Who does Jean Grey respect more?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Xavier or Magneto? Of course the answer would seem to be obvious after the revelations in X-Men #53 where Jean learned how much a man who was like her father wanted to LOVE HER in far different ways than she expected..do you think that her respect level for him changed? And exactly HOW MUCH does Jean respect Magneto? In her final issue in New X-Men #150, after verbally tearing a man down she thought was Magneto, she seemed very affectionate in wanting to help him instead of fighting him. So..in the end, who did Jean respect more?

[Flight]

In the end one of them gave her a heart attack and killed her, the other didn't.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

In the end one of them gave her a heart attack and killed her, the other didn't.

Xorneto. Not the real thing. Before that moment...where was her head at in respects to both men?

[Dizzy D]

The man who brought her out of a coma, introduced her to one of the loves in her life and gave her an education, love and every help and who had a slight crush on her that he repressed and never bothered her with.

vs.

The guy who tried to kill her since she was sixteen (with some rest pauzes between, but she tended to be death or otherwise occupied at those moments).


Let me think... Do I still have my three lifelines?

[Flight]

Before that moment...where was her head at in respects to both men? Still firmly on her shoulders.

[generalbradicus]

Xorneto. Not the real thing. Before that moment...where was her head at in respects to both men?

Who says that wasn't the real Magneto and the one in Excalibur and House Of M wasn't created by Wanda as hinted in HoM #7?

Anyhoo just because Charles loved Jean more than a daughter doesn't mean he EVER acted on it. You can't blame someone for feelings and Xavier is a good man and older men are always atracted to younger women. Like Archangel and Husk. And I remeber Magneto had some younger lovers.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Who says that wasn't the real Magneto and the one in Excalibur and House Of M wasn't created by Wanda as hinted in HoM #7?

Anyhoo just because Charles loved Jean more than a daughter doesn't mean he EVER acted on it. You can't blame someone for feelings and Xavier is a good man and older men are always atracted to younger women. Like Archangel and Husk. And I remeber Magneto had some younger lovers.

The Marvel Handbook says so..the official wrap up of the Xorneto debacle. And yes..Magneto and Rogue were VERY drawn to each other but it was Rogue who pushed it for so long. It would of been interesting if you she would of left the X-Men and became Magnus' partner. A pity. She's now a former shell of her "Magneto desiring" days.

As for Xavier and Jean? It wasn't about him liking someone younger. She was a kid. Not even 18, I believe. Yet there he was..smoking a cigar and looking at Jean like the juicest steak Wolfgang Puck has ever conjured up to feast on.

[Hi-Fi]

Still firmly on her shoulders.

hihihihi

you're on a roll today, aren't you? :)

[Joe Rice]

Seeing as though Jean was an idiot nasty slut, I think there might be a case for her respecting Magneto. She was probably turned on by his evil, racist attitudes.

[streator]

xavier, because magneto sucks and is the worst character ever created by anyone ever able to create anything ever. (ever?)

and no, i'm not using an emoticon.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

xavier, because magneto sucks and is the worst character ever created by anyone ever able to create anything ever. (ever?)

and no, i'm not using an emoticon.

If not for Magneto, the X-Men would of been the way of the New Warriors YEARS ago. Let's get back to reality..quick. :evilsmile

[generalbradicus]

The Marvel Handbook says so..the official wrap up of the Xorneto debacle. And yes..Magneto and Rogue were VERY drawn to each other but it was Rogue who pushed it for so long. It would of been interesting if you she would of left the X-Men and became Magnus' partner.


Since House of M came out around before the Handbook I feel that the Handbooks can be wrong due to plot devolopements and changes. hell Bucky is alive after being once pronounced dead.

Are you talking about Joseph? Joseph was a clone of Magneto and that is the only other man ither than Gambit that Rogue had feelings for except for Magneto and Rogue in the AoA.

As for Xavier we always knew he was flawed. I bet you have stared at a woman that was far younger than you. Even Magneto used a cuckoo sister for his own purposes and she was no older than Jean at the time Xavier had feelings for her. But when it came down to it Xavier IS the good guy. To do the right thing is what seperates him from Magneto. Magneto is a megalomaniac at heart and always shared the same similarities such as Hitler.

[The Fury]

Jean grey has more respect for Xavier.

Why would she ever have more respect for Magneto...ever? :confused:

So what if Xavier was attracted to her, she is hot after all.

But in the end it was XAvier that helped her control her powers. Not Magneto the murdering terrorist.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Joseph was a clone of Magneto and that is the only other man ither than Gambit that Rogue had feelings for except for Magneto and Rogue in the AoA.

Not quite. She got pretty close to the real Magneto in the Savage Land that time, shortly before the whole return of the Shadow King storyline in the 90s.

[Jake V]

Xavier, obviously. One found her as a kid and helped her control her powers so she could be as powerful as she became, trained her in how to be a superhero, gave her a cause worth fighting for, introduced her to her future husband, entrusted her with his school and family home, and acted as a father figure for most of her life.

... the other guy has been a murdering terrorist extremist twat for 90% of the time she knew him.

Not that hard to figure out.

[generalbradicus]

Not quite. She got pretty close to the real Magneto in the Savage Land that time, shortly before the whole return of the Shadow King storyline in the 90s.

I havent read Early and mid Uncanny 200s. I didn't know that. Essentials has filled me in on the 100s and they only go to 200 so im waiting for more Vol. Did Anyone else like joseph?

[tjarvis]

In one of the Onslaught epilogue issues, Lobdell does a nice job of showing a heart to heart between Jean and Xavier that shows the love and respect for each other was still there, no matter what revelation was given about Xavier's interests.

Also, Morrison did a nice job of reinforcing the connection that Xavier and Jean shared with each other.

Magneto is nowhere near the equal of Xavier in Jean's eyes.

[DDM]

I havent read Early and mid Uncanny 200s. I didn't know that. Essentials has filled me in on the 100s and they only go to 200 so im waiting for more Vol. Did Anyone else like joseph?

Magneto saved Rogue from the Shadow King corrupted "Ms. Marvel" in Uncanny X-Men #269; furthermore, Rogue briefly got close to Magneto through Uncanny X-Men #274-275 when they fought Zaladane & her mutate horde. Rogue cried when Magneto left herself & Nick Fury & he seemingly reverted back to his villanous ways when he killed Zaladane.

[DDM]

Jean Grey views Xavier as a father figure. He helped Jean deal with her nascent telepathy by placing psionic barriers within her mind (this would come back to haunt Jean as Phoenix) while he trained Jean in the use of her telekinesis long before Xavier ever founded The School For Gifted Youngsters. In many ways, Jean is closer to Xavier than she was to her husband, Scott.

[TimGunn]

Why are these message boards so obsessed w/ Jean Grey? She died nearly 3 years ago.

[Twigglet]

Why are these message boards so obsessed w/ Jean Grey? She died nearly 3 years ago.

She'll be back

It's in her nature.

Considering she was a founding X-men, a prominent character in which many consider to be the best X-men story ever written, and constantly referred to in 40 years, I think it's perfectly understandable when people talk about her.

[jeangreydp]

Why are these message boards so obsessed w/ Jean Grey? She died nearly 3 years ago.

Because she's the best.

And for the record she respects Xavier more than any other person in existence.

[Traser]

i am going to go with neither. But Jean has seen some really dark/perverse sides of Xavier and has forgiven (like everyone else) but still. I dont think she respects Magneto and more.

I feel she only sides with Xaviers dream b/c it doesnt involve destroying all of humanity.


But Phoenix on the other hand...she's a wolf in sheep's clothing. SHe goes where the powers at!

Whether this makes any sense whatsoever is irrelevant. WHat matters is it's been said. :D

[The Fury]

Why are these message boards so obsessed w/ Jean Grey? She died nearly 3 years ago.
Actually it was 2.

And we were obssesed wiuth her a few weeks back becuase we had to be.

But we are in general because of 1 factor.

The X-men would suck without her.

[AceOfSpades]

Seeing as though Jean was an idiot nasty slut, I think there might be a case for her respecting Magneto. She was probably turned on by his evil, racist attitudes.

How is Jean any of those things listed above? :mad: Jean was one of the kindest people on the X-men. She even forgave Scott for everything that he did to her. I'm sorry, but I just don't think you are right at all

[Tre Styles]

I think that Joe was being saracastic Ace.....simmer down boy...lol...

Anyways, I believe that Jean respects Xavier more than Magneto. She has plenty of opportunities to question both of their philosophies and stances, and I believe that Jean continues to believe in the path of Xavier. :cool:

[Henry T.]

Jean Grey would do just about anything to protect Xavier.

In New 125 she told him to allow himself to die and that she would catch him. To save him she housed his entire consciousness in her mind.

She also saved Xavier in New 114 when he was about to shoot himself to keep Cassandra from hijacking his mind, in New 121 when he was trapped in the brain of Cassandra's body, and in New 133 when crazed Lilandra tried to shoot him.

In the Eve of Destruction storyline, Jean took away Frenzy's free will and totally changed her personality because she needed her to go rescue Charles.

In X-Men 53, Jean tells Onslaught that she and Xavier share secrets that no one knows about.

In a recent Astonishing issue Xavier imply's that Jean is the only one that truly knows and understands him.

Jean doesn't blindly follow Xavier though. She has stood up to him and challenged his ideas before such as in X-Men 28 over Sabretooth staying in the mansion, in X-Men (25?) where Xavier and her are tampering with Magnetos mind, and in New 115 over him having a gun.

[jadegiant77]

Seeing as though Jean was an idiot nasty slut, I think there might be a case for her respecting Magneto. She was probably turned on by his evil, racist attitudes.

Dude, do we really need that kind of language? If you don't like Jean, fine, but that's not the point of this post.

And she respected Xavier more.

[AceOfSpades]

I think that Joe was being saracastic Ace.....simmer down boy...lol...

Anyways, I believe that Jean respects Xavier more than Magneto. She has plenty of opportunities to question both of their philosophies and stances, and I believe that Jean continues to believe in the path of Xavier. :cool:


Oh........ :p I feel so smart now.

Sorry Joe :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Since House of M came out around before the Handbook I feel that the Handbooks can be wrong due to plot devolopements and changes. hell Bucky is alive after being once pronounced dead.

Are you talking about Joseph? Joseph was a clone of Magneto and that is the only other man ither than Gambit that Rogue had feelings for except for Magneto and Rogue in the AoA.

As for Xavier we always knew he was flawed. I bet you have stared at a woman that was far younger than you. Even Magneto used a cuckoo sister for his own purposes and she was no older than Jean at the time Xavier had feelings for her. But when it came down to it Xavier IS the good guy. To do the right thing is what seperates him from Magneto. Magneto is a megalomaniac at heart and always shared the same similarities such as Hitler.

The Handbook was the final say on the Xorneto matter. It's over. And I'm talking about Rogue being drawn to Magneto since their time in the Savage Land..before she even met Gambit. She wanted to be with him but he had to be true to himself and that led to disagreement. Didn't change the fact they have had a back and forth wanting for multiple stories though.

And Magneto wasn't with the girl from Planet X. Xorneto was. Two different beings.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Because she's the best.

And for the record she respects Xavier more than any other person in existence.

Respects him that much? Have you read X-Men #53 or what?

[xakko]

Respects him that much? Have you read X-Men #53 or what?
But who else would she respect? She may still love Scott, but I don't think she's got THAT much respect for him after how weak he was with Emma. Possibly Ororo, her best friend. Otherwise? I don't see anyone coming close.

[xgeek52]

:cool: :cool: *sigh* why is this even an issue...she's gonna respect xavier more because of who he is -- the man who saved her...as far as magneto is concerned there have been times where she has understood his position...but there have also been times when she thought xavier was wrong in his views of things...

it's called human nature guys... :cool:

[jeangreydp]

Respects him that much? Have you read X-Men #53 or what?

Just because he has flaws and disturbing thoughts doesn't mean she doesn't respect him. Sure she was shaken up by that incident- it threw her for a loop. But, it doesn't mean that she respects him any less.

People think gross things, weird things. As a telepath Jean is probably bombarded with these thoughts all day. It may have been a shock for her that Xavier's dirty day dreams were about her, but it doesn't mean she disrespects him for it.

Hell, I doubt there is any man in that mansion that hasn't had a dirty thought about Jean, she's used to it.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

But who else would she respect? She may still love Scott, but I don't think she's got THAT much respect for him after how weak he was with Emma. Possibly Ororo, her best friend. Otherwise? I don't see anyone coming close.

Apparently she respects him more than Magneto but she doesn't hate Magneto like say..a Cyclops or a Wolverine. Just wanted to get to the depth of the matter. After all, Charles hasn't been a saint when it comes to decision making on Jean Grey matters.

And the problem with Xavier lusting after her at that point is that he has ALWAYS seen her as a daughter(at least as projected to the reader) and there he is..wanting HER physcially. That's quite the role model, I guess. ;)

[xakko]

And the problem with Xavier lusting after her at that point is that he has ALWAYS seen her as a daughter(at least as projected to the reader) and there he is..wanting HER physcially. That's quite the role model, I guess. ;)
In the early X-men issues, it was rather clear to the reader that Xavier had not-so-fatherly thoughts about Jean. It explicitly stated that he desired her.

[Jake V]

Apparently she respects him more than Magneto but she doesn't hate Magneto like say..a Cyclops or a Wolverine. Just wanted to get to the depth of the matter. After all, Charles hasn't been a saint when it comes to decision making on Jean Grey matters.

And the problem with Xavier lusting after her at that point is that he has ALWAYS seen her as a daughter(at least as projected to the reader) and there he is..wanting HER physcially. That's quite the role model, I guess. ;)
I'm pretty sure that Stan and Jack intended Xavier to be only a few years older than the rest of the team.

[Asian Knight]

Xorneto. Not the real thing. Before that moment...where was her head at in respects to both men?


Just curious since that person posted a Magneto topic. Was that the real Magnus that was decapitated by ol' Logan? If not, then why was Logan banned from the X-Men in the first place?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I'm pretty sure that Stan and Jack intended Xavier to be only a few years older than the rest of the team.

Xavier has always been projected as at least 20 years older than the original X-Men.

And Wolverine killed Xorneto. Not Magneto. Magneto is alive and depowered in Genosha at last sight.

[Christopher O]

If not for Magneto, the X-Men would of been the way of the New Warriors YEARS ago. Let's get back to reality..quick. :evilsmile
Eh, except that Magneto was part of the book when it was sent into reprint limbo to begin with. If not for Lein Wein, Dave Cockrum, Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and the New X-Men, the X-Men would have gone the way of the New Warriors, but that's off-topic.

As for who Jean respects more, I'm going to go with the obvious choice: Charles. She was there for the early years, when Magneto was a murdering, racist bully. That whole enlightened Magneto thing happened post-Jean, and I suspect her first several impressions were more lasting than any that may have come after her death and subsequent resurrection.

[Jkid099]

Besides, X-Men #53 is part of the good ol' Onslaught storyline ... and no one, not even the X-Men, acknowledge THAT anymore. LOL

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Eh, except that Magneto was part of the book when it was sent into reprint limbo to begin with. If not for Lein Wein, Dave Cockrum, Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and the New X-Men, the X-Men would have gone the way of the New Warriors, but that's off-topic.

As for who Jean respects more, I'm going to go with the obvious choice: Charles. She was there for the early years, when Magneto was a murdering, racist bully. That whole enlightened Magneto thing happened post-Jean, and I suspect her first several impressions were more lasting than any that may have come after her death and subsequent resurrection.


The interesting thing about this "racist" in particular is that he was right about humans while Jean doing things the Xavier way led to her tragic demise. How...ironic.

[generalbradicus]

The Handbook was the final say on the Xorneto matter. It's over. And I'm talking about Rogue being drawn to Magneto since their time in the Savage Land..before she even met Gambit. She wanted to be with him but he had to be true to himself and that led to disagreement. Didn't change the fact they have had a back and forth wanting for multiple stories though.

And Magneto wasn't with the girl from Planet X. Xorneto was. Two different beings.


READ HOUSE OF M #7!!!!
Doc Strange mentions that The Magneto that destroyed NY could of been The real Magneto. House of M written after Handbook. Stop calling him Xorneto because only Magnus would put humans in a concentration camp. MAGneto is a killer at heart. Did anyone else read House of M? I thought that was a popular crossover but I must be wrong.

[The Fury]

READ HOUSE OF M #7!!!!
Doc Strange mentions that The Magneto that destroyed NY could of been The real Magneto. House of M written after Handbook. Stop calling him Xorneto because only Magnus would put humans in a concentration camp. MAGneto is a killer at heart. Did anyone else read House of M? I thought that was a popular crossover but I must be wrong.
Actually no.

Everyone is right.

The Person involved in Planet X was Xorn until Wanda shifted reality and changed him into Magneto (according to the newest Handbook), although why she would want her dad to go on a murdering rampage through NY is beyond me.

But while Wanda thought Magneto was dead, he wasn't he survived and remained on Genosha.

This is the explanation that the recent X-men Handbook gave.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

READ HOUSE OF M #7!!!!
Doc Strange mentions that The Magneto that destroyed NY could of been The real Magneto. House of M written after Handbook. Stop calling him Xorneto because only Magnus would put humans in a concentration camp. MAGneto is a killer at heart. Did anyone else read House of M? I thought that was a popular crossover but I must be wrong.

Fury got it right..as does everyone else. Look to the Handbook for the last explanation. It's over.