Brubaker on an X-Title

[Nick Kal]

Thoughts? Continuation from Thread in X-Men Forum.

As I said, it would be awesome.

[Flight]

If he comes onboard Uncanny, I just hope every issue is about characters revealing a dark secret from their pasts just like he's done in every issue he's ever wrote for every comic book.

[Nick Kal]

Thanks for your input troll.

[Jake V]

Thanks for your input troll.
Flight is joking, Nick.

Though it might be a wasted joke, cuz I don't think Beast ventures that far outside of the X-board.

[Faded]

Honestly, I'm glad to have a different writer come onboard. Claremont already has other X-Books on his plate.

[Nick Kal]

Flight is joking, Nick.

Though it might be a wasted joke, cuz I don't think Beast ventures that far outside of the X-board.

Ah, my bad,

And, yeah...

[SleepWalker]

I think it'd be pretty cool. I dunno if I'd like to see him take over Uncanny as much as I would the adjectiveless title, though.

[thik_3rd]

why did my thread in the x-men forum get deleted? just another reason why i tend not to go to that lame ass board.
anyway, this will get me to start reading uncanny again.
then they just need to get lobdell on x-men again and everything will be cool.

[Nick Kal]

why did my thread in the x-men forum get deleted? just another reason why i tend not to go to that lame ass board.
anyway, this will get me to start reading uncanny again.
then they just need to get lobdell on x-men again and everything will be cool.

There were maybe 4 threads about it there... your thread was probably a duplicate.

[Babylon23]

I'm obviously in the minority that enjoys Claremont's work on Uncanny. I don't like the idea of him being shunted off the books again.

On the other hand, I'm a big Brubaker fan, although I've enjoyed his work at DC more than I have his Marvel stuff. Don't get me wrong, I like Cap, but I preferred Gotham Central.

If Brubaker is taking over, I'll definitely check it out. I just hope Claremont retains New Excalibur, and gets other work from the x-offices.

[Titan Slade]

why did my thread in the x-men forum get deleted? just another reason why i tend not to go to that lame ass board.
anyway, this will get me to start reading uncanny again.
then they just need to get lobdell on x-men again and everything will be cool.

H<ll, the lamest part of the X-Men forums is the X-Cres crap. It is one huge azz kissing party, by a bunch of sexually confused fanboys, who don't know their elbows from their a-holes.

[thik_3rd]

H<ll, the lamest part of the X-Men forums is the X-Cres crap. It is one huge azz kissing party, by a bunch of sexually confused fanboys, who don't know their elbows from their a-holes.
word. i really want to get the first post in on the next one they start up.

[Titan Slade]

word. i really want to get the first post in on the next one they start up.

There is some good stuff going on over at x-Cres right now, thanks to your's truly :D .

[thik_3rd]

the effort is admirable, but the execution is lacking.

[Titan Slade]

the effort is admirable, but the execution is lacking.

Yeah, but I have no help over there :( .

[Brian M.]

I'd love to see that guy on an X-Title...Uncanny...not so much. Claremont shines when he has time to build steam and he's getting really good now. His HoM arc was good and the End of Greys first two issues are great. I love where it's going. Toss Brubaker on X-Men and leave Uncanny to Claremont. Or hell let Brubaker take over for Whedon when he leaves.

[jj9126]

Bring on Brubaker.

I feel bad for Chris. It's got to be slightly spirit-crushing to keep getting assigned (and then dumped) from book to book.

While I haven't enjoyed a Claremont tale (excluding the first X-Treme arc) since I was about 12 - his fan base is large enough to sustain even a second-tier X-book...put him there and leave the poor guy alone. He's earned a cushy pre-retirement slot.

In terms of the other core book: Milligan needs to work out whatever head issues are preventing him from achieving greatness. It's so sad watching someone of his talent produce something so ordinary...

[RichJohnston]

Settle down chaps, you're in Gutter territory. Take a breath, light a cigar, pour a snifter of whisky and sit back.

Now.

What were you saying?

[david r]

For all those who are overjoyed that Chris Claremont is being let go from X-Men (again) in favor of Ed Brubaker, I sincerely hope you're right.

I hope Ed does take over Uncanny X-Men. In fact, I hope Ed writes a fantastic X-Men and does wonders with the characters. I hope it becomes your favorite superhero book each month and you can't get enough.

Then suddenly, Brubaker is unceremoniously fired from the book right in mid-story. With no good explanation from Marvel. And everything you'd been enjoying about the book is flushed down the crapper to make room for "yet another revamp".

Then you might know how fans felt in 1991. And 1998. And 2000. What is the point of investing time in characters, if Marvel sees fit to halt stories in the middle, and they never reach their conclusion. Marvel has done this time and again to Chris Claremont. I guess 17 years and taking a dead book into the most succesful comic in modern history means nothing to Marvel.

And what about the revamps? Seems like every year X-Men has a new revamp. Soon there will be 6-month-revamps? 2-month revamps? How about a monthly revamp??

[Nick Kal]

Why does everyone automatically assume it's Claremont who is going.. or that anyone is going? It could be an all new title. Frankly, all we have is a rumor that he may write an ongoing.. no need to really attack other writers, or for that matter, Brubaker.

[thik_3rd]

For all those who are overjoyed that Chris Claremont is being let go from X-Men (again) in favor of Ed Brubaker, I sincerely hope you're right.

I hope Ed does take over Uncanny X-Men. In fact, I hope Ed writes a fantastic X-Men and does wonders with the characters. I hope it becomes your favorite superhero book each month and you can't get enough.

Then suddenly, Brubaker is unceremoniously fired from the book right in mid-story. With no good explanation from Marvel. And everything you'd been enjoying about the book is flushed down the crapper to make room for "yet another revamp".

Then you might know how fans felt in 1991. And 1998. And 2000. What is the point of investing time in characters, if Marvel sees fit to halt stories in the middle, and they never reach their conclusion. Marvel has done this time and again to Chris Claremont. I guess 17 years and taking a dead book into the most succesful comic in modern history means nothing to Marvel.

And what about the revamps? Seems like every year X-Men has a new revamp. Soon there will be 6-month-revamps? 2-month revamps? How about a monthly revamp??
claremont had his turn and fell off hard. i've had plenty of writers i like get pulled off books i like and i'm sure i'll have plenty more. that's the nature of the industry. i'll be a little pissed for a while, but oh well.

[Faded]

If anything, I'd have Claremont stay on Uncanny and give someone New Excalibur (a title I feel is lacking thus far). I'd rather he just have Uncanny.

[The Fury]

If anything, I'd have Claremont stay on Uncanny and give someone New Excalibur (a title I feel is lacking thus far). I'd rather he just have Uncanny.
Er...it's 2 issues in. Give it a chance.

I would like Brubaker on a an X-men title but not yet.

He is doing Cap A, and will soon be writing DD. Doing 3 high profile books is quite a lot.

Also, Claremont and Milligan have not yet finished their stories. Let them finish what they are telling, and then maybe Marvel could consider putting Brubaker on a title.

But not yet.

[Michael P]

Blah Blah whine whin emo emo I guess 17 years and taking a dead book into the most succesful comic in modern history means nothing to Marvel.

Yes, but what has he done for them *lately*?

Marvel is a business, not a charity. The only two things an editor needs to consider when evaluating a creator are (A) Are the stories he's doing for me any good, and (B) Are the stories he's doing for me selling?

[Titan76]

I would rather see Brubaker on adj. X-men rather then Uncanny because Milligan's run sucks 10 times worst then Claremont's does. Have Brubaker replace Milligan and I would buy this book again.

[Erkoban]

If Brubaker gets Uncanny I'll drop Marvel completely.
If he gets Adjectiveless, I might start to pick that title up.

Why?

I'm enjoying Uncanny at the moment. It's fun, fast, and it has a direction I want to see explored further. I like the fact that Claremont seems to be there for the long run, even when Marvel won't allow it. If Brubaker gets Uncanny I will probably lose what little enthusiasm I had left for the X-titles and Marvel in general. I bother by the endless hype and the incredibly short-term planning. As if you're dealing with a reactionary company, and thus you have no sense of consistency. What I enjoy this month might not be around next month, and in six weeks from now it might be altered yet again because there's a new flavour of the week.

Why should I stay on board if there are hardly any stories that get resolved? The thing that brought me to the medium the first time has been forgotten and gotten rid of. So why stay? Because there's still a vague sense of there being something that resembles a long term and a vague sense of consistency.

X-men I just don't care about. It's being hyped and it isn't worth the hype. It's getting injected with artificial means just to get people to read it. Look Apocalypse! Look Doop! Buy this title! It no longer sucks!

unfortunately it still does suck.

Marvel likes names better than their products, and I'm not interested in following names because they are hot and new and fresh. I don't read a title for the writer attached, but I read it because I like the stories.

[thik_3rd]

unfortunately it still does suck.

so does uncanny but your sticking up for it.

[The Fury]

so does uncanny but your sticking up for it.
He said he enjoyed it.

It's a matter of opinion.

[Callie]

I'd rather Brubaker replace the greater of the two evils. While I do not care much for Claremont's style or how he portrays certain characters, he is more consistent and a better storyteller than Milligan. Milligan does not seem to have a grasp on established characters' histories or personalities. He seems to ignore them heavily in favor of furthering along his plots.

[Blade X]

A few quick points.

1. I'm a Claremont fan. I'm enjoying his work on UXM,New Excalibur,and X-Men:The End. I don't want him to leave UXM. And, no, I don't think he's the greatest comic book writer ever. In fact, I don't think ANY comic book writer in the entire history of the comic industry is the greatest comic book writer ever.

2. I'm enjoying Milligan's run on X-Men and I don't want him to leave that book either.

3. I'm enjoying Brubaker's run on Captain America, but I have'nt read Deadly Genesis yet. Bu I would'nt have a problem with taking over one of the 3 core X-books.

4. Logic would dictate that Brubaker would be put on X-Men since it sales about 10,000 copies less then Uncanny. As of the most ecent Diamond top 300 sales chart, UXM is the best selling ongoing X-title.

5. What Marvel SHOULD do is replace CC on UXM with Brubaker. They should then put CC on X-Men and then change the title of the book to X-Men:X.S.E. and have a team comprised mainly of both popular and lesser known 2nd,3rd,and 4th string characters who the "hot" creators and the corporation (Marvel) have either ignored,forgotten about,or don't think are important or popular enough to be controlled by the editors and "hot" creators.

[david r]

Yes, but what has he done for them *lately*?

Marvel is a business, not a charity. The only two things an editor needs to consider when evaluating a creator are (A) Are the stories he's doing for me any good, and (B) Are the stories he's doing for me selling?

Jesus, thanks for reminding me that Marvel was a business. Since Uncanny X-Men sells in the 85,000 range (which is more than most of Marvel's books), I'm going to GUESS that some people out there are enjoying Claremont's stories. But hey, let's fire him and bring him the newest "hip writer" of the moment.

That Marvel will fire yet again in 1 year/18 months in favor of the NEXT hip-and-happenin' writer. And so on an so on....

X-Men used to be one of Marvel's most stable books. Back in the late 70s and entire 1980s. Not surprisingly, that was under Chris Claremont. The X-books started to go under in quality when the "revolving door" of writers began in the 1990s. So excuse me if I'm not terribly enthused about returning to those days.

God, I cannot believe the amount of disrespect for creators on these boards.

[Ant-Man]

Jesus, thanks for reminding me that Marvel was a business. Since Uncanny X-Men sells in the 85,000 range (which is more than most of Marvel's books), I'm going to GUESS that some people out there are enjoying Claremont's stories. But hey, let's fire him and bring him the newest "hip writer" of the moment.

That Marvel will fire yet again in 1 year/18 months in favor of the NEXT hip-and-happenin' writer. And so on an so on....

X-Men used to be one of Marvel's most stable books. Back in the late 70s and entire 1980s. Not surprisingly, that was under Chris Claremont. The X-books started to go under in quality when the "revolving door" of writers began in the 1990s. So excuse me if I'm not terribly enthused about returning to those days.

God, I cannot believe the amount of disrespect for creators on these boards.

And do not forget that Claremont and Jim Lee's X-Men #1 is the highest selling comic book of all time.

[Brian M.]

It would not make sense to fire Claremont. He's doing a good job and his stories make sense. Milligan's on the other hand kinda look like you got a bunch of hippies together gave each of them a paint can and told them to splatter on a masterpiece. It's crap. They really need to give a good X-Writer/Writer X-Men. Lobdell was good I thought, Fabian is good, Brubaker would be the best choice, hell BKV is great aswell. But Milligan...dammit.

[comicartfan]

And do not forget that Claremont and Jim Lee's X-Men #1 is the highest selling comic book of all time.

Chris Claremont is probably my favorite comic book writer of all time. And I do think it is a shame that he is being pulled off of Uncanny again. But, the sales of X-Men #1 don't necessarily prove that it was Claremont and Lee that were responsible for those numbers.(I wish they were,because I loved that issue.) There were 5 variant covers, and that issue was published at the peak of the speculator boom,with people buying multiple copies of each cover.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I would rather see Brubaker on adj. X-men rather then Uncanny because Milligan's run sucks 10 times worst then Claremont's does. Have Brubaker replace Milligan and I would buy this book again.

You obviously haven't read the most recent issue of Uncanny. I'm so pissed that I wish I could take it back for a refund. It took me less than thirty seconds to read, and there was less happening than in a Bendis comic.

[Callie]

Well, yeah. It took place over 24 seconds. I think it was supposed to be 'experimental'.

[Erkoban]

You obviously haven't read the most recent issue of Uncanny. I'm so pissed that I wish I could take it back for a refund. It took me less than thirty seconds to read,

Really? Took me a lot longer than that, and I'm what you call a fast reader, the We3 trade paperback took me less than 10 minutes to read. House of M #2 took me literally less than 5 minutes.

and there was less happening than in a Bendis comic.

Did you get the all-advertisement edition then? A whole family got slaughtered, and the main characters fought them only with moderate succes, while one of those main characters found herself as the primary reason for the attack.

It's a middle chapter, the one just before the last chapter and the one just after the opening. I kept hearing, during House of M, that Bendis was such a talented writer who knw how to write according to the crrect model, but if you want an example on how to write following a correct model, this is it. First issue is the opening and introduces the main conflict, the second issue serves to elaborate the conflict and progress it, the third issue has the task of wrapping up the main conflict and present the new situation as fact and history.

As far as structure goes, this is very straightforward.

[Twigglet]

I sure hope this is true, and the fact that Deadly Genesis managed to sell more issues than uncanny whilst being a dollar more supposrts this theory. Hell Uncanny X-men is selling horrendously for what it is, it was the only title to lose readers when HOM starts, and it was selling less a few weeks ago than Austen's run was.

I'm hoping Brubeaker does come on board, he's a very talented writer!

[Beyerstein]

Marvel's only regular ongoings that have been outselling Uncanny are Astonishing, New Avengers, and Ultimates.

[Beyerstein]

rumor sounds fake to me

[The Dosadi Experiment]

I sure hope this is true, and the fact that Deadly Genesis managed to sell more issues than uncanny whilst being a dollar more supposrts this theory. Hell Uncanny X-men is selling horrendously for what it is, it was the only title to lose readers when HOM starts, and it was selling less a few weeks ago than Austen's run was.

I'm hoping Brubeaker does come on board, he's a very talented writer!

and X-men is selling like poop, it ranks below, way below, Uncanny.

[Chiasm]

I hope its not true. Uncanny is finally readable again. But if Brubaker takes over adjectiveless then I'll be popping the champaigne corks. Actually if anyone takes over adjectiveless I'll be happy.

[david r]

If Chris Claremont was left to his own devices, he could continue the epic he was writing before he was dropped from Uncanny X-Men , lo those many years ago.

Things like: the Shadow King Saga. Wherein the SK would have attempted to conquer the world. He had control of Rogue and the Muir Island Mutants. He also had taken possession of Donald Pierce, and thus had control over the Reavers in Australia. (See UXM #253-280; and hints in the X-Treme X-Men annual).

The SK also had his claws into the Hellfire Club and controlled many of their members (Sebastian Shaw, Selene, Emma Frost.) He had an operative in the gov't and possessed Val Cooper. So he had access to the White House. AND, he would have captured Gateway and was trying to access Dreamtime. If he had gotten power of Dreamtime, he would have been nearly unstoppable. Claremont was going to stack the Shadow King with so much power and leverage, that it would have taken damn near every living X-Men to stop him.

This would have lead to Uncanny X-Men #300 , where Charles Xavier finally makes a last-ditch gamble to stop the Shadow King from his mad quest for power. Xavier would win, but he would die in the process. Claremont felt it was time for the X-Men to finally "grow up". Just like how parents die and the children must live on without them, it was time for the X-Men to live without Xavier's guidance. And see if his Dream can live on without the Father and guiding force there. Could they do it on their own??

2) Claremont also envisioned the Dark Wolverine tale. In which, in X-Men vol. 2, #3 , Wolverine would have been killed by Lady Deathstrike. She would have ripped his heart out, and he would finally be slain on the field of battle. Claremont planned for Logan to truly die and be gone for an entire year. Then in CC's 200th anniversary issue UXM #294, Wolverine would return again, resurrected by the Hand and turned into their Master Assassin. He would have been completely under the control of the Hand, and the X-Men would have to mark him as one of their adversaries. Cyclops and the others finally think it might be time to bring Wolverine down for good. But Charles Xavier is adamant that Logan must be saved.

3) Claremont also planned for a much more dangerous world for the mutants in the 1990s. Mutants would have been used like "commodities" by corporations and powerful individuals, for their own ends. Plus, a whole new generation of mutants would have appeared that would have been far more ruthless and cunning than any opponent the mutant teams would have faced before.

[thik_3rd]

If Chris Claremont was left to his own devices, he could continue the epic he was writing before he was dropped from Uncanny X-Men , lo those many years ago.

Things like: the Shadow King Saga. Wherein the SK would have attempted to conquer the world. He had control of Rogue and the Muir Island Mutants. He also had taken possession of Donald Pierce, and thus had control over the Reavers in Australia. (See UXM #253-280; and hints in the X-Treme X-Men annual).

The SK also had his claws into the Hellfire Club and controlled many of their members (Sebastian Shaw, Selene, Emma Frost.) He had an operative in the gov't and possessed Val Cooper. So he had access to the White House. AND, he would have captured Gateway and was trying to access Dreamtime. If he had gotten power of Dreamtime, he would have been nearly unstoppable. Claremont was going to stack the Shadow King with so much power and leverage, that it would have taken damn near every living X-Men to stop him.

This would have lead to Uncanny X-Men #300 , where Charles Xavier finally makes a last-ditch gamble to stop the Shadow King from his mad quest for power. Xavier would win, but he would die in the process. Claremont felt it was time for the X-Men to finally "grow up". Just like how parents die and the children must live on without them, it was time for the X-Men to live without Xavier's guidance. And see if his Dream can live on without the Father and guiding force there. Could they do it on their own??

2) Claremont also envisioned the Dark Wolverine tale. In which, in X-Men vol. 2, #3 , Wolverine would have been killed by Lady Deathstrike. She would have ripped his heart out, and he would finally be slain on the field of battle. Claremont planned for Logan to truly die and be gone for an entire year. Then in CC's 200th anniversary issue UXM #294, Wolverine would return again, resurrected by the Hand and turned into their Master Assassin. He would have been completely under the control of the Hand, and the X-Men would have to mark him as one of their adversaries. Cyclops and the others finally think it might be time to bring Wolverine down for good. But Charles Xavier is adamant that Logan must be saved.

3) Claremont also planned for a much more dangerous world for the mutants in the 1990s. Mutants would have been used like "commodities" by corporations and powerful individuals, for their own ends. Plus, a whole new generation of mutants would have appeared that would have been far more ruthless and cunning than any opponent the mutant teams would have faced before.
thankfully none of that happened.

[Chiasm]

For better or worse, Claremont is who got me hooked on comics. I only occasionally bought comics prior to my first Uncanny, issue #210, but I picked it up the same day I picked up Classic X-men #'s 1 and 2. Its been all downhill since then and thing have steadily gotten worse. Claremont now isn't as good as he was at his peak and even I must admit that some recent Claremont, X-treme X-men sucked, but overall he is still better than 95% of the crap out there. Claremont actually tells a story with depth that takes more than one minute to read. Unlike someone like Bendis, who admittedly can tell a good story, but takes six issues to do what Claremont would do in one.

[david r]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.

[Chiasm]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.

Preaching to the choir.

Take the last Uncanny book, 24 seconds. Even though the whole book was only 24 seconds of real time there was much more characterization, depth, and plot movement in it than any three books currently written in the Bendis style. Not to mention it took me as long to read it as it would three Bendis books (Powers being the exception to Bendis's more common decompressed style).

[Babylon23]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.

Sing it, david r. You've nailed it in one.

[SpartanX]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.
finally someone who understands what I think.

[Blade X]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.

I agree with evry single thing you said.

Like I said in my previous post, I think the only way that CC will be able to tell the type of X-Men stories he wants to tell while writing one of the core X-books, is to be put on X-Men and change the title to X-Men:X.S.E.. The membership of X-Men:X.S.E. should be comprised of those X-characters who most "hot" writers and narrow minded editors and fans hate or classified as 2nd,3rd,or 4th stringers. In other words, the team should be comprised of characters who have NOT appeared in the movies. CC needs to bring characters into the X-Men, who haver been X-Men before (both limbo and dead characters). Hell, I'll even go a step further and say the X.S.E. team membership should be comprised of MOSTLY non-white mutants. Of course this will most likely never happen since Marvel seems to prefer MOST of their non-white mutant characters either powerless,in limbo,or dead.

[NickThompson]

Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.
Or they have different opinions from you.





If this is true, I look forward to Brubaker's take.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Chris Claremont treats the X-Men as an epic.

Nearly all the other writers from the 90s and today, view the X-Men as a stepping stone in their careers. And nothing more. They come on the books, put in their 10 minutes, collect their fat paycheck, and then take off with X-Men in their resume.

Claremont is the only person who has stayed and been consistent and attempted to weave an epic saga. Most fans nowadays seem to want to be spoon-fed stories, and have attention-spans of 5 seconds and can't bother with intricately-plotted stories.

Claremont may write long epic storylines, but bad epic storylines are still bad storylines. When he writes something worth reading that isn't 15 years old, we'll talk.

[ElijahS23]

Picked up DEADLY GENESIS #1 (2nd print, VARIANT, ..whatever) and #2 'cuz it seemed to have sold out in all the stores I frequented after it was originally released.

I became a fan of Brubaker after reading his tales on Holden Carver in POINT BLANK and SLEEPER. I'd like to sample his other stuff, and since this was new, why not? It has enough of my interest to check out #3, but I don't know, somethin's missing... I guess the plot isn't doin' it for me 'cuz of the whole "recycled" feel mentioned by some o' you; especially if he's possibly bringin' back THUNDERBIRD? Plus, I feel outta the loop since I haven't bought an X BOOK since Whedon's first ASTONISHING issue (which I didn't collect 'cuz #1 left me "bleh.") All of a sudden, I see RACHEL SUMMERS as the new MARVEL GIRL?!

BTW, can anyone recommend some of his other works? I've heard good things 'bout GOTHAM CENTRAL, but what 'bout CAPTAIN AMERICA, BOOKS OF DOOM, and anything else? I'm tempted to pick 'em up at the store, but wanna get some helpful input first... THANKS IN ADVANCE!

[thik_3rd]

books of doom is ok, so was authority revolution. captain america is maybe the best book out right now.

[david r]

Captain America is probably the best book Marvel produces right now.I'd strongly recommend picking this run up.

Gotham Central is quite good. I'd also recommend it. And DC Comics plans to trade-paperback the entire run, so you might want to get those.

Since you're not a hardcore X-Men fan, I'd say skip Deadly Genesis. It seems aimed at core X-fans, and not the casual reader.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Gotham Central is quite good. I'd also recommend it. And DC Comics plans to trade-paperback the entire run, so you might want to get those.

And the first two trades are out.

[moebius]

I'm another who's hoping Marvel is testing the waters to see which X-Writer to drop. If it has to be one of them to go, it has to be Milligan.

Whedon has the name, and is batting .500 on his stories.

Claremont is doing his best work since FF, especially now that editorial is giving him six months of breathing room before the next major crossover.

Milligan's run is bad. Not Chuck Austen bad. More Joe Casey bad. Like Casey, Milligan has a certain style. I like to think of Milligan's style as "arch." Milligan takes characters, dips them in irony and hyper-magnifies certain character traits. That style is completely inappropriate for X-Men in the same way it was completely appropriate for X-Force. I liked Casey's run, but I can see how people would think using WildCATS 2.0 as a template for the X-Men could be off-putting.

I read the last issue of X-Men, and it felt like there were pages missing. Seriously. It was garbage. All the characters came off as one-note psychos and jokers, and none of the plotting made sense (the "plot," yes; but from panel to panel "no").

I would love to see what Brubaker does with the X-Men. Give him a year and see if his writing style is compatible with the property. We've already had a year of Milligan and that experiment failed badly.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Gets down on hands n knees to Joe Quesada's picture.


" Please boot Milligan. His run sucks. I wanna be able to keep this title. Please Joe Quesada. Please!! "

[Siddon]

Or Ed could be the one to replace Joss when he leaves.

But that would just make sense and we can't have that here.

[User Name]

2) Claremont also envisioned the Dark Wolverine tale. In which, in X-Men vol. 2, #3 , Wolverine would have been killed by Lady Deathstrike. She would have ripped his heart out, and he would finally be slain on the field of battle. Claremont planned for Logan to truly die and be gone for an entire year. Then in CC's 200th anniversary issue UXM #294, Wolverine would return again, resurrected by the Hand and turned into their Master Assassin. He would have been completely under the control of the Hand, and the X-Men would have to mark him as one of their adversaries. Cyclops and the others finally think it might be time to bring Wolverine down for good. But Charles Xavier is adamant that Logan must be saved.

He stole that idea from Mark Millar :p

(this shouldn't be necessary, but it probably is - that was sarcasm)

[Strider119]

Claremont may write long epic storylines, but bad epic storylines are still bad storylines. When he writes something worth reading that isn't 15 years old, we'll talk.


I heard that.


And to keep on topic I think Brubaker would work magic on an X-title. That guy is one of the 5 top writers in the industry right now in my opinion.


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strider119

[Psylurker]

Rich,

any news about this? Specifically, will you adress Chris Claremont's current status at Marvel (will he still be writing for them at all?) and be giving updates on the Brubaker/Uncanny thingie in the near future? Do you know if Milligan will still be writing adjectiveless?

Thanks in advance.

[Interpreter11]

No offense to any of his "fans" but Brubaker surfaced a few times on Comicon a few years ago and came across as a real scumbag. Probably it's the company he keeps. I know that in the indy comics community where he came from that he's viewed as a cheap sellout.

[The Wayner]

I don't know the man, and personally could care less about his personality---whether it's good or bad.

He writes damn good stories. I currently don't read any X titles, but if Mr. Brubaker jumps aboard one, that will definitely be added to my pull list.

[Jake V]

Brubaker posts here all the time. On Cap threads and Deadly Genesis threads, mostly. He never once came accross as anything less than a great guy, who is more than willing to talk at great length with people who aren't liking his books. He's always been respectful.

Of course, if you think he's a scumbag, you could always PM him or say so in any of the threads he posts in.

[dancj]

I know that in the indy comics community where he came from that he's viewed as a cheap sellout.

I suspect anyone who climbs from indy obscurity to mainstream success is viewed as a sellout in the indy comics community. This is a combination of jealousy and the completely false belief that anything indy is inherently better than anything mainstream.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

No offense to any of his "fans" but Brubaker surfaced a few times on Comicon a few years ago and came across as a real scumbag. Probably it's the company he keeps. I know that in the indy comics community where he came from that he's viewed as a cheap sellout.

And Phillip K Dick was a burnt out junkie, Bret Easton Ellis is narsarcisstic and Norman Mailer beat (or was it stabbed?) his wife.

Still wrote some damn good books.

Q: Would they're books be as good if they were really nice guys who loved everybody and were loved back?

A: Who cares, the books they wrote were fine. As long as I don't have to know them I don't care what sort of person they are like, as long as the stories are good.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Rich ...think ya can roll that crystal ball to Milligan's book now so we can get him off to . I mean your like freakin nostradamus . Think you can go ahead and put the good-bye kiss on Milligan's X-Men ? ;)