Colossus: Bloodline #4 - Review & SPOILERS!

[xakko]

OK, this has been out for several days, and no one has commented on it, so I'm beginning to wonder if I am the only one reading it...

When we last left Piotr, he and his cousin Larisa were listening to Mr. Sinister recount how he had worked with the "mad monk" Grigory Rasputin to attempt to propagate the "Essex factor" - the X gene- that Rasputin carried. At the end of the story, Uncle Vlad had set himself on fire.

Our story begins with Colossus carrying his self-immolating uncle out to the snow to douse him. He is too late, but Vlad does say that "he's leaving me. all my life he's tormented me", keeping him awake with Abba songs in his head. The next page confused me a bit- it showed Peter, Larisa and Mikhail all screaming in pain, and also another figure I don't recognize. Larisa says the inside of her head turned cold, while Mikhail says merely that "he" is much stronger now. Colossus demands an explanation from Sinister. Sinister continues his story. He had assumed that when Rasputin claimed he would return, it would be in a figurative sense- in his genetic legacy. However, while visiting the now deceased Uncle Vlad, he had been surprised to be addressed by his real name- Nathaniel Essex. Vladimir was talking and acting like Grigory Rasputin. He said that to fully return, the bloodline must be killed off, leaving only one Rasputin, the strongest, whom he would then take over completely. Sinister went around killing Rasputins, verifying to himself that it was Grigory, not just the mad ravings of Vladimir, who was speaking. He decided that the last Rasputin would be Mikhail, who, after the Twelve storyline had transported himself and the horsemen to a distant dimension. Sinister used Vladimir/Grigory to stop Mikhail from hurtling himself into the Dark Zone, a pit of no return sort of thing, and brought him back.

Colossus again asks Mikhail how he could do this, and Mikhail repeats his excuse from #2- that it is what he has always done. He goes on to say that he is tired of fighting his fate, and that he chooses to embrace it. Colossus insists that this fate would be to become Grigory Rasputin, and then Mikhail himself would no longer exist. Mikhail replies, "Mikhail is an illusion. I dreamed I was a man called Mikhail, but the dream became a nightmare." Larisa interjects with an anecdote of the caring Mikhail she knew, searching for Piotr, who had fallen in a hole and insisting they keep up the search, finally rescuing him. She asks Mikhail to fight this, and Sinister kills her. As she dies, she tells Piotr to not let the darkness eat him up, to live for her, for all of them.

Colossus grabs Sinister by the neck- saying Larisa was the best of them, and worth a thousand of him. Mikhail tells Piotr to stop, that they must fight to the death, but not on Earth, where Piotr is stronger. Sinister, who actually seemed to be affected by the choke, insists that the fight must be on Earth, but is too late. Mikhail has taken Colossus to the dimension where he'd been exiled since "The Twelve". He plans on leaving him there, to eventually starve to death, leaving Mikhail as the last Rasputin, and the vessel for Grigory's consciousness. As he monologues, Colossus picks up a rock and throws it (left handed!) striking Mikhail. He offers a different scenario- if Mikhail dies in this desolate place, Piotr will be the last of the Rasputins. Grigory will be reborn in him, with no escape, "dying slowly in the dark". Colossus does not want to do this, but to avoid releasing such evil on the world, he must kill Mikhail.

OK, the art is really bleak and stark, with one rather striking splash page. But it has definitely grown on me. I wish I could say the story has. Minor nits- Mikhail being weaker than Piotr in their normal dimension? Can't he manipulate matter and energy? Sinister hurt by brute force? I also believe that Colossus had not demonstrated any need for food or drink in his armored form. Regardless, despite the length of the summary, very little seems to be happening. Yes, major changes are occurring that should have a profound effect on the life of Colossus, but so much of it is in flashback and doesn't (in my mind) fit the character of Colossus prior to Uncanny #390, and even then, not so much. It is so hard to successfully accomplish what Hine is trying here- to change or add to a backstory like this when there is so much history and continuity that can get in the way.

As it is, I'm still on the fence. I don't know how much I like how he's got things set up, but a solid issue #5 could wrap this up with a bang, and make it all worthwhile. I wish there weren't so many flashbacks. It slowed the story down tremendously. In a way, I guess I'm on the edge of my seat for the next issue, so I suppose Hine has done his job well, at that.

[Titan Slade]

OK, this has been out for several days, and no one has commented on it.

That is because no one cares about it ;) .

[Romus]

I WANTED to care about it.... :(

But no one cares about this story, and it will be forgotten. What a waste. When are they going to learn that Colossus was built for ACTION.

This mini was a big let down.

Edit: SPOILER !!!!

The only thing I can see them doing to give it ANY noteworthiness is if Colossus KILLS his brother and nothing happens... which makes him realise his sister is somehow alive.

[AnkaleRa]

Did anyone else notice that when Vladimir died that not only were Colossus, Mikhail, and Larisa were affected by a fourth? The fourth was some barechested man next to a painting, or possibly a window, that showed a scene with some trees and a tyrannasaurus. Is this another descendant of Grigory Rasputin? Does no one else know about him?

[xakko]

The only thing I can see them doing to give it ANY noteworthiness is if Colossus KILLS his brother and nothing happens... which makes him realise his sister is somehow alive.
That still doesn't explain who the fourth person was screaming at the death of Vlad... is there another Rasputin? The weird thing was, it looks a little like Gambit... could there be even more to the Cajun's bloodline than hinted at in X-Men: the End?

This series has so much alleged character development and little action, and the Kitty Pryde series was all action and little character development, the opposite of what you would expect.

If I could reconcile this Colossus with the one I've read about for years, I wouldn't be so concerned. I know people who have interviewed David Hine, and they are satisfied that he knows what he's doing. That's what I've got going for me.

[Absolut_Fresh]

yeah you are the only one reading it...i gave up on solo x-men mini's LONG ago. :p

[steve2275]

thats petes KID

[Colossal Spoons]

I WANTED to care about it.... :(

But no one cares about this story, and it will be forgotten. What a waste. When are they going to learn that Colossus was built for ACTION.

This mini was a big let down.

Edit: SPOILER !!!!

The only thing I can see them doing to give it ANY noteworthiness is if Colossus KILLS his brother and nothing happens... which makes him realise his sister is somehow alive.

No sir, I see this mini adding a bit to Petey's character. When was the last time we saw him angry to the point of murder. I'm lovin this mini.

[Jack Flash]

I am loving this mini too. Great art. Fantastic Art even. I love the idea that they've truly decided to place Mikhail as a baddy. Too much on the fence this way and that gets old. He either needed to be good or needed to be bad. seems like Sinister and Grigory have pushed just enough to make him be bad. This entire series is written with this sense of suspense, that at any moment, the other shoe is going to drop. The art helps to back this up. I am more than pleased.

[Romus]

Yeah I wonder if the writer even thought of Peter's son in the savage land.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I like Peter and I like what this series is about but they have to take it easy on the Sinister manhandling. After all, this is the 616 main reality and Sinister is physically stronger than Colossus. No matter..it's a progressive story and that's all that counts.

[Romus]

Sinister is stronger than Colossus? I don't follow the character closely but when was this shown?

[Jack Flash]

I like Peter and I like what this series is about but they have to take it easy on the Sinister manhandling. After all, this is the 616 main reality and Sinister is physically stronger than Colossus. No matter..it's a progressive story and that's all that counts.

even if Sinister is stronger than Peter, *which I am not sure is true*, If peter got the upper hand, there is not alot you can do when someone strong grabs you by the throat.

[Romus]

I've missed a lot of X-Men over the past several years, but I don't think we have ever seen Sinister throwing cars around or doing anything CLOSE to the what Colossus can do strength wise.

[Beast]

The story has been fairly good so far, in my opinion. But I have a bad feeling it's just going to fall apart at the end and not serve any sort of purpose at all. I'll be pleasently suprised if it does offer something in the end, given that most minis fall flat in that area. It's nice to see Mikhail and Sinister again. Sinister isn't normally someone foolish enough to actually allow himself to get choked by someone, but it seems to be playing into his schemes so I'll allow it. :)

[Gaveedra 6]

Sinister has a completely maleable body, correct? Colossus could put a hole right through him, and essex would just give him a toothy grin.

I want to like this story alot. But it's just spent 2 issues with all the characters talking in a cabin in the woods. I'm all for an interesting, character building story, but GODDAMN! Colossus is one of my favorite characters, and I just spent like 5 years thinking he was dead. I want to see him smashing stuff!!!!

[Beast]

Sinister has a completely maleable body, correct? Colossus could put a hole right through him, and essex would just give him a toothy grin.

I want to like this story alot. But it's just spent 2 issues with all the characters talking in a cabin in the woods. I'm all for an interesting, character building story, but GODDAMN! Colossus is one of my favorite characters, and I just spent like 5 years thinking he was dead. I want to see him smashing stuff!!!!
Yeah, but wouldn't you rather his fans see an intelligent side of him? Instead of the bland characterization of him as the brick with no brain that Lobdell killed him for in the first place? He's certainly not getting much time to shine as anything more than 'Plot Device Candy' and 'Cheap Wallpaper' in Astonishing at the moment. Let him smash and be the one-dimensional brute there, and let him actually have two thoughts to rub together outside of the book. Before he gets labeled the big dumb russkie again. :)

[ocelotrevs]

I like Peter and I like what this series is about but they have to take it easy on the Sinister manhandling. After all, this is the 616 main reality and Sinister is physically stronger than Colossus. No matter..it's a progressive story and that's all that counts.
When was Sinister shown to be anywhere near Colossus' strenght levels?


Although I like this mini, hmmm, there's just something about it that doesn't quite to it for me. It's cool the way they linked in Rasputin with Colossus though, an interesting take and adds to the mystery about him.
I hope this doesn't flop in the last issue.

[Romus]

Yeah, but wouldn't you rather his fans see an intelligent side of him? Instead of the bland characterization of him as the brick with no brain that Lobdell killed him for in the first place? He's certainly not getting much time to shine as anything more than 'Plot Device Candy' and 'Cheap Wallpaper' in Astonishing at the moment. Let him smash and be the one-dimensional brute there, and let him actually have two thoughts to rub together outside of the book. Before he gets labeled the big dumb russkie again. :)


But that's exactly what Colossus has been in this series... he's just standing around listening to all this back story and he can't contribute anything to it at all other than try to choke them AFTER the girl dies...

[Gaveedra 6]

Yeah, but wouldn't you rather his fans see an intelligent side of him? Instead of the bland characterization of him as the brick with no brain that Lobdell killed him for in the first place? He's certainly not getting much time to shine as anything more than 'Plot Device Candy' and 'Cheap Wallpaper' in Astonishing at the moment. Let him smash and be the one-dimensional brute there, and let him actually have two thoughts to rub together outside of the book. Before he gets labeled the big dumb russkie again. :)
I'm all for character development. Unfortunately, this mini has only given character development to Rasputin (the original), Mikhail and Mister Sinister.

I imagine Colossus at his best using his speed, strength, experience and intelligence all together. This whole mini, he really hasn't used any. It's an interesting premise, but if the finale falls as flat as the previous issues I'll be really disappointed. By the same tolken, a solid, action-packed finish will make this mini completely worthwhile.

[Colossal Spoons]

Sinister has a completely maleable body, correct? Colossus could put a hole right through him, and essex would just give him a toothy grin.

I want to like this story alot. But it's just spent 2 issues with all the characters talking in a cabin in the woods. I'm all for an interesting, character building story, but GODDAMN! Colossus is one of my favorite characters, and I just spent like 5 years thinking he was dead. I want to see him smashing stuff!!!!

That's what the Hulk is for. I liek the fact that Petey is indeed, a "gentle giant". Don't worry, I have a feeling many things will be smashed by the time this is over.

So what's this about Nate being physically stronger than Petey?

[xakko]

Yeah I wonder if the writer even thought of Peter's son in the savage land.
The figure didn't look anything like Peter Jr., not from the X-Men Annual nor X-Men: the End. It really looked more like Gambit.

So if Piotr kills Mikhail we'll either find out that he doesn't turn into Rasputin, because Peter Jr. still lives, splitting the Grigory force between the two of them, or he fights off the Grigory spirit, and perhaps we find that Marvel has decided to get rid of Peter Jr. in a rather pathetic way and we find that Sinister has already killed him.

If they go the latter route, and Piotr doesn't pound Sinister into jelly (even if he could later reconstitute himself) or at least swear single-minded revenge upon Essex.

Of course, they could also bring Illyana back too. That wouldn't suck.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

When was Sinister shown to be anywhere near Colossus' strenght levels?


Although I like this mini, hmmm, there's just something about it that doesn't quite to it for me. It's cool the way they linked in Rasputin with Colossus though, an interesting take and adds to the mystery about him.
I hope this doesn't flop in the last issue.

When has Sinister ever been pushed around? Period. During the whole Uncanny #221-241 run, he was never bested in strength at all.

[colossus34]

When has Sinister ever been pushed around? Period. During the whole Uncanny #221-241 run, he was never bested in strength at all.


That was totally due to sinister's "jobber aura" becuase the guy has never been mentioned as being anywhere near Colossus strength wise.

[fishtaco]

Sinister, Mikhail Rasputin...

I regret not picking this up from the start. It's coming out in tpb form, right? Right?

[xakko]

Sinister, Mikhail Rasputin...

I regret not picking this up from the start. It's coming out in tpb form, right? Right?
Yes- February or March I think.

[Alpha to Omega]

The figure didn't look anything like Peter Jr., not from the X-Men Annual nor X-Men: the End. It really looked more like Gambit.

So if Piotr kills Mikhail we'll either find out that he doesn't turn into Rasputin, because Peter Jr. still lives, splitting the Grigory force between the two of them, or he fights off the Grigory spirit, and perhaps we find that Marvel has decided to get rid of Peter Jr. in a rather pathetic way and we find that Sinister has already killed him.

If they go the latter route, and Piotr doesn't pound Sinister into jelly (even if he could later reconstitute himself) or at least swear single-minded revenge upon Essex.

Of course, they could also bring Illyana back too. That wouldn't suck.

Actually if you look closely the figure is wearing a loincloth and you can see what looks like a T-Rex out the window. I think he's meant to be Piotr Jr. in the Savage Land.

[ocelotrevs]

When has Sinister ever been pushed around? Period. During the whole Uncanny #221-241 run, he was never bested in strength at all.
When has Sinister pushed anyone around?
Just because he doesn't get pushed around alot, that doesn't mean that he's as strong as Colossus. Who was in the issues you mentioned?

[steve2275]

sinister is VERY durable
not really all that strong tho
and DA it is a REALLY COOL scene

[xakko]

Actually if you look closely the figure is wearing a loincloth and you can see what looks like a T-Rex out the window. I think he's meant to be Piotr Jr. in the Savage Land.
Good eye... the skin tone and hair color just seemed wrong for Peter Jr, and for some reason, I thought that it was a picture, not a window.

So even if Colossus were to kill Mikhail, it wouldn't be the rebirth of Grigory. Hrmmmm...

[Erik Lehnsherr]

That was totally due to sinister's "jobber aura" becuase the guy has never been mentioned as being anywhere near Colossus strength wise.

Jobber aura? When did Sinister become Wolverine and Captain America? His wins were true to the way he was portrayed and explained completely. And if you have ever seen a list of Sinister's powers, he has super strength. No on knows if that's just Colossus level or even Apocalypse's. He doesn't fight directly like that.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

When has Sinister pushed anyone around?
Just because he doesn't get pushed around alot, that doesn't mean that he's as strong as Colossus. Who was in the issues you mentioned?

He punked out Sabretooth quite easily in Uncanny #221 and flung Strong Guy out of his way in X-Factor with a mere gesture. He's no slouch in super strength.

[steve2275]

Good eye... the skin tone and hair color just seemed wrong for Peter Jr, and for some reason, I thought that it was a picture, not a window.

So even if Colossus were to kill Mikhail, it wouldn't be the rebirth of Grigory. Hrmmmm...
still kill a madman

[^o^CORVUS^o^]

He punked out Sabretooth quite easily in Uncanny #221 and flung Strong Guy out of his way in X-Factor with a mere gesture. He's no slouch in super strength.

1) Sabertooth's level of superhuman strength is rather low comparatively.

2) As for Strong Guy, you don't have to be AS superhumanly strong as another to fling them aside.

I've never seen evidence that Sinister possesses class-100 strength. He's no slouch, that much is true, but I don't think he's at Peter's level.

[colossus34]

Exactly Sabertooth isn't even in spidey's strnegth level and Strong is a total joke---the guy has a very low base level strength(he only increases if stronger opponents are fighting against him and even then its in short bursts)

Sinister is no way even near Colossus in strength.

[Romus]

The thing i am wondering is, after spending 5 issues on this whole idea of a bloodline, will it have any lasting effect on Colossus after it's over or just be forgotten. Will Colssus be rid of the "madness rage" or will it be there still?

I personally liked the idea that Colossus got pissed off on his own .. not some retcon that he has had a spirit in him this whole time.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

1) Sabertooth's level of superhuman strength is rather low comparatively.

2) As for Strong Guy, you don't have to be AS superhumanly strong as another to fling them aside.

I've never seen evidence that Sinister possesses class-100 strength. He's no slouch, that much is true, but I don't think he's at Peter's level.

On the contrary, with the exception of this book, there is no evidence that has EVER had Sinister be dominated on a physical level. It's kind of..silly.

[steve2275]

COLOSSUS has never grabbed sinister b4 is y

[Erik Lehnsherr]

COLOSSUS has never grabbed sinister b4 is y

Considering Sinister's speed and teleportation ability, that still doesn't add up.

[steve2275]

since when has sin been able to do that?

[TinMan]

On the contrary, with the exception of this book, there is no evidence that has EVER had Sinister be dominated on a physical level. It's kind of..silly.

Well Mystique did cut his head off with a knife in X-Men: The End, though it isn't cannon I would assume that its possible at least from some aspect considering his creator wrote that.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

since when has sin been able to do that?


Sinister has been teleporting since X-Men #23 at least and has very deceptive speed. I thought everybody knew that...oh well. :cool:

And even if his head was cut off, he would simply regenerate it together once he got close enough. Remember that Sinister has that T-1000 type of regenerative properties..comes in handy. Wolverine healing factor? Eat your heart out!

[TinMan]

Sinister has been teleporting since X-Men #23 at least and has very deceptive speed. I thought everybody knew that...oh well. :cool:

And even if his head was cut off, he would simply regenerate it together once he got close enough. Remember that Sinister has that T-1000 type of regenerative properties..comes in handy. Wolverine healing factor? Eat your heart out!

Well, its blatantly obvious that Pete is strong enough rip his head clean off his shoulders, but why does his body HAVE to be near his head? Couldn't Colossus just rip it off, walk outside and throw it a good 3 miles away into a deepass Siberian snow bank? Don't think he would be able to recupe from that.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Well, its blatantly obvious that Pete is strong enough rip his head clean off his shoulders, but why does his body HAVE to be near his head? Couldn't Colossus just rip it off, walk outside and throw it a good 3 miles away into a deepass Siberian snow bank? Don't think he would be able to recupe from that.

My mistake. I have led you astray..I meant that if he was to be decapitated from his body, it would regenerate eventually. He always does. And Colossus is NOT beating Sinister in a direct fight. The only way what happened in Bloodlines is even comprehensible to prior confrontations holds to the fact that Sinister wasn't defending himself and only acted as narrator. We're talking about a guy who has knocked out the entire team of X-Force and Nate Grey in one fell swoop. It's kind of convenient that Sinister's mind contorl/TK and power blasts disappears to show Colossus in a strong light in this one but thankfully, it ended before it got out of hand.

[TinMan]

My mistake. I have led you astray..I meant that if he was to be decapitated from his body, it would regenerate eventually. He always does. And Colossus is NOT beating Sinister in a direct fight. The only way what happened in Bloodlines is even comprehensible to prior confrontations holds to the fact that Sinister wasn't defending himself and only acted as narrator. We're talking about a guy who has knocked out the entire team of X-Force and Nate Grey in one fell swoop. It's kind of convenient that Sinister's mind contorl/TK and power blasts disappears to show Colossus in a strong light in this one but thankfully, it ended before it got out of hand.

Ya, but its no more assanine than Mystique cuttin his friggin head off with a knife lol. :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Ya, but its no more assanine than Mystique cuttin his friggin head off with a knife lol. :D

That's not canon though. And with Sinister involved, it's probably pure deception.

[Unkillable Cat]

Um...stupid thought of the day here (haven't read this issue yet) but...

Colossus spent some time DEAD.

The Grigory "spirit" thing is present throughout the bloodline, and it grows stronger as there are fewer Rasputins alive.

Therefore, the spirit is somehow divided between the Rasputins, and the "spirit fragments" of dead Rasputins join up with the spirit fragments of still-living Rasputins, until only one Rasputin is still standing, and the Grigory spirit is united.

So if Colossus has died, he shouldn't have a Grigory spirit fragment in him, should he? :confused:

[TinMan]

That's not canon though. And with Sinister involved, it's probably pure deception.

Who cares if its not cannon? With a character as powerful as Sinister it doesn't make sense that she would be able to anyway.

But I agree that chances are there is some sort of deception there considering it is Nate Essex.

[TinMan]

Um...stupid thought of the day here (haven't read this issue yet) but...

Colossus spent some time DEAD.

The Grigory "spirit" thing is present throughout the bloodline, and it grows stronger as there are fewer Rasputins alive.

Therefore, the spirit is somehow divided between the Rasputins, and the "spirit fragments" of dead Rasputins join up with the spirit fragments of still-living Rasputins, until only one Rasputin is still standing, and the Grigory spirit is united.

So if Colossus has died, he shouldn't have a Grigory spirit fragment in him, should he? :confused:

Thats a good point and it does seem the most logical, but since he was brought back to life he somehow retained it.

[xakko]

Thats a good point and it does seem the most logical, but since he was brought back to life he somehow retained it.
Not necessarily...

That could be the kicker too. Piotr kills Mikhail, and Peter Jr. becomes the new Grigory. To prevent him from destroying the world, Piotr is forced to kill the son he never knew he had.

Marvel is thus rid of the annoying little dangler that might cause an issue between Kitty and Piotr. And even as a Kiotr fan, that would totally suck.

[Amokitty]

That could be the kicker too. Piotr kills Mikhail, and Peter Jr. becomes the new Grigory. To prevent him from destroying the world, Piotr is forced to kill the son he never knew he had.

Marvel is thus rid of the annoying little dangler that might cause an issue between Kitty and Piotr. And even as a Kiotr fan, that would totally suck.

Why would it suck? (I'm just curious to know is all...)

The way I see it, the Peter Jr. subplot that's been brewing all these years is one of the lamest Claremont's ever done - and I'm a longtime Claremont fan.

I was disappointed when I first read the Classic X-Men backup story that got shoehorned into continuity; the menage-a-tois that Peter had in the Savage Land. It seemed very out of character for the fresh off the farm, shy, teenage boy. Nereel told Peter at the time that she and her friend wanted to "create new life". Peter replied that, "Your ways... they are not mine!" or words to that effect. They ended up having their threesome anyway.

My problem with this is that Peter KNEW there could be consequences. All of them knew that BOTH Nereel and Shakani, or whatever the hell her name was, could wind up pregnant. By Peter. A teenager. Living on the other side of the planet. He left the Savage Land and both girls to their fate.

Several years later, Peter returns to the Savage Land and sees Nereel's son. A boy also named Peter. For some odd reason he takes this as mere coincidence. I've never seen before or since, Claremont writing his own character to be so stupid. Colossus - a favorite character of mine for over 20 years, comes off looking like a complete moron, or worse a deadbeat dad; knowing there's a chance of his having a child, yet doing nothing to find out the truth and help support/raise that child. Doesn't sound very heroic does it?

One of the things I like so much about Peter is his integrity, and it's sorely lacking in this particular piece of x-history. Claremont didn't do right by Colossus at all. Extremely immature and out of character for Peter.

It seems that Absentee Fatherhood is a favorite theme of Claremont's, and I'd wish he'd stop using it. Charles Xavier, Corsair, Banshee, Colossus, Magneto, and Mystique (Claremont's intended father for Kurt) all fall into this category. It's hard to believe that so damn many X-Men have no idea that they have children, or thought their children were dead. Even Logan appears to have a Savage Land kid, but shockingly enough Claremont didn't write that.

Claremont's 'Peter Jr.' concept is a very flawed one. It doesn't advance Colossus' character development or personality. It diminishes it.

Speaking for myself, I'd be very happy to see Peter Jr. bite the big one. The entire plot has gone on for waaayyyy too long now. I'd like to see it resolved one way or another at the very least, so then maybe we'll see a new character direction for Colossus with some fresh ideas.

[steve2275]

They ended up having their threesome anyway.

My problem with this is that Peter KNEW there could be consequences. All of them knew that BOTH Nereel and Shakani, or whatever the hell her name was, could wind up pregnant. By Peter. A teenager. Living on the other side of the planet. He left the Savage Land and both girls to their fate.

Several years later, Peter returns to the Savage Land and sees Nereel's son. A boy also named Peter. For some odd reason he takes this as mere coincidence. I've never seen before or since, Claremont writing his own character to be so stupid. Colossus - a favorite character of mine for over 20 years, comes off looking like a complete moron, or worse a deadbeat dad; knowing there's a chance of his having a child, yet doing nothing to find out the truth and help support/raise that child. Doesn't sound very heroic does it?

One of the things I like so much about Peter is his integrity, and it's sorely lacking in this particular piece of x-history. Claremont didn't do right by Colossus at all. Extremely immature and out of character for Peter.

Speaking for myself, I'd be very happy to see Peter Jr. bite the big one..
id like ta see him appear in astonishing

[xakko]

Speaking for myself, I'd be very happy to see Peter Jr. bite the big one. The entire plot has gone on for waaayyyy too long now. I'd like to see it resolved one way or another at the very least, so then maybe we'll see a new character direction for Colossus with some fresh ideas.
I agree with nearly everything you say. Granted, Nereel and Shakani had no expectations for Peter to stay and raise the child- we are meant to assume that in their culture, "it takes a village" is the rule.

And you are right that the annual makes Piotr very dense- no one forgets their first time, especially if it were a threesome with two beautiful mohawked Fall people.

I object to the callous killing of Peter Jr. because it is out there, in continuity, and I simply don't like the idea of killing comic characters wantonly to clean up a plot mess (that's what took Colossus away from us the first time) and even moreso, I hate the idea of killing kids.

[Romus]

I was disappointed when I first read the Classic X-Men backup story that got shoehorned into continuity; the menage-a-tois that Peter had in the Savage Land. It seemed very out of character for the fresh off the farm, shy, teenage boy. Nereel told Peter at the time that she and her friend wanted to "create new life". Peter replied that, "Your ways... they are not mine!" or words to that effect. They ended up having their threesome anyway.

I don't care what your background is, unless you are gay, or a very strong willed Christian, you will not turn down two chicks wanting to have sex with you.

His "These are not my ways" is just being shy at first :)

[steve2275]

wasnt that PRE kitty pryde?

[Amokitty]

I object to the callous killing of Peter Jr. because it is out there, in continuity, and I simply don't like the idea of killing comic characters wantonly to clean up a plot mess (that's what took Colossus away from us the first time) and even moreso, I hate the idea of killing kids.

Me too. I wasn't happy when Sammy-Fishboy got ripped apart. However, I think it would take a writer better than either Whedon or Claremont to fix this botched storyline, and somehow I don't see this happening. Down the road, I see it getting more and more convoluted with every writer putting their spin on Peter Jr., and Colossus' involvement (or lack of involvement) with him.

I see your point, in noting that Peter's own death was used to wrap up a plot that got stupid. It's just that as long as the Savage Land kid continues to exist, all he will serve to do is remind everyone what an idiot Peter was.

I also agree that Peter's encounter with Nereel and Shakani was probably a no-strings one, but he said that Nereel's wish to have "new life" wasn't his way of thinking. His desire aside, I'm wondering why he went through with it. Peter never struck me as apathetic, and irresponsible. Most teenage boys aren't ready for fatherhood. Why would Peter chance making them BOTH pregnant? Why, Claremont? Why?!!

I see Peter being a very much hands-on kind of Dad, not an uncaring, unsupportive one.

By the way, I forgot to add Bishop and Cyclops to Claremont's Absentee Fatherhood list (for a total of eight uninvolved X-Dads, so far :eek: ). I know Aliyah doesn't exist yet in 616 continuity, but what matters here, is that Claremont wrote it. I also realize that Slym and Redd raised Nate for 12 yrs., however Claremont didn't write that. He wrote the earlier X-Factor story that had Cyclops send baby Nate into the future with the Askani warrior to be raised by strangers. Cyke speculated whether or not he would ever see his son again; and at the time, the way CC wrote that story, it looked unlikely. Why does Claremont persist in using this theme on his characters?

There are so many ideas of Claremont's that I like and respect, it makes it hard to be a fan when he writes contrived OOC nonsense like Peter's Savage Land encounter and it's repercussions.

I just don't see anybody that's going to come in and write Peter & Peter Jr. out of the box that they're in. Getting rid of little Pete would be a quick, simple - tho' not IDEAL fix, for an extremely thorny problem. Vaya con Dios, kiddo!

Lastly, I see this story being used after Whedon's Astonishing run by another writer to possibly break Peter and Kitty up. Happiness seems to never last in the MU unfortunately, but I'd like to see those two last. They deserve it.

[Tag06]

I want Peter to move back to the Savage Lands an marry Nereel and raise Peter jr. Or Peter jr will learn of his father and come stay with him at the mansion and Kitty will become upset and leave forever!!! :D

[Gaveedra 6]

Peter's encounter with the two Fall women was completely believable and sexy. He was a stranger in a strange land, set upon by two powerful, beautiful women. Anyone thinking it would have been more in-character for him to have shrugged off their advances is probably thinking of Ultimate Colossus.

I was under the impression that in the adventure where Colossus saw Peter Jr, the Fall people had been spending time in some sort of time warp. It'd only been a short time since he'd seen Nereel, but there was a kid who was considerably older. Maybe that is why he didn't put 2 and 2 together? I dunno. I guess it was really dense...

[fishtaco]

wasnt that PRE kitty pryde?Yes, it was. :)

[TinMan]

Why would Peter chance making them BOTH pregnant? Why, Claremont? Why?!!

Guilt free ass? I mean what 19 year old virgin with raging hormones is gonna turn down two gorgeous broads rubbin up on his junk while wearing nothing but a friggin loincloth? Not to mention the fact that he lives, what, like 5000 miles away? Thats the ultimate one night stand, two chicks you never have to see again! :p

Why does Claremont persist in using this theme on his characters?

Because he's obviously a FemiNazi. Just look at all of the implications, all of his female characters are brilliant, strong, and at least portrayed as bisexual if not gayer than a three dollar bill. Then he turns around and writes most of his men as nothing but low IQ'd, grunting apes, just there to take orders from the freakin women. That man was an acid trippin, pot smokin, coke snortin, bixsexual hippy, I tellz ya! :D

[colossus34]

Because he's obviously a FemiNazi. Just look at all of the implications, all of his female characters are brilliant, strong, and at least portrayed as bisexual if not gayer than a three dollar bill. Then he turns around and writes most of his men as nothing but low IQ'd, grunting apes, just there to take orders from the freakin women. That man was an acid trippin, pot smokin, coke snortin, bixsexual hippy, I tellz ya! :D

Cound't have said it better myself! :D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The story has been fairly good so far, in my opinion. But I have a bad feeling it's just going to fall apart at the end and not serve any sort of purpose at all. I'll be pleasently suprised if it does offer something in the end, given that most minis fall flat in that area. It's nice to see Mikhail and Sinister again. Sinister isn't normally someone foolish enough to actually allow himself to get choked by someone, but it seems to be playing into his schemes so I'll allow it. :)

I'm with Beast on this one. It's the fact than nothing has really progressed in two issues, and that worries me slightly...

My main annoyance right from the off with this series is the fact that Grigory rasputin WAS a real person.

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/07_03/images/rasputin.a%5b1%5d.jpg

And to try and claim that Colossus is related to him , now, just seems daft.

But I do actually quite like this min as it does appear to contain some actual character development.