takes place before New Avengers #1 yet after disassembled.

Nick Kal

12-15-2005, 04:50 PM

Cap #10 took place during HoM, but every other issue (#1-the current issue) takes place before New Avengers #1 yet after disassembled.

Okay, I was thinking #10 might be out of sequence... but where is it stated that Cap is before NA.. I believe you... I just want some back up on that.

Young Avenger

12-15-2005, 05:05 PM

BTW, not that it's at all surprising but didn't Spider-Man recently visit Latveria to gain access to that time machine in The Other? How are there still living people there and how is Doom's castle intact? S.H.I.E.L.D. post Secret War covered it up once again?

That issue of Spider-Man was written by Hudlin. Hudlin is the king of continuity errors.

Jake V

12-15-2005, 05:13 PM

Okay, I was thinking #10 might be out of sequence... but where is it stated that Cap is before NA.. I believe you... I just want some back up on that.
It's more implied than anything. Cap is living somewhere other than Avengers tower, he's going on missions for Fury, there aren't any Avengers, etc.

Sabrinaset

12-15-2005, 05:17 PM

When it comes to the new Secret Wars, all I can say is it reminds me of a saying my Grandfather had, that the answer was so long in coming, that I've forgotten the question.

Nick Kal

12-15-2005, 05:28 PM

It's more implied than anything. Cap is living somewhere other than Avengers tower, he's going on missions for Fury, there aren't any Avengers, etc.

Ah, true. Thanks.

ocelotrevs

12-16-2005, 02:21 AM

Yeah, this was finally out I just finishing reading it. It was good, but it would've been far more satisiying if it was out on time. But which time was that? It's been so long I've kinda forgotten. People shouldn't start multiple projects at once when they haven't finished a previous one which connects things together.
I was in Comicana yesterday, and this guy wasn't even gonna bother buying it he was that pissed off with it. And rightly so. I would get the hardcover if I didn't get all the previous issues before this. How long has it been anyway. But...

I'm glad it tied up all the loose ends and links everything up with the whole anti superhero thing going on at the moment.
All in all, this was a pretty good issue in truth. Dell'Otto's art was just amazing as always. Just pissed about the lateness.

Cayman

12-16-2005, 12:32 PM

It was cool, but I'd sort of forgotten what the previous issues were about. It'll be fun to read all together. It's a neat change of status quo for Fury, and I'm excited to see where they go with it.

Cay

Alan2099

12-16-2005, 02:09 PM

Honestly, it wouldn't suprise me to see the Fury here revealed to be an LMD. it's a lot easier to say a messed up Fury did that than say every other apperance of Fury has been a mistake.

Core

12-17-2005, 12:08 PM

It was cool, but I'd sort of forgotten what the previous issues were about. It'll be fun to read all together.

I just finished re-reading issues 1-4 before reading issue 5, and I really get the impression that Bendis re-wrote the ending of the story because of the delays on the book. It seems like the first 3 (possibly 4) issues were building up to something other than installing a new head of SHIELD, but that impression on my part could be due to my distaste for the use of flashback narration in a final issue of a series to tell us why it all mattered.

That said, I like the way that Bendis tied the series to the idea of oil/tech barons and unilateral action against a government. Timely, as ever.

And yeah...the art...sweet Moses...the art!

streator

12-17-2005, 12:11 PM

i didn't read this series. interesting to hear about fury. any release date yet for a tpb?

Doom Hammer

12-17-2005, 02:43 PM

i didn't read this series. interesting to hear about fury. any release date yet for a tpb?

I'm not sure when, but they're releasing a kickass HC in the near future...February, I think?

Will.S

12-17-2005, 03:52 PM

sherlockbones

12-17-2005, 09:55 PM

huuh?

why is EVERYBODY wondering when SW happened?
at the end of the book u find a briefing dialog which was recorded right after SW
it says:4/15/2007

i was surprised because i guess current mu time is approximatly real world present time and it is odd placing a book relativly far into the future, but it d explain alot of questions in ths thread (a la fury in cap):
marvel bought some time

Alan2099

12-17-2005, 10:07 PM

That doesn't work either, because Bendis has been treating Secret War as backstroy for what's going on in New Avengers.

sherlockbones

12-17-2005, 10:19 PM

That doesn't work either, because Bendis has been treating Secret War as backstroy for what's going on in New Avengers.

mhhh weird
maybe NA (or even all of 616) is taking place in 2007? ;)

who knows what time it is in 616?

bat2supe

12-19-2005, 06:51 AM

I guess the 2007 transcript is supposed to hint readers that all this crap happen in the near future & will be used in future issues but it doesn't work too 'cause the Shield new heads appears in New Avengers.

A mess that's all it's supposed to be.

Shellhead

12-19-2005, 07:13 AM

That doesn't work either, because Bendis has been treating Secret War as backstroy for what's going on in New Avengers.

This is what happens when your editors don't do their jobs.

Doom Hammer

12-19-2005, 07:18 AM

Each book contains a good deal of extras which will no doubt be used in the HC so I wonder what else they can put in there?

I guess they can put Gabrielle's tech villains, Bendis's pitch and some script stuff. Being oversized also definitel helps the art look better.

Yeah, like Bendis even has to pitch stuff anymore. :rolleyes:

"Listen, I have an idea for a--"

"Yep."

"But don't you even want to hear--"

"Nope."

Uncensored

12-19-2005, 07:30 AM

I didn't buy any of the issues, but I'm thinking of picking up the trade next year. Is it worth it? I like some of Bendis' stuff (Alias, Daredevil, early New Avengers).

SpartanX

12-19-2005, 07:31 AM

i know a book that would outsell every single comic book out. An explanation of the current MU continuity. Written by Hudlin (nightmarish....) and drawn by Frank Quitely....

*pukes in keyboard*

sherlockbones

12-19-2005, 07:32 AM

i was surprised because i guess current mu time is approximatly real world present time and it is odd placing a book relativly far into the future, but it d explain alot of questions in ths thread (a la fury in cap):
marvel bought some time

actually i still thing it is an elegant move from marvel to place the book into the future. despite everything that will happen in the mean time, they can come up with a "smart" move to negate the story or bend(is) it fitting.

on the other hand it makes the whole story completly expandable and shrinks it down to "what if" importance level.

but who cares about credebility anyway ^^

sherlockbones

12-19-2005, 07:36 AM

oh and did anyone notice wolverine being on his feet 1 minute after his heart exploded? since when is regrowing organs faster then deadpool?
maybe he learned some tricks over at MKSM from MJ :rolleyes:

Uncensored

12-19-2005, 07:42 AM

i know a book that would outsell every single comic book out. An explanation of the current MU continuity. Written by Hudlin (nightmarish....) and drawn by Frank Quitely....

*pukes in keyboard*

haha

Though I don't see what's wrong with Frank Quitely.

Arrjay

12-19-2005, 08:17 AM

I bought all of the Secret War books and I have to agree with everyone that said that the books impact was lessened due to the extreme waiting game. Overall I think it's a pretty good story I'm just struggling to fit it in with the other stuff I'm reading. I guess I'l figure it out eventually.

And yeah. There's a huge chance this Nick Fury will turn out to be an LMD.
:rolleyes:

Core

12-19-2005, 11:23 AM

I wish Daredevil had had a more prominent role. He was basically unused in this tale.

He wasn't the only one. Bendis and DelOtto created a whole new character, Daisy Johnson, and only used her enigmatically in issue #2 and as a deus ex machina in issue #5.

The Fury

12-20-2005, 06:48 AM

A few things.

1) Great book.
2) The delay hurt it.
3) The delay might have been on purpose...in a sense indicating that Nick fury has been on the run for a year (even though he was seen in Cap A recently and that didn't happen a year ago).
4) B-E-A-Utiful art.

5) Wolverine should be dead.

Alan2099

12-20-2005, 08:06 AM

Yeah, like Bendis even has to pitch stuff anymore. :rolleyes:

"Listen, I have an idea for a--"

"Yep."

"But don't you even want to hear--"

"Nope."

Next Months Solicitation

ADVENTURES OF BROTHER VOODOO AND SUPERPRO #1 (or 73)

Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Pencils & Cover by Some Fool named Grady

It's sitting there and doing nothing but talking in the mighty Bendis tradition! How will the two heroes with nothing alike handle having to share a laundry mat? Plus in this issue, somebody kills Hawkeye!

Guest stars Cage, Jessica Jones, Spider-Woman, Daredevil, and Wolverine!
93 PGS./RATED A ...$14.50

ocelotrevs

12-20-2005, 08:08 AM

A few things.

...
5) Wolverine should be dead.

How come, I thought him recovering from that sort of attack was basic for him?

The Mirrorball Man

12-20-2005, 08:09 AM

"Secret War"? Feh! I'm waiting for "Victoria's Secret War"!

streator

12-20-2005, 08:57 AM

I'm not sure when, but they're releasing a kickass HC in the near future...February, I think?
thanks. maybe i'll try and get the back issues or check out the hardcover. sounds like a decent story.

The Fury

12-20-2005, 09:06 AM

How come, I thought him recovering from that sort of attack was basic for him?
A cut...sure.

A pulled muscle...yep.

And snapped tendon...I guess.

His heart Exploding...I doubt it.

ocelotrevs

12-20-2005, 09:13 AM

A cut...sure.

A pulled muscle...yep.

And snapped tendon...I guess.

His heart Exploding...I doubt it.

But didn't he recover from his arm being melted off. (PIS maybe)
And he's come back from the dead before in his series.
BUt the stuff you mention is basic and not even noticeable for his healing factor. He cuts himself everytime he skints.

The Fury

12-20-2005, 09:24 AM

But didn't he recover from his arm being melted off. (PIS maybe)
And he's come back from the dead before in his series.
BUt the stuff you mention is basic and not even noticeable for his healing factor. He cuts himself everytime he skints.
He has a healing factor, in order for the body to heal, it needs blood to be pumped to a wound so that nutrient, whiteblood cells, Plasma...whatever can heal it...His heart is also needed to him to get oxygen round his body...without oxygen he will die.

His Heart Exploding is no small deal. It's the 2nd most inportant organ in the human body. It's working are precise and even one fault ina heart can cause trouble for a normal person. The normal human body has a hard time rebuilding even the simplest of faults to a heart.

Also, we can't really tell if his heart was destroyed in the process, Wolverine has a healing factor but not regeneration. If he loses an organ his body won't rebuild it. I didn't liek that whole arm melting off thing, although as his skeleton remained it makes sense that the muxcle tissue and skin was rebuild from the rest of his body.

ocelotrevs

12-20-2005, 05:14 PM

Will.S

12-20-2005, 05:52 PM

He has a healing factor, in order for the body to heal, it needs blood to be pumped to a wound so that nutrient, whiteblood cells, Plasma...whatever can heal it...His heart is also needed to him to get oxygen round his body...without oxygen he will die.

His Heart Exploding is no small deal. It's the 2nd most inportant organ in the human body. It's working are precise and even one fault ina heart can cause trouble for a normal person. The normal human body has a hard time rebuilding even the simplest of faults to a heart.

Also, we can't really tell if his heart was destroyed in the process, Wolverine has a healing factor but not regeneration. If he loses an organ his body won't rebuild it. I didn't liek that whole arm melting off thing, although as his skeleton remained it makes sense that the muxcle tissue and skin was rebuild from the rest of his body.
Wolverine can regenerate/repair organ tissue as long as some of it is still intact or there's enough genetic information to rebuild it. He fought Wendigo a few times I and remember an issue where Wendigo takes a good swipe at Logan's organs and he literally holds them inside with his hands to prevent them from spilling out until his healing factor repaired the damage. He also lost an eye which grew back (which is odd I know) but it's canon. So basically I would say that he has low to mid level regeneration since he never has any type of visible scarring which humans show even after healing wounds.

Anyway his healing factor seems to work outside anything known to biological science so I think it's best not to think too much of it.

Arrjay

12-20-2005, 05:56 PM

Anyway his healing factor seems to work outside anything known to biological science so I think it's best not to think too much of it.

Unless, of course, you're looking to invest in a class A brain tumor.

The Fury

12-21-2005, 03:00 AM

Wolverine can regenerate/repair organ tissue as long as some of it is still intact or there's enough genetic information to rebuild it. He fought Wendigo a few times I and remember an issue where Wendigo takes a good swipe at Logan's organs and he literally holds them inside with his hands to prevent them from spilling out until his healing factor repaired the damage. He also lost an eye which grew back (which is odd I know) but it's canon. So basically I would say that he has low to mid level regeneration since he never has any type of visible scarring which humans show even after healing wounds.

Anyway his healing factor seems to work outside anything known to biological science so I think it's best not to think too much of it.
This is what I find odd...it think that given time his healing factor would be able to rebuild his heart. I accept that. And you raise good points on when he has has injuries that he healed from. The digestive system one, I'd think was just a case that as long as he got them back in he'd be fine. The organs were not damaged or competely removed from the body. The Eye things is stupid, he loses and eye, it's gone. There is nothing left to heal.

But his heart isn't some organ he can put back. It expoded, its in pieces then in his chest his blood can start to heal it...but then there is only a very very very limited amount of blood, the heart is no longer pumping new fresh blood to the wound to heal it. The heart is also no longer pumping oxygen round his body for the blood to heal properly. He is no longer getting oxygen to his brain either. I've always taken his healing factor to be the exact same thing as human healing except, it is far superior to it.

Take th bone example, if he loses a bone, it won't grow back, his skin and flesh would heal right over it.

But I guess I have to accept the survived. His healing factor must heal his heart quick enough so he does not die from lack of oxygen.

I'm obsessive about this. :D

sherlockbones

12-21-2005, 04:08 AM

i can live with him surving this what makes me mad is
THAT HE WAS ON HIS LEGS AGAIN AFTER 2 SECONDS

again MJ healed a broken arm after a day, marvel is really sloppy latly

Stephane Garrelie

12-21-2005, 05:25 AM

I'm happy to have dropped this book after issue 3. :rolleyes:

Will.S

12-21-2005, 05:25 PM

But I guess I have to accept the survived. His healing factor must heal his heart quick enough so he does not die from lack of oxygen.

I'm obsessive about this. :D
Well hey, you no-prized it ;)

Loestal

12-21-2005, 06:03 PM

Well hey, you no-prized it ;)

It's Marvelogy guys, by the books.

streator

12-21-2005, 06:36 PM

wasn't there a claremont uncanny x-men annual where wolverine regenerated just from a drop of his own blood?

sherlockbones

12-21-2005, 07:44 PM

wasn't there a claremont uncanny x-men annual where wolverine regenerated just from a drop of his own blood?

it´s the infamous magic overpowered regeneration...

Alan2099

12-21-2005, 07:45 PM

wasn't there a claremont uncanny x-men annual where wolverine regenerated just from a drop of his own blood?
Yes, but he had cosmic powers at the time.

streator

12-22-2005, 09:19 AM

Yes, but he had cosmic powers at the time.
ah, okay. thanks alan.

Uncensored

12-22-2005, 09:34 AM

I didn't buy any of the issues, but I'm thinking of picking up the trade next year. Is it worth it? I like some of Bendis' stuff (Alias, Daredevil, early New Avengers).

I'm quoting myself since my post was ignored.

xmanson

12-22-2005, 09:49 AM

I'm quoting myself since my post was ignored.

The art is impressive.... the story? Meh.

Doom Hammer

12-22-2005, 02:03 PM

Daisy didn't look too much like Angelina Jolie in Hackers, now did she? ;)

jackolover

06-08-2008, 08:41 PM

Even in Secret War #5 Jessica Drew is mentioned as being the SHIELD liason on Raft, so the Queen Skrull has been around a long time now.

Taken a little further, the Secret War Files have a mention of a Unknown female talking to agents about the metas on the flight to Latveria, and this conversation was filed under rogue agents. the Black Widow of the Savage Land Rogue agents maybe?

And a little latter, there is this curious reference that the Countess Valentina Fontaine had a conversation with Captain America, where Cap tells her that Jessica Jones is pregnant. Not long after, Contessa asks for a level 10 phone link to Jessica Drew on the Raft, so that they can't be overheard.

I think the Contessa and Drew were Skrulls for a long time according to Bendis in the Secret War story, they both could have conspired to kidnap Jessica and and the baby, and the blond Black Widow was working for Skrulls way back then too.

jackolover

06-10-2012, 05:06 AM

I think Marvel is really screwy with the whole Nick Fury thing (it's Daniel Way who seems to keep using him actually), but I have hopes that they'll eventually sort the whole story out. Considering what Fury did to some of these heroes though, I can't see them ever working with him the same way again.

It definitely wouldn't be in Captain America's and Wolverine's character to do so. Which makes me wonder how Brubaker is going to sort out this whole Fury thing, since Nick is part of the supporting cast in Cap's book.

It was a very good moment when Cap and Fury finally buried the hatchet, and Cap gave Fury a glowing testament in Secret Warriors Heroic Age. I think the Heroes would work with Fury again in modern times, but I still wonder why Fury refuses to get involved. Sure the Skrulls were an issue and so were Hydra and Leviathan, but that's all over now. So why can't Fury come out of the cold and be that person; the only person in the world who can be, the Sentry of the whole world?

I have to emphasis this point. Secret War was the beginning of the crisis that led to things like AD and CW. It set the milestone as in preparation work for how Civil War was going to run. Secret War was the first serious story to address a state of mind that ostracized Super Heroes, showing them as criminals, and the government viewing them with distasteful. To me, SW was the prelude story that set up Civil War, because it was already at war. I see SW as the book Millar fashioned his style on, to make the CW so controversial. Bendis wrote SW like a Frontline story, taking the slow everyday events of super heroes and stretching them out to excruciating minute detail, in the style that the New Avengers was later written as. When I think of what led up to CW, SW stands out as the theme and style that sets the road for that kind of story. It was speckled with SHIELD Intelligencia, files, and recorded conversations, because it was a degradation of super heroes, framed in a SHIELD story, that was the demise of it's father, (Nick Fury). I can't stress more fully how important this story was to the framing of Civil War, because it was the template for the tension that led to Stark and Rogers being unable to find common ground.One thing led to another. Fury led to Maria Hill; Maria Hill led to Starks psychosis; Starks psychosis led to the clash with Captain America. Fury poisoning led to Stark poisoning.