Why didn't Anakin get a Grievous cyborg body?

[colossus34]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:

[ChaosBurnFlame]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:
Movie Grevious had none of those... all he had was the ability to suck and die like a chump.

[JCAll]

Movie Grevious had none of those... all he had was the ability to suck and die like a chump.

That's the same thing a lot of people say about Darth Maul.

....and it's all true.

[Uratoh]

Why not? Because it'd contradict A New Hope.

[Donald Stone]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:Because their was a lot more of Anakin then there was of Grevious.

Grevious was a heart, a lung and a brain. Anakin was a torso, a head, and about half of each limb.

[colossus34]

Movie Grevious had none of those... all he had was the ability to suck and die like a chump.

Movie Grievious still moved like a spider, had extra limbs, was incredibly agile and had grappling claws. My point is if the technology existed at the time of the prequels to give Anakin a more superior cyberonetic body then why didn't he design it?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Because their was a lot more of Anakin then there was of Grevious.

Grevious was a heart, a lung and a brain. Anakin was a torso, a head, and about half of each limb.
Grevious also had A bunch of suck.

[Caswin]

Grevious also had A bunch of suck.Was that what allowed him to beat Obi-Wan Kenobi in unarmed combat?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Movie Grievious still moved like a spider, had extra limbs, was incredibly agile and had grappling claws. My point is if the technology existed at the time of the prequels to give Anakin a more superior cyberonetic body then why didn't he design it?


Movie Grevious TRIED to look as threatening as possible and started the 'pinwheel of death' manuver, then Obi Wan... coming off the screaming giant iguana(which he used for stealth, UGH!) sliced Grevious's limbs off, then Grevious turned tail and ran. Obi Wan caught up, got disarmed, Obi Wan using just his bare hands, tore open Grevious's chest plating(WEAK man, WEAK!) and shot a blaster into his open heart.

[DarthZork]

I think Palpy, being the evil SOB he is, wanted to keep Anakin tortured, yet alive. Anyway, if he's in a Grevious-type body, he probably wouldn't be able to use the Force as well as he could as Vader (in the suit).

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Was that what allowed him to beat Obi-Wan Kenobi in unarmed combat?

No, taht's what allowed a bare handed Obi Wan to peel open his chest plating like it was a can of SPAM.

[Caswin]

No, taht's what allowed a bare handed Obi Wan to peel open his chest plating like it was a can of SPAM.He was actually struggling, IIRC. And keep in mind this is also the man who could hurt a fully-armored Jango Fett by punching him.

[Radical]

:confused: Did you two see the same movie?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

He was actually struggling, IIRC. And keep in mind this is also the man who could hurt a fully-armored Jango Fett by punching him.
Oh great... now people are going to claim jedis have superhuman strength :Rollseyes:

[raoulduke]

Grevious also had A bunch of suck.

http://www.photospin.com/content/photos/full/0430011.jpg

[ChaosBurnFlame]

http://www.photospin.com/content/photos/full/0430011.jpg
The guy's chest armor was PEELED OPEN by Obi Wan using just his hands! C'mon man!

[JCAll]

No, taht's what allowed a bare handed Obi Wan to peel open his chest plating like it was a can of SPAM.

I'm beginning to detect a hint of detest towards Grevous....

[colossus34]

Because their was a lot more of Anakin then there was of Grevious.

Grevious was a heart, a lung and a brain. Anakin was a torso, a head, and about half of each limb.


That still doesn't explain why if the technolgy exists to give someone the lower body and mechanical legs(so you get enchanced agilty, speed, jumping power) or the slashing CLAWS of Grievous that Vader get's stuck with second rate gear....

Even if Paply wanted to give him second best, c'mon this is Anakin the guy who redesigns the TIE fighter and was considered a techno genious!

[raoulduke]

The guy's chest armor was PEELED OPEN by Obi Wan using just his hands! C'mon man!

When's the greatest hits album coming?

I can't wait for the acoustic version of "Double-bladed Lightsabers suck (And that TT Robin sure is one dumb psycho)".

[ChaosBurnFlame]

I'm beginning to detect a hint of detest towards Grevous....

I'm a bit more upset that a character that was shown to be so ruthless in Clone Wars was killed like a chump in Revenge of the S*it.

[Caswin]

Oh great... now people are going to claim jedis have superhuman strength :Rollseyes:If only by bolstering their regular attacks with telekinesis. I don't see why that wouldn't work in Obi-Wan's fights with armored/technological opponents.

[colossus34]

I'm a bit more upset that a character that was shown to be so ruthless in Clone Wars was killed like a chump in Revenge of the S*it.

That's fine and dandy but what does that have to do with the topic? Grioevous still has much more enchanced body/cybernetic body than Vader did?

[raoulduke]

That's fine and dandy but what does that have to do with the topic? Grioevous still has much more enchanced body/cybernetic body than Vader did?

And your proof of this is what? The non-canon Clone Wars cartoon?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

That's fine and dandy but what does that have to do with the topic? Grioevous still has much more enchanced body/cybernetic body than Vader did?

With his vital organ protected by less armor than you'd use to protect a can of soup on a trip to the supermarket.

[Donald Stone]

That still doesn't explain why if the technolgy exists to give someone the lower body and mechanical legs(so you get enchanced agilty, speed, jumping power) or the slashing CLAWS of Grievous that Vader get's stuck with second rate gear....
!Grevious only had those things because his body was entirely mechanical. Attaching legs that move as fast as Grevious could to fleshy parts is gonna get really messy really fast.

[colossus34]

And your proof of this is what? The non-canon Clone Wars cartoon?

Never seen the cartoon. Basing it off the movies where Grievous cybernetic body gives him added agility, weapons, grappling claws, enhanced speed, extra limbs.

My point is if the technology existed at the time of the prequels to give Anakin a more superior cyberonetic body then why didn't he design it? Feels like massive PIS.

[raoulduke]

With his vital organ protected by less armor than you'd use to protect a can of soup on a trip to the supermarket.

And yet he's okay when exposed the the harsh environment of space.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

And yet he's okay when exposed the the harsh environment of space.
They have sound in space too ya know :)

EDIT: That is to say you can give limited protection to a person in space using something as simple as a plastic bag.

[raoulduke]

Never seen the cartoon. Basing it off the movies where Grievous cybernetic body gives him added agility, weapons, grappling claws, enhanced speed, extra limbs.

My point is if the technology existed at the time of the prequels to give Anakin a more superior cyberonetic body then why didn't he design it? Feels like massive PIS.

We see Darth Vader have agility. And weapons? He has a lightsaber. As for extra limbs? Who needs them?

[Alan2099]

Vader wanted to keep the humanity he had left, it seemed. Givign him extra limbs and claws, and all that would only serve to make him less and less human.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

and make him a random target of jedis riding giant squealing iguanas.

[colossus34]

Grevious only had those things because his body was entirely mechanical. Attaching legs that move as fast as Grevious could to fleshy parts is gonna get really messy really fast.

That's understandable but its hard to believe that in the next 20yrs between ROS and New Hope that Vader doesn't consider giving himself a hand that opens up and turns into a grappling Claw or other enhancments over the years. That's of course if the technology exits...I always assumed it didn't but since Lucas created the character of Grievous than its obvious it does exist.

[Caswin]

Vader wanted to keep the humanity he had left, it seemed. Givign him extra limbs and claws, and all that would only serve to make him less and less human....I think that might actually be it. Good call.

[Marcus Antonius]

Movie Grevious TRIED to look as threatening as possible and started the 'pinwheel of death' manuver, then Obi Wan... coming off the screaming giant iguana(which he used for stealth, UGH!) sliced Grevious's limbs off, then Grevious turned tail and ran. Obi Wan caught up, got disarmed, Obi Wan using just his bare hands, tore open Grevious's chest plating(WEAK man, WEAK!) and shot a blaster into his open heart.

I think that the "screaming giant iguana" was the same creature whose voice Obi Wan imitated to scare off the sand people in Episode IV. In hindsight, I'm not sure why the sand pleople left.

Anyway, My guess is that there's two parts to the decision:

1. Grevious had a mind capable of fully using his wierd cyborg body; Vader was used to having regular legs and arms, and would have had a hard time adjusting to a different "setup."

2. A humanoid body is better designed for using the force, fighting with lightsabres, and commanding Imperial Units. Sure, Grevious was great for leading armies of robot soldiers, but the Empire is trying to hold itself out as a legitimate government worthy of its officers' allegiance -- which would probably be harder to do if one of its top agents looked like a monster.

[Sabrinaset]

If you watched the extra features on the second Star Wars DVD, you'll see that there was a scene which was cut from the final take in which the Grievous limbs were attached to Anakins body, however they were rejected because they could not easily adapt to the whiny Anakin angst, and were subsequently ordered removed by Palpatine.

[BitVyper]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:

Even if he could have gotten all the enhancements, he would have lost so many more midichlorians (Grievous was a couple organs and a brain), I don't think he would have been considered force sensitive anymore.

[Marcus Antonius]

Even if he could have gotten all the enhancements, he would have lost so many more midichlorians (Grievous was a couple organs and a brain), I don't think he would have been considered force sensitive anymore.

Now that you mention it, maybe the Emperor should instead have surgically attached the severed arms and legs of some of the jedi masters to Anakin. After all, those things must be chock full of midichlorians.

[colossus34]

1. Grevious had a mind capable of fully using his wierd cyborg body; Vader was used to having regular legs and arms, and would have had a hard time adjusting to a different "setup."

2. A humanoid body is better designed for using the force, fighting with lightsabres, and commanding Imperial Units. Sure, Grevious was great for leading armies of robot soldiers, but the Empire is trying to hold itself out as a legitimate government worthy of its officers' allegiance -- which would probably be harder to do if one of its top agents looked like a monster.

Either of those could be a possible explanations, but I find it hard to beleive "the chosen one" who at like age 9 was the only human to ever pilot a complex pod racer can't handle a couple extra arms.

Regardless, I like Alan2099's explanation the best--that Vader CHOSE not to become even more cybernetic becuse although he doubted it he still had a part of the humanity in him and it would take Luke to help redem him.

[DarthZork]

If you watched the extra features on the second Star Wars DVD, you'll see that there was a scene which was cut from the final take in which the Grievous limbs were attached to Anakins body, however they were rejected because they could not easily adapt to the whiny Anakin angst, and were subsequently ordered removed by Palpatine.
Where was this?

[MKTerra]

Now that you mention it, maybe the Emperor should instead have surgically attached the severed arms and legs of some of the jedi masters to Anakin. After all, those things must be chock full of midichlorians.Darth Frankenstein :D

[StoneGold]

Ahem...


Force don't work without genitalia, no matter how crispy.


The end.


But seriously, chalk it up to it would have further inhibited his Force abilities.

[Marcus Antonius]

Darth Frankenstein :D

They could make a special movie called Star Wars Episode 3.5, in which they bring Amidala back to life as the bride of Darth Frankenstein. :)

[Jared_Humpherys]

There is actually a reason stated in the novel Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader, that takes place right after ROTS. The reason? Retarded Med droids.


Seriously.

Later on, Vader worked on himself with help from some other bots, and improved on the shoddy job they had done on his body. However, since his appearance was then already so well known, he decided to keep the humanoid design.

[The MunchKING]

I think that the "screaming giant iguana" was the same creature whose voice Obi Wan imitated to scare off the sand people in Episode IV. In hindsight, I'm not sure why the sand pleople left.

Nah it was supposed to be a kyrat Dragon.

Anyway, My guess is that there's two parts to the decision:

1. Grevious had a mind capable of fully using his wierd cyborg body; Vader was used to having regular legs and arms, and would have had a hard time adjusting to a different "setup."

2. A humanoid body is better designed for using the force, fighting with lightsabres, and commanding Imperial Units. Sure, Grevious was great for leading armies of robot soldiers, but the Empire is trying to hold itself out as a legitimate government worthy of its officers' allegiance -- which would probably be harder to do if one of its top agents looked like a monster.


Point that.

[Marcus Antonius]

Nah it was supposed to be a kyrat Dragon.


I'm wrong, then; the only reason I thought that Obi Wan was imitating the Iguana was that the sound of his "shriek" was similar to the sound the Iguana made while it galloped through the enemy base. And I figured, hey, large lizards are sometimes called "dragons," right? Maybe this is where Obi Wan heard that cry.

[Fallman]

Stupid question, I'm sure, but how do Midiclorians interact with the Force? Everything in the OT says and a good chunk of the stuff in the PT iimplies that the Force is an external energy force, and only the mind controls/connects to it.

I always thought that the midis were just little parasitie things that were attracted to the presence of one with a strong connection with the force, and nothing in any of the movies contradicted this, but then I came round here and everyone started saying that midiclorians were responsible for Force powers, which is flat out contradicted by Yoda's speach from ESB. Was there anything in the canon to suggest/say that the Force originates from Midiclorians?

Incidently, when the two Trilogies contradict each other, I tend to go with the OT's explaination.

[Sabrinaset]

Where was this?

It was a joke. I thought the Anakin Angst was a giveaway.

On a related subject, I've been collecting these midichloridians from patients at the hospital for some time now and injecting them into my body. No Force powers yet, but I'm definitely headed towards the dark side! :)

[ChaosBurnFlame]

It was a joke. I thought the Anakin Angst was a giveaway.

On a related subject, I've been collecting these midichloridians from patients at the hospital for some time now and injecting them into my body. No Force powers yet, but I'm definitely headed towards the dark side! :)
This WAS addressed.... Wedge Antillies required a blood transfusion due to an injury from the first Death Star's run... he got one from Luke. He thought that'd give him force powers, it didn't.

[Fallman]

So... Going by EU, Midis don't give Force powers, therefore Vader didn't lose Force powers from the multi-amputation.

[Black Atom]

You guys are seriously over-estimating George Lucas' story-telling ability to think there's a good answer to this question. Vader doesn't look like Grievous because the character appeared on-screen before Lucas could wank himself off with ridiculously over-designed CG characters. But he may replace him with a cyborg-spider in special special special edition.

And the midichlorians idea flies right in the face of Yoda saying the human body is just so much "crude matter". That you'd lose your connection to the force because most of your midichlorians are reproducing at the bottom of a lava pool is...stupid.

[Titan Gojira]

Now that you mention it, maybe the Emperor should instead have surgically attached the severed arms and legs of some of the jedi masters to Anakin. After all, those things must be chock full of midichlorians.

I've often wondered why Palpatine just didn't take what was left of Anakin to Kamino and get himself a brand new Chosen One, one that would've been as compliant as the Clone Troopers.

[jadehorde]

So... Going by EU, Midis don't give Force powers, therefore Vader didn't lose Force powers from the multi-amputation.


He still might have given Ben's "more machine than man" deal. It might not directly be tied to loss of Midichlorians, but he still might have lost his connection to it due to the massive trauma his body endured.

At the least, it might simply be that the prosthetics get in the way of the full control needed, kinda like a modern day prostheses, or maybe like a thick heavy duty glove prevents fine motor control.

[jadehorde]

Stupid question, I'm sure, but how do Midiclorians interact with the Force? Everything in the OT says and a good chunk of the stuff in the PT iimplies that the Force is an external energy force, and only the mind controls/connects to it.

I always thought that the midis were just little parasitie things that were attracted to the presence of one with a strong connection with the force, and nothing in any of the movies contradicted this, but then I came round here and everyone started saying that midiclorians were responsible for Force powers, which is flat out contradicted by Yoda's speach from ESB. Was there anything in the canon to suggest/say that the Force originates from Midiclorians?

Incidently, when the two Trilogies contradict each other, I tend to go with the OT's explaination.

I would think they would at least be comensal if not benevolently symbiotic...why the hell would an advanced society allow regular infestation with parasites?

[mgs]

And your proof of this is what? The non-canon Clone Wars cartoon?
I think I read somewhere that the cartoon actually IS canon, and that the reason why Greivous was beaten in the movie (admit, I did not see it), but if you saw the last time he was on the clone wars cartoon, he was very badly damaged by a force attack that left his mechanical 'shell' practically crushed.

I heard that the movie picked up where the toon left off, in this respect.

[cactusmaac]

Stupid question, I'm sure, but how do Midiclorians interact with the Force? Everything in the OT says and a good chunk of the stuff in the PT iimplies that the Force is an external energy force, and only the mind controls/connects to it.

I always thought that the midis were just little parasitie things that were attracted to the presence of one with a strong connection with the force, and nothing in any of the movies contradicted this, but then I came round here and everyone started saying that midiclorians were responsible for Force powers, which is flat out contradicted by Yoda's speach from ESB. Was there anything in the canon to suggest/say that the Force originates from Midiclorians?

Incidently, when the two Trilogies contradict each other, I tend to go with the OT's explaination.

They're like super-mitochondria. They're responsible for determining how well-connected a being is with the Force.

I don't see anything in Yoda's ESB speech that contradicts their existence.

[Shinuzzo]

This WAS addressed.... Wedge Antillies required a blood transfusion due to an injury from the first Death Star's run... he got one from Luke. He thought that'd give him force powers, it didn't.

I wonder if it would have any effect on some who's force-sensitive?

[Shinuzzo]

He still might have given Ben's "more machine than man" deal. It might not directly be tied to loss of Midichlorians, but he still might have lost his connection to it due to the massive trauma his body endured.

At the least, it might simply be that the prosthetics get in the way of the full control needed, kinda like a modern day prostheses, or maybe like a thick heavy duty glove prevents fine motor control.

Makes sense since armor seems to get in the way of using certain force powers in Knights of the Old Republic.

[cactusmaac]

I've often wondered why Palpatine just didn't take what was left of Anakin to Kamino and get himself a brand new Chosen One, one that would've been as compliant as the Clone Troopers.

Palpatine wanted someone who would succeed him as Sith Master.

A weak-minded, compliant Apprentice would have been of no use.

[Ian J.N.]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:
You might just as well ask why the Jedi didn't use blasters, or why martial artists don't carry handguns—that's not how they operate. It's not their philosophy.

Further reasons:
- Even without enhancements, he's an unbeatable opponent. Those who would pose a threat (the Jedi) are dead.
- Prefers a more subtle, and direct display of power (choking, usually). Even in his duels, he kept both feet on the ground: no fancy Force flips, or jumps.
- He's a commanding officer, not a frontline soldier. An extra grappling hook isn't going to win the war.
- Resents losing his humanity. Turning himself into Inspector Gadget would just be salt on the wound.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

I'm enjoying all these wild theories. ;)

Good topic question. I personally can't come up with a reasonable explanation for the technology gap, so here's one more to add to the ever growing list of SW contradictions.

I can say, though, that they explained away the animated series by saying what we saw was a Holonet recreation of those events, not exactly the events themselves. I think the kid from the Mace Windu episode of the first season supposedly cataloged the events, and added a little hyperbole as well.

Palpatine wanted someone who would succeed him as Sith Master.

A weak-minded, compliant Apprentice would have been of no use.

That's debatable. It's more likely that Palpatine only wanted to use Anakin to help him maintain his grip on the galaxy. I'm sure that he, unlike his master, slept with at least one eye open.

[Jared]

I hadn't realized that CBF is as fanatical about hating Grevious as he is Darth Maul, and thus has to beat everyone over the head with it.

Haven't As was mentioned before, in-universe, it was probably a combination of factors... (some covered already)

1) There's alot more of Anakin's body left. Discarding even more of it might further cut down his ability to use the Force, which is much more important for a Sith Apprentice than whether he's got triple-jointed limbs and a revolving torso. Also, Grevious's brain was augmented by a computer implants, which may have made it easier for him to control all the extra functions of his new body.

2) According to Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, when he's first in the suit, it's rather shoddily built. So much so that Anakin wonders if it's meant to keep him down, and he has to improve it himself. (He's still the mechanical wiz, after all).

3) I suspect that Vader wouldnt' actually want to a body like Grevious's, even if he could make it himself, because he would literally feel even less human.

4) We know the suit does have enhancements. Though certainly not as dexterous, the Vader suit might be comparable to Grevious's body in strength and durability. At the very least we know he's strong enough to toss Captain Antilles like a rag doll with one arm after breaking his neck. I believe he also has extra vision modes, like infra-red.

5) Remember that stuff in the Clone Wars mircoseries is exaggerated. Grevious and the Jedi, in "reality" aren't as uberpowerful as they seem there. If the same people put Vader in a cartoon, he'd probably be making 3 mile leaps and crushing armies with telekenisis.

[Jared]

I think that the "screaming giant iguana" was the same creature whose voice Obi Wan imitated to scare off the sand people in Episode IV. In hindsight, I'm not sure why the sand pleople left..

I think Obi Wan imitated a Krayt Dragon to scare the sand people. They live on Tattooine, and one of there skeletons is visible earlier in the movie when R2 and 3PO are wondering the desert. I can't remember the name of the creature Obi Wan rode in EP III, but I'm (almost) sure it wan't a Krayt.

[Jared]

I've often wondered why Palpatine just didn't take what was left of Anakin to Kamino and get himself a brand new Chosen One, one that would've been as compliant as the Clone Troopers.

1) I think clones of Force users have a tendency towards mental instability.

2) Doing that would mean he'd have an apprenitice more powerful than him really soon. It's one thing for a Sith to train an an apprentice, with the understanding that one day, he'll try to usurp you. But that doesn't mean you make it easy for them. I've read excerpts from "Dark Lord", where Palpatine figures that he'll be able to master the secret of immortaility by the time Vader recovers enough to seriously threaten him.

[Dennis K]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:

Maybe because Grievous was seen as a failure, I mean look at all the time and trouble they went to, and for what? And now I feel like I'm having a conversation straight out of Clerks.

[tricksterpup]

It's obvious the technology existed at the time of the prequels, so why didn't Anakin build a better cybernetic body for himself later on--similiar to Grievous?? You know with the added agility, weapons, claws, and speed of Grievous' mechanical enhancments! :confused:
Cause they didnt have the 6 Million Dollars to rebuild him.
http://www.nonsporttradingcards.com/Merchant2/NSTC/images/header/6MILMANTitle.gif

[Jared]

Stupid question, I'm sure, but how do Midiclorians interact with the Force? Everything in the OT says and a good chunk of the stuff in the PT iimplies that the Force is an external energy force, and only the mind controls/connects to it.

I always thought that the midis were just little parasitie things that were attracted to the presence of one with a strong connection with the force, and nothing in any of the movies contradicted this, but then I came round here and everyone started saying that midiclorians were responsible for Force powers, which is flat out contradicted by Yoda's speach from ESB. Was there anything in the canon to suggest/say that the Force originates from Midiclorians?

Incidently, when the two Trilogies contradict each other, I tend to go with the OT's explaination.


One of the Medstar books suggests that there are differing theories of just how the midis relate to Force powers, even within the SW galaxy. IIRC, Some think the Force creates midis as a means of communing with higher lifeforms, others that it's the midis that generate the Force.

In 'Yoda: Dark Rendevous', there's a planet where scientists tried experimenting on midichlorians to make the entire population Force-sensitive, and the result was mass-insanity.

[cactusmaac]

That's debatable. It's more likely that Palpatine only wanted to use Anakin to help him maintain his grip on the galaxy. I'm sure that he, unlike his master, slept with at least one eye open.

Well, he didn't really need Anakin for that. He had other operatives like Tarkin, who could do the job just as well. Plus he says during his duel with Yoda :

DARTH SlDIOUS: You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.

The entire purpose of his conversion of Anakin (and his attempted later tempting of Luke) was to ensure that the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy would be a Sith.

[LordEd1976]

I've often wondered why Palpatine just didn't take what was left of Anakin to Kamino and get himself a brand new Chosen One, one that would've been as compliant as the Clone Troopers.

I believe Kamino was devastated in one of the Clone Wars stoies.

[Greg Hatcher]

I hadn't realized that CBF is as fanatical about hating Grevious as he is Darth Maul, and thus has to beat everyone over the head with it.


Let's confine our comments to the work and not fellow posters.

[Jared]

I believe Kamino was devastated in one of the Clone Wars stoies.

It was attacked, but I think it it was spared truly devestating damage. At least most of the clone production wasn't protected. The "Defense of Kamino" TBP covers it.

Years later, some Kaminoans make their own rebel Clone trooper army, and the 501st Legion is sent in to crush them, with Boba Fett as a hired guide. (From Battlefront II)

[ChaosBurnFlame]

I'm surprised people would act like Obi Wan Kenobi Did NOT peel away Grevious's chest armor with his bare fingers....

Because, quite frankly, it DID happen... which showed Grevious's chest armor ranks somewhere between a soda can and a soup can in strength, even IF we theoretically grant Obi Wan some sort of enhanced strength.

And the entire fight scene with Grevious, the entire POINT seemed to be downgrading a villian that was shown to be calculating and menacing in Clone Wars into a joke that is quickly, and literally, disarmed by Obi Wan, and forced to run away.

People claim Grevious was impressive in the movie... I don't see it. I saw a villian that tried to be menacing, quickly got his limbs chopped off, ran away, and then Obi Wan EASILY peeled away his chest plating like it was tin foil.

That is to say Grevious's cyborg body is incredibly weak, structurally, at least in RoTS.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

Well, he didn't really need Anakin for that. He had other operatives like Tarkin, who could do the job just as well.

Ehh... no.


The entire purpose of his conversion of Anakin (and his attempted later tempting of Luke) was to ensure that the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy would be a Sith.

True, if Sidious' primary goal was to sustain the Sith line in the galaxy (i.e. other than his own), but I think he was more interested in unlimited power, all for himself. We don't know enough about Palpatine to be sure just yet.

[SnowTrooper]

I'm surprised people would act like Obi Wan Kenobi Did NOT peel away Grevious's chest armor with his bare fingers....

Because, quite frankly, it DID happen... which showed Grevious's chest armor ranks somewhere between a soda can and a soup can in strength, even IF we theoretically grant Obi Wan some sort of enhanced strength.

And the entire fight scene with Grevious, the entire POINT seemed to be downgrading a villian that was shown to be calculating and menacing in Clone Wars into a joke that is quickly, and literally, disarmed by Obi Wan, and forced to run away.

People claim Grevious was impressive in the movie... I don't see it. I saw a villian that tried to be menacing, quickly got his limbs chopped off, ran away, and then Obi Wan EASILY peeled away his chest plating like it was tin foil.

That is to say Grevious's cyborg body is incredibly weak, structurally, at least in RoTS.


Greivous' chest plate was weak probably because of his encounter with Mace Windu in The Clone Wars, in which Mace force gripped him and thats the reason for Grevious' cough and hard breathing.

It was rumored that General Greivous was at the time the best close combat fighter in the Universe, mainly because of the four lightsabers, so I think that the point of him getting his arms cut off and him running away was to show how strong Obi-Wan was, not how weak Greivous was.

Greivous ran away because the Clone Troopers showed up, if they hadnt then Obi-Wan would have cut off all of Greivous' arms and then Greivous would just order the droids to kill Obi-Wan.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

All conjecture and speculation, seeing as Grevious's chest armor appeared UNDAMAGED prior to Obi Wan, EASILY, I might add, peeling it apart.

[The Batman]

well given what Mace did to Grievous's chest in the CLone Wars cartoons it's quite possible and very likely that Obi-Wan used to Force to help him open up the chest armour. that or it was loosened up by the Force throw that Obi-Wan gave him earlier in the movie.

Vader's body was more or less prosthetics attatched to what was left of Anakin. had they scrapped his body and just put his brain into a Grievous type body he'd have lost almost all of his ability to use the Force. that and there's also the possibility that a less humanoid body would've only made Anakin's recovery that much more difficult.

besides a Grievous type body wasn't possible in 1977, and that's probably the real reason that Vader's robotic body is the way it is.

[Jared]

Remember that during their fight, Obi Wan hit Grievous with a *massive* Force Push that launched him way up into the air so hard that he dented some metal overhang. That's when Grievous made a run for it in his unicycle. That might have weakened the chest covering, though I have no problem thinking that the Force might have aided Obi Wan in prying it open. He did act like he was putting some effort into it. It's not as if he just tapped him with his finger and the general's vital organ's were exposed.

His armor didn't look all crumpled like it did after Windu crushed his chest at the end of Clone Wars, so I would think he had it reparied by the time he reached Utapau. And it's doubtful the damage was actually as bad-looking as the cartoon depicted.

[Ian J.N.]

All conjecture and speculation, seeing as Grevious's chest armor appeared UNDAMAGED prior to Obi Wan, EASILY, I might add, peeling it apart.
The answer should be obvious: every engineer in the Star Wars universe builds a fatal flaw into their designs. Spiteful bastards.

[Jared]

The answer should be obvious: every engineer in the Star Wars universe builds a fatal flaw into their designs.

And only Han Solo's patented punch-the-console repair technique can overcome them.

[Ontir]

Why? Because in 1976, when the original Star Wars was made, they couldn't do a body like Grevious'. So they put a man in a suit, and we're bound to that continuity.